VIC Discusion
Started by unknown · · 51 posts · last reply 28 November 2010
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#1 ·
Hey everyone.
Judging on how Stanley Meyer that went on using water for fuel I feel like the most important part of his discovery was the VIC. Because of VIC it can also be translated to the gas and ambient air processor in turn lead into the hydrogen fracturing process. Actually the VIC is used in about everything.
I have tried to see how voltage will go to inifinity but this only works without the diode. Can someone collaborate on this? What is know is that in the circuit simulation for a series LC circuit the use of an alternating source at resonant frequency will allow voltage go to infinity.
A theory that I have from Stan is that the capacitor needs a negative pulse and also a positive pulse at the same time to split the water molecule. A example would be to start out with +10 volts pulsed and also -10 volts pulsed across the capacitor, which results in a total difference of 20 volts. If this would have the resonant effect for the positive side and also the resonant effect for the negative side, both sides would go to infinity depending on components.
Would this be the same as just starting with a +20 volts on the positive side while the negative side starts out at 0 volts while it never increase? Only the positive side will resonant to infinity?
The Sync-pulse circuit to what I believe clearly demonstrates this. The diagram is below.
Another question did Stan simplify the VIC circuit from the Sync-Pulse or is just the simple VIC representation the beginning circuit that later transitioned to the Sync-pulse?? The VIC diagram is below.
I know this is the same potential difference across the WFC but looked at a different way.
I have read so much on many forums without any luck.
attachment_6196 attachment_6198 Sync pulse.jpg Simple VIC.jpg
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#2 · date not recorded
I was thinking about what Stan said in the video at that school: current lags 90 degree on voltage, so, what if the HV has no effect on the water and the 'fracturing' is just electrolysis at resonance (all the energy to the water) which happens 90 degree later?
I think it is more interesting if no bubbles appear using the correct VIC. -
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as far as i understand the sync pule and the normal vic create the same waveform, the sync pluse came later, maybe as another design configuration for improved performance, but they try to do the same thing, the chokes are wound 1:1, so what ever voltage signal comes out of the secondary and goes into the positive choke, will be mirrored exactly, 1:1, into the negative choke, so it doesn't matter that the negative choke is grounded, while the positive choke is connected to the top of the secondary
if you look at the sync pulse as a next-step advancement over the normal vic, then you'll see that the ground connection is even further back from the cell than before, with more wire in the way, making it harder to leak electrons, and to further restrict electrons as voltage is taken to higher and higher levels, also the vic structure is mirrored even more on the positive and negative side, to emphasize this balance, and make everything as balanced as possible, because now you are not only using the 1:1 chokes, but also the secondary is 1:1 on each side of the center-tap, and remember that the chokes are just part of the secondary, he says the the circuit requires a secondary that may be composed of resonant charging choke segments that vary from zero to 2000 volts or more, and this refers to a few things, including the fact that the voltage ratio comes form the turns ratio, and the increase in turns increases both voltage output and impedance and amp restriction, which results in higher hydrogen gas yield, all keeping in mind that the chokes are building with distributed capacitance and inductance so that when you make then bigger you don't just add more inductance
also remember that as the years went on he reveled more and more about the "process"... while the "systems" just advanced to higher and higher efficiency and performance, it's all the same "process", the goal of every system is the same, the differences in the systems show the advancements, so when he talks about a feature in a new system... it could still be important in the old systems too... he just wasn't telling anyone about the VIC for the first 10 years at all. -
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Please pardon the jump in... saw this as topical
what about this theory?
http://www.alexpetty.com/2010/11/17/meyers-gas-core-transformer/ -
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Please pardon the jump in... saw this as topical
what about this theory?
http://www.alexpetty.com/2010/11/17/meyers-gas-core-transformer/
Yes I have seen that. It is very interesting but their process is combining different versions of Stan Meyer. Stanley Meyer gave clear ideas of his process in his videos and also his Tech brief. Even though the Tech brief dealt with the use of water.... If you watch the New Zealand video he tells you the process on the EPG system. He uses a compound of argon/iron mix to make the magnetic gas. The magnetic gas was created by the VIC on the argon atom to link up with the iron. This just created an impressive power transformer with high efficiency.
