WFC VIC
Started by unknown · · 434 posts · last reply 2 May 2014
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#301 ·
bottom layer is inverted so to match top layer layout.
Pin3 is going to 2 places
1) bottom layer - (pink) goes to pin8 of nor gate. (ok clear)
2) top layer - (red) goes to POINT-1 then blue wire to 10k resistor of driver circuit.
Pin4 is routed only on the top layer (yellow)
1) goes to first 4017 input pin14 (ok clear) but we do not care of that because it is clear that he is not using the 4017s
2) now look at the red circile, if you look closely there is a faint connection visible to POINT2. this goes to another blue wire that goes to a 22k resistor and a small ceramic capacitor.
Now as for the resistor and capacitor where are they connected to
the other side of the 22k resistor goes to -ve primary
the other side of the capacitor goes to the emiter of Q7 / 470ohm res / 0v
Please note that there is also a tiny red wire connected to the other side of the 22k resistor
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#302 · date not recorded
hydrogenmask,your last picture is wrong.
The tiny red wire goes to the bnc test connector on the front of the panel to view the pulses.
Pin 4 goes to the blue wire which goes to the 10 k resistor,that is the signal "G" input to the Cell Driver Circuit.
Tony,pin 3 of the 4046 goes to the 22k resistor coming from the primary coil
Don
This post has been corrected 3-24-2011 -
#303 ·
This is what I'm seeing in the circuit...is this what you guys are seeing???
(http://www.globalkast.com/images/tonywoodside/PLL&CellDriver.PNG) -
#304 ·
Thanks Tony.
How about the cell driver resistors and transistors?
And how about the capacitor between the primary and the 0v?
I will check this. I will change the values of the pll circuit to this...
I did some tests here, found nothing yet, just blew two snubber capacitors... however for me seems that the variable resistor goes to pin 12 and not 11 cause i tested here and if the r1 is made to vary nothing happens at least here. -
#305 ·
Yes that`s it Tony.
The blue wire overlap was a bit tricky there.
This makes much more sense now!
Please discard my previous posts.
Any ideas of what capacitor values should we use?
HM
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#306 · date not recorded
I've edited your schematic and added the pin numbers.
(http://www.globalkast.com/images/stanmeyer/wo92-6.jpg)
SN74123 would work because pins 1&2 are connected only one "A" input is required and pins 3&4 would be the single "B" input and pin 9 internal resistor is not used here so 74122 is not as good as 74123... -
#307 ·
figure 4 seems to have 4 op amps installed on the VIC CARD instead of 3, that leads me to believe that figure 3 was located elsewhere, on another controller...here is a multisim circuit of whats on the VIC CARD...exactly (almost) like the circuit on FIGURE 4 sheet.
figure 4 vic card photo.ms11
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#308 ·
Hi ali,
can you please post the file in multisim version 10 format ?
hm -
#309 · date not recorded
Hi ali,
can you please post the file in multisim version 10 format ?
hm
Dont have the capability as im using the evaluation version, student edition ms11
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#310 ·
well my wire came in today so I successfully wrapped one choke by hand and it took me about 3 hrs to do...very tiring to do lol...but its with in range of Don's resistance measurements. It's 3,000 wraps and has a resistance of 75.5 Ohms. I compared it to Stan's VIC and it matches up perfect in size. Here's a picture of it.
(http://www.globalkast.com/images/tonywoodside/My_VIC_1-2.jpg) -
#311 ·
HI Tony
You can use hand drill to wrap the coils. Simply attach your bobbin in head drill and run drill by hand.
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#312 · date not recorded
well my wire came in today so I successfully wrapped one choke by hand and it took me about 3 hrs to do...very tiring to do lol...but its with in range of Don's resistance measurements. It's 3,000 wraps and has a resistance of 75.5 Ohms. I compared it to Stan's VIC and it matches up perfect in size. Here's a picture of it.
(http://www.globalkast.com/images/tonywoodside/My_VIC_1-2.jpg)
Its one the the jobs i hate to do as well......
Looks good!
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#313 · date not recorded
hey tony look great! here is a tip, i wound on the 30 gage wire, at the end i soldiered on an 18 gage wire and then wrapped the 18 gage wire around 1-2 turns and taped it down securely, the 18 gage wire is easy to handle outside of the coil for making connections -
#314 · date not recorded
Hi everyone. Sorry to jump in late in the game, I've been looking for everyone at Waterfuelcell.org, guess I was at the wrong site. Seems like all the action is giong on here.
