Dynodon

Russ Gries just told me the other day that he knows someone printing them.Try his web site.
Don

All the VIC coils for the resonant cavity were copper wire.There was stainless wire there,but I never seen any coils made with it.
The core material looked like ferrite,but may have been iron.Don't know for sure.I think that it was a ferrite type,but can't be totally sure.Iron looks like ferrite too.
Don

I'm not asking about the specs of diodes,but the operation of the diodes.I know what my diodes are,and the mur1550 or 1560's won't work at the frequecies I'm running.Any of the diodes I've tried just don't seem to be doing anything.If I take the diode out, it will still produce the exact same signals when in resonance.They just do't block the way Stan says.

My set up is using so little power,that I don't think that there is any current going through the coils that can turn on the diodes to make it block.

Understand what I'm saying?
Don

If my memory serves me,it would take on average .7 volts for the diode to let voltage through,or more than that amount.
But I'm pretty sure that diodes are current limiting only in one direction and not voltage.
I may be wrong
Don

Tony,if you got that core from John,I thought it looked familiar,I made those cores.That metal was some material I bought,and a few people here bought some.I spent alot of time making 4 sets of them.Hope it works out for your testing.
Don

the nuts on the side of the cell would have been for the water level sensing.
Don

I just figured that Stan may have wanted to have a couple of extra outputs for future use.There was alot of changes made to alot of the boards,probably trying to make it work correctly.
 
Remember Stan didn't make those boards,his brother Stephen did,he had an electronics business.
 
Don

The negative tube is not a tube but a solid rod with the top and bottom drilled part way.It is solid in the center.water can't pass through the ceter.
Don

Everyone that ordered a dvd,did you receive the excel spreadsheet I tried to email everyone?It may need to be explained,it's alot of info.There is 4 pages to it,just look at the tabs at the bottom.
Don

Well this is going better than I had hoped.I thought that it might have taken longer.Right now I have 8 people lined up,just need 2 more.If we get them this weekend i could be sending them out as soon as monday.
 
Once I have the first 10 locked in,I will need to know what type of media you would like.I may just use the DVD's and USB memory sticks.These will be Windows compatable,sorry I don't have access to Mac.They are the same as the pictures I've already posted here.
Thanks everyone so far
Don

Ali,how can the primary coil, which is alot smaller, be the same inductance as the other coils on the same core?
It can't.
But you can adjust the size of the coil to have a match in resonance frequencies.
 
Example: 1KHZ, 2KHZ, 4KHZ, 8KHZ, 16KHZ
 
Don

Newguy, Q4 is a 2N3055 and Q5 is a TIP120.
 
Outlawstc,that wire comes from pin 3 of the PLL and the connection going to the tab at the base of the card doesn't hook to anything,it dead ends there.So it doesn't matter whare it goes.
 
Don
 

So did the outer tube slide into another delrin sleeve to completly cover it?

What do you think the base is made of ?
Don

Ali,
I don't have the copy of that simulator,so I haven't tried to run them.I don't care to either.I was able to test that original circuit,and it worked just fine.
 
The frequency generator should go to 40khz out of the 555 before going into the 4017.
Any duty cycle into those 4017 chips will always come out at 50% duty cycle.That's what they do along with the devide by function.
 
Don

I don't think you understand this whole process.The gasses won't even start to flow until this resonance of the water is hit.The high voltage alone will not produce any gas until it is pulsed to match the resonance of the water in the cell.You won't even have gas flowing until resonance.
Don

I'm not sure how we will be able to find this one frequency.My guess based on the range of the frequency generator it won't be very high.
 
I also looked at the frequency for the wave length of our tube gap,and it would be very high.Way higher than the generator could produce.But I don't think it has anything to do with the speed of sound between the tubes.We're not looking for the wave length for sound but more the action of the water to stretch and relax from the forces applied by voltage.So it's more of a rubber band effect of the water to get it into a resonance action.We're not trying to move the water from one tube to the other and back,but more towards each tube at the same time.
 
Stretch, release, wait for the water to come back and than catch it when it bounces back out and hit it again to stretch it some more.Timed pulses to syncronize with the waters action of stretching and relaxing.This action I feel would be at a much lower frequency,mabe due to the viscosity of the water.
Don

Tony,you now understand.
 
LC resonance makes the voltage
 
Gating tunes into the waters resonance between the tubes,you can't make a circuit to find that type of resonance,so you tune it manually.
 
Don

the gating is applying these current restricted voltage pulses to the cell at a frequency to match the water movement between the plates

Donald you just said the magic words right there.
 
This is how Stan does it.
First we find LC Resonance with the PLL to lock onto and hold.This creates the high voltage that Stan talks about that is needed.
Then we take the high voltage and use the gating frequency to tune into the WATERS MECHANICAL RESONANCE !!!
The Gating Frequency is used to tune into the water that is between the tubes and make it resonate !!!
We are turning on and off the high voltage with the gating frequency to match the waters resonance between the tubes.
This is the mechanical resonance of the water,not LC resonance !!
Then we can use the duty cycle on the gating to control the gas production.
 
Once the mechanical resonance is set,you shouldn't need to change the frequency of the gating signal.It won't change once found.
 
Can we all see it now?
 
It's that simple and Stan has that in his papers.
Don
 

Donald, you just hit on it!! Do you know what it is you just said? Forget about the 94 second statement,that doesn't matter.
 

when you match the pulses to the movement of the particles between the plates to match their motion,

What does that mean?
 
So what would you use the gating frequency for?
Don

outlawstc,your getting closer,just follow through with your last line,better discription of how to do it.
Don