With the VIC in actuality you can make any compound by using the VIC to strip of electrons on a atom. This is why the VIC is so important to get down since it starts the trend for every advancement.as far as i understand the sync pule and the normal vic create the same waveform, the sync pluse came later, maybe as another design configuration for improved performance, but they try to do the same thing, the chokes are wound 1:1, so what ever voltage signal comes out of the secondary and goes into the positive choke, will be mirrored exactly, 1:1, into the negative choke, so it doesn't matter that the negative choke is grounded, while the positive choke is connected to the top of the secondary
if you look at the sync pulse as a next-step advancement over the normal vic, then you'll see that the ground connection is even further back from the cell than before, with more wire in the way, making it harder to leak electrons, and to further restrict electrons as voltage is taken to higher and higher levels, also the vic structure is mirrored even more on the positive and negative side, to emphasize this balance, and make everything as balanced as possible, because now you are not only using the 1:1 chokes, but also the secondary is 1:1 on each side of the center-tap, and remember that the chokes are just part of the secondary, he says the the circuit requires a secondary that may be composed of resonant charging choke segments that vary from zero to 2000 volts or more, and this refers to a few things, including the fact that the voltage ratio comes form the turns ratio, and the increase in turns increases both voltage output and impedance and amp restriction, which results in higher hydrogen gas yield, all keeping in mind that the chokes are building with distributed capacitance and inductance so that when you make then bigger you don't just add more inductance
also remember that as the years went on he reveled more and more about the "process"... while the "systems" just advanced to higher and higher efficiency and performance, it's all the same "process", the goal of every system is the same, the differences in the systems show the advancements, so when he talks about a feature in a new system... it could still be important in the old systems too... he just wasn't telling anyone about the VIC for the first 10 years at all.
Hey Donaldwfc,
Ok I see where you are coming from in you presentation. But what I do not get is relationship between the secondary to the chokes. Is the secondary part of the choke, I mean I know they are separate but do they work together? Where did you find this information Donaldwfc that Stan spoke of in you own words that it requires a secondary that may be composed of resonant charging choke segments that vary from zero to 2000 volts or more). From what I can tell is that the secondary just provides an isolation and also a voltage increase. The chokes in series with the WFC resonant to step charges the voltage. But in order to do that the diode needs to be removed cause voltage need to be transitioned back and for.
Another question is where is the ground for the Simple VIC circuit?
attachment_6200 Simple VIC.jpg
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That Gas core theory is not what Stan was talking about, I mean, what they are doing there is showing two different systems of Stans and mixing them together, and giving them incorrect names, we know exactly what that transformer looks like from the control and driver patent, and they show it as a gas core, which is wrong, Yes, the EPG can be used as a transformer and a VIC, but I wouldn't call it a Gas core, because the gas isn't acting like a core, a core concentrates the magnetic flux, but this EPG, this is different, the gas is itself magnetized, and it's just being moved around, so calling it a gas core is a misunderstanding, it's more like a gas-rotor alternator, where in an alternator the rotor has "field coils" to make a magnetic field, to induce voltage in the stator, where as in the EPG you have the magnetic gas acting like your "field coil" to produce the magnetic field, which is pumped around, to induce a voltage in the pickup coils (stator)
Anyway, good luck to them, it's nice to see them thinking for themselves and actually building things, through this they will learn a lot.
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The chokes are part of the secondary, as he says in the control and driver patent, and if you look at the transformer you can see it has 5 coils all on the same core, the meaning of a secondary is a coil on the core that picks up magnetic flux induced by the primary, so anything that is not a primary coil (or input coil) is a secondary coil (or output coil) ... and the "three secondaries" (secondary and two chokes) are in series... there are different ways to think of it, but they all have a voltage induced in them from the core, and they are connected together, electrically and/or magnetically
the diode is used to disconnect the circuit (open circuit) (non-conducting)(diodes only conduct in ONE direction) when the voltage goes negative, to keep it from discharging the capacitor, and to allow the magnetic field from the chokes to collapse and create another pulse, to double the frequency
the resonance is not AC resonance
the ground you are asking about is labeled J in your drawing, Isolated electrical ground, there is no ground symbol in the drawing, it just says it. -
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interesting theory kickback.. here a couple perspective i have..