The VIC card has several different circuits as mentioned earlier. Page 3-30, figure 3-5 in the TB shows the VIC card, labeled Card L2 and the different circuits which are on that card.
I think the electrostatic filter is being overlooked here. We know the water capacitor exhibits leakage which is dependant on the water's purity. I have a picture of Stan's buggy with the WFC setup where he labeled all the components, including the electrostatic filter. It is also mentioned in the Tech Breif. Furthermore, JL naudin states on his WFC replication page that his replication only worked with distilled water, which I think is because he had such a low current to charge the cap the leakage prevented it from charging when he used tap water.
Don,
I have seen the pictures of the WFC and Water Capacitor...Does the delrin sleeve completly cover the outer tube?
Does anyone have the primary inductance measurements of the VIC? ,And know what Fres is? I thought I read earlier that the VIC Fres was 10kHz??? Looking at the size of the core it seems like the VA rating is probably quite low... -
#315 · date not recorded
Heres the finished product, looks almost like Stan's VIC.
(http://www.globalkast.com/images/tonywoodside/5VIC_F4.jpg)
(http://www.globalkast.com/images/tonywoodside/5VIC_F5.jpg) -
#316 ·
Tony, Awesome replication.
What did the inductance of each coil come out to be?
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#317 ·
Primary : 450 turns, 10?, Air Inductance 1.43mH, Core Inductance 8.01mH
Feedback : 450 turns, 10?, Air Inductance 2.98mH, Core Inductance 10.4mH
Secondary : 3000 turns, 78.2?, Air Inductance 87.2mH, Core Inductance 358mH
L1 : 3000 turns, 75.9?, Air Inductance 83.1mH, Core Inductance 359mH
L2 : 3000 turns, 76.9?, Air Inductance 85.5mH, Core Inductance 359mH
So the secondary side total inductance is 1076mH
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#318 · date not recorded
Primary : 450 turns, 10?, Air Inductance 1.43mH, Core Inductance 8.01mH
Feedback : 450 turns, 10?, Air Inductance 2.98mH, Core Inductance 10.4mH
Secondary : 3000 turns, 78.2?, Air Inductance 87.2mH, Core Inductance 358mH
L1 : 3000 turns, 75.9?, Air Inductance 83.1mH, Core Inductance 359mH
L2 : 3000 turns, 76.9?, Air Inductance 85.5mH, Core Inductance 359mH
So the secondary side total inductance is 1076mH
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#319 · date not recorded
Tony you shouldn't think about total inductance exclusively (and not all coils fields aiding), you want to make the "secondary" inductance to be exactly the same of the chokes but maybe a bit smaller (probably because of the coupling, so you can have exactly the same voltage in the tuned and the secondary inductances, the tx4 must exactly cancel out the tx5 coil but there will be a minimum inductance, this becomes part of the secondary inductance, so must be taken in count. So basically the tx5 coil must have the same inductance of all the coils with the canceling coils connected all in series. Makes lot of sense for me.
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#320 · date not recorded
sebosfato,
I have been reading over your most recent posts and
It seems like we have come to the same conclusion as
To how the vic works. Have you had a successful replication? -
#321 ·
Today i matched the inductances the way i proposed and i got very very high voltage potentials, but not much gas, however you must know that is very very pure water about 3kohms resistance... if i pull any of the connections there is an arc very very hot arc it can make things red in seconds... I think that my coils inductances are too small so i'm designing a bigger one. I bought a sheet of nylon 0,6mm thickness, to make the bobbins, i will get some help from a machinist in the university that will cut the thing for me. Than i'm going to wind more and more wire.
I'm going to try with the other vic i have here with the closed loop core, and try to compare see what is happening.
Man the vic in the end must match the electrical resonance to be able to have 0 volts amper in the water, there is only fields.
Maybe my tubes are too big... If i had some money i would buy some more plastics to make the cell more a resonant cavity like proposed. Here i have a water bath.
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#322 ·
Does anyone have a schematic with component values for the resonant scanning cirucit. I'm trying it on multisim 11 (student version) and it's not working. All I'm getting is a constant frequency output from the 4066? -
#323 ·
HMS,
Here is what I have, I am unsure if it is the final version or not...
I have just begun construction - parts are enroute.
(Diagram originally from Tony)
Resonant Scanning Circuit.pdf
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#324 · date not recorded
how bout at ther voltage ampltude control circuit... is its values floatin round somewer? -
#325 · date not recorded
Sorry, I just have the original patent diagram without values.
I'm still working on that one, and would also be interested in values myself