Stan had to develop (invent) a voltage intensifier circuit to create a electrical particle generator.. The electrical particle generator uses argon gas that has metal ions taking place of electrons which were plucked with the vic..
Stan made this argon/ metal ion gas with a voltage intensifier circuit.. This means the vic is a truely profound invention that does things that are not practiced in the art... Things such as creating a magnetic gas argon with metal ions.. As well as his hydrogen fracturing process and the others
The electrical particle generator can play a major role in the efficiency of the water fuel cell system.. It does not have to do with the gas flowing in the core of the electrical particle generator though in my opinion based on my findings..
I think stan was using the expansion of the fuel gas production to pump the magnetic gas within the electrical particle generator.. there is no reason we can not use the expansion to pneumatically drive a pump that pumps the magnetic gas...
To make it where you jump start the unit with a voltage source to the point that expansions pumps the gas to drive the circuit (electrical particle generator vic) without the voltage needing to be supplied by a source ( being self sustaining in production) ..
To make a electronic device that's job is to turn a liquid to a gas could be looked at as providing a air pressure source in the process..
air pressure can be used to drive pneumatic devices
I would say there is needed research into how safe is pneumatic devices with a flammable gas driving it..
If there is not conflict with sparking or heat that can cause ignition to drive a pneumatic motor then you are following the rules of conservation in a extent not really noticed.. Consider the expansion from liquid to gas as energy being dissipated in the circuit and you have the opportunity to harvest that dissipation (expansion / gas pressure)
To create this type of self sustaining unit you create a device that can harvest fuel gas without external power to make the fuel.. the only thing that would be needed to maintain the process is water.. the water becomes the fuel for keeping the device on..
So you can produce large amount of fuel gas on a self sustaining unit as long as you provide the water.. when or if it runs out of water there is no more gasses being produced to drive the pneumatic motor to drive the magnetic gas so the voltage drops and the device will shut down..
This device will provide a fuel gas (hydrogen and oxygen gasses) at the cost of water for the most part.. It still has to be perpetuated (jump started)
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outlaw, yes you could make the output of the EPG run the cell and then have the gasses run the EPG, after being jump started, and I encourage anyone to try!
some details to be considered is that the frequency of the output of the EPG depends on the number of coils and the speed of the gas, and the strength of the magnetic field, and the speed of the gas depends on the gas flow, and the magnetic field depends on the pressure, and the gas production depends on the voltage, and the resonance depends on the frequency, and all the parameters are interrelated, so to the person who wants to build this I say have fun. Yes it's possible, but one hell of an intricate system. -
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Yes outlawstc
I discussed this with steve last year...
The following graphic shows the amount of over unity you will have accordingly with the efficiency of the h2 generator, efficiency of the generator driven by the pressure equated.
We all know that nuclear plants uses heat to expand water, to drive turbines. However as you know when you create h2 you create the expansion and still can burn the gas later. A plastic turbine driving an alternator would do the job-
However the EPG was better in that it could actually generate direct current with no diodes.
The graphic represents the resonance of the energy generated by the expansion going into the generator generating more pressure and so on... Feedback would be a better definition.
attachment_6202 grafic resonance.jpg
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#10 ·
To explain better,
For every 1 watt that gets into the electrolyser, if you have 90% overall efficiency you will have 9 more watts of gas generated.
i made this graphic.
Its very very danger cause pressure can build up very quickly depending on the configuration. Fast fredy discovery or claim that they can create a gas that can handle high pressure would be the key to solve this problem.
The fact is that you can create a double feedback effect, the first being the pressure from the expansion. The second the further expansion, by recycling the lost heat so you can get up to more than 120% thus very high overunity gain geometric in this case.
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The best way anyway is to generate the gases separately for obvious reason.
To achieve good efficiency platinum pd and membrane must be used. high surface.
Obviously than you should use two turbines one for oxygen an other for h2, and they must be exactly dimensioned, to not get the gas mixed thru the membrane. -
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The chokes are part of the secondary, as he says in the control and driver patent, and if you look at the transformer you can see it has 5 coils all on the same core, the meaning of a secondary is a coil on the core that picks up magnetic flux induced by the primary, so anything that is not a primary coil (or input coil) is a secondary coil (or output coil) ... and the "three secondaries" (secondary and two chokes) are in series... there are different ways to think of it, but they all have a voltage induced in them from the core, and they are connected together, electrically and/or magnetically
the diode is used to disconnect the circuit (open circuit) (non-conducting)(diodes only conduct in ONE direction) when the voltage goes negative, to keep it from discharging the capacitor, and to allow the magnetic field from the chokes to collapse and create another pulse, to double the frequency
Really appreciate the analysis on how the coil interacts with each other...
I actually had a good understanding on that and very informative for anyone that does not have a clear understanding.Quotethe resonance is not AC resonance
the ground you are asking about is labeled J in your drawing, Isolated electrical ground, there is no ground symbol in the drawing, it just says it.
Ok now I am getting somewhere. I just missed the words for ground. Thanks Donaldwfc.
And now the one question what is the resonance problem. What would this be?
After understanding the renosance is not AC, I have a theory of maybe the resonance is the charging and discharging of the WFC. Now bear with me but I seen that voltage will bring on a stressed stretch the H2O bond because the water is a dielectric material. Now with the high voltage across the water reaches to high then water will have a dielectric breakdown episode. When this happens a short amount of time current does flow across the WFC, but what gets good is because current flow across the WFC it then goes to the second choke coil. This would turn the current into the doulble pulse induced for the first choke coil like Stan said. Any thoughts?
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After studding Tesla, he said his oscillator was very important, no reverse electrical flow, when the electrons flowed, the radiant event stopped, the coil in his design magnified this energy. regarding Meyers, I don't remember which video it is, a physics professor said only one wire was attached to one of the tubes. I just have a feeling the Meyers V.I.C will not work if the oscillator does not pulse the signal to the coil as Tesla required for his system. As far as I can tell meyer's system is a scaled down version of Tesla's, just applied to perform a different task -
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By geometric i mean that as you get the feedback from the energy regenerated thru the expansion of the water into gas this will be exponential, but if you than utilize some of the heat of the burning of the hydrogen to create a second feedback, the energy will multiply more than exponentially, will be Geometric. So resonance consisting in two feedbacks being the second in consequence of the first.
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I just thought a way to transform the pressure into movement in order to create electrical energy thru the use of an alternator or the epg system.
Basically i would construct a kind of two cylinder pump having a crankshaft just like an ice engine, but small and made of delrin like plastic. Than just need to add two double action solenoids, or 4 solenoids to control the cycles of gas injection and release. I was thinking and this seem to be the most efficient and safe way. Is important it to be made of plastic, to avoid sparks and hydrogen leak. Acetic plastic is known to have a self lubrication. One thing that is concerning me is the temperature.
So lets say the hydrogen generator vessel maintain maybe 50psi and move this pump accordingly with the flow of gas. The pump in turn, is connected to a generator being an epg preferable or an alternator.. .
A transformer is known to have efficiency of up to 95% so that and the fact that the epg will generate Dc so no diodes are needed, Thus Epg would be the best way to re generate the electricity.
I guess An alternator is less efficient than this and would also need the diodes so losses. -
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Wish i could examine the epgs myself.
If you think about the ice engine if used with direct injection, common rail, would already perform the function of the pump. So the pressure of the h2 would do some work pushing the piston down, however would give the explosion punch too. being the crankshaft connected to the eog would generate electricity efficiently.
However as i said temperature and pressure must be considered. Using the heat of the engine would mean that the temperature and pressure of the vessel would need to be supported.
Basically if we could maintain a pressure of at least 20 bar on the vessel without the thing explode, would be possible to make the thing work.
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Arithmetic progression is the sequence of numbers that can be created adding always the same number to the last sequentially.
ex: 2 +3 =(5) +3=(
+3=(11) + 3=14 2 5 8 11 14 so the increasing factor is 3 here.
What i mean by Exponential is that when you have a certain number of watts for example, 100 watts, than this creates some hydrogen and oxygen from water, water expand and you have a generator that can convert this energy into electricity at 90% efficiency, and you than apply this energy to generate more has than you would have:
100w original + 90% of 100W than + 90% 0f 90W than 90% of 90% of 90W....
Now by geometric i mean
100W original + ((90% of 100w)+90% of 90%of100w) + (...
So the heat feeding back into the pressure feedback.
We all know that heat expands gases.
So you apply one energy and ends up with ex: 90% of the original transformed and used to generate it self. You just create a cycle where energy is conserved, energy still exist over time don't matter we have spent before, energy is not consumed created or destroyed is transformed. We usually transform the electrical energy in heat energy. What i'm saying is that interacting with water you can recycle the energy so you start to have a Q factor over witch you will apply energy make the thing work to you during one transformation of state, than use part of the energy back. So you apply 1 energy and than you have in a second moment the applied energy + the energy regenerated+ the energy regenerated from the energy regenerated and so on. So is a classic example of resonance! Like i called in the past, a resonant system.
Again
The fact is that we can transform electricity (water electrolyser) into free pressure + heat (combustion chamber) and than can use the pressure (expanded gas from electrolyser) + heat (from the combustion chamber) to generate electricity (by using the heat to expand further the expanded gas from electrolyser witch by pressure drives an electricity generator) that is directed to share the load (water electrolyser) with the initial supply.
I'm explaining in many ways, cause is not so simple concept for everyone.
I'm not saying its perpetual motion, but if you cycle the energy to any certain amount you would create over unity effects.
Physicists like saying that energy is conserved. Ok so lets just put into resonance and keep using it forever transforming from one form to another cyclicly.
Nice thought i just had.
Vacuum Compression cycle Brake
Imagine a breaking system that uses a piston in a cylinder to break a car for example. You can think about using the piston to fill a tank with compressed air during the operation. But how about instead of letting the air to get into the piston during the intake, to let build up a vacuum, and than open the air valve in the end of the intake cycle to let the air get in and than go to the compression cycle.
I just imagined that the vacuum will create a freezing temperature during its cycle, while you are breaking. So where is the energy going to? The brake will work cool while filling a tank with compressed air. What about this?
The only way to understand is to ask questions...
I think thats what started puzzling maxwell and tesla concerning the vacuum not per se but when created.
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So after getting down and understanding the voltage pulse increase. How is this accomplished? In the charging of the capacitor the diode prevents the blocking of current in the opposite direction. The only thing I can think of is that made sense is a charging of a capacitor with short pulses. These short pulses would look like rectified DC. The rectified pulsed DC charges the capacitor. Along the way the voltage will be high enough for dielectric breakdown.
The question is in the patent 4936961 how is it achieved only the uses the a step up of 3 to 1 and a input of 26 volts which result of 78 volts ouput? How does the capacitor increase to 1000 volts. What I seen on the Tesla DC Circuit the voltage can by multiplied by a factor of two. So if 78 volts x 2 = 156 volts. So 156 volts is the maximum voltage across the capacitor inline with the inductor.
The Telsa DC resonant charging circuit is here. http://www.richieburnett.co.uk/dcreschg.html
Any suggestions?? How can Stan get the voltage up over 1000 volts with such little input voltage that built over time?
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#19 ·
HEllo,
The vic as its described, works like a charge pump, if you take a capacitor and turn it on you will reach 1000 volts or more, because the output voltage will not follow the rule Ns/Np turns relation. The diode allow the charge to be pumped with the referential of the charged capacitor so voltage continue to build up.
If you construct a vic you will see it by yourself.
If it is powerful enough you will make distilled water get up to high voltage, however if its not that powerful only capacitors will let the voltage to grow up-
For example think, a distilled water having 3kohm of resistance, if you apply one amp you will get 3000 volts. However for this you would need 3000 watts and to pump that into the circuit for real.
So if you are coming from 12 v you would need 250 amps, if 220v only 13 amps
So what i'm saying is that if we have a higher voltage on the primary it becomes easier to make the thing happen. With higher frequency transformer can be very small and need less turns.
We just need to create a good circuit for pulsing the 220 voltage. I tried but everything explodes here... A variac would be handy..
I hope this help you understand.
For example you have a primary having 200 turns of 18awg wire, and a secondary maybe 22 wire, having 200 turns and a diode and the two chokes having maybe 100 turns each being part of the same transformer.
Now come the interesting part, if you made it flyback, the voltage will depend on the duty cycle of the pulse, because the time of the discharge is forced to collapse so voltage bursts can be in the 9kv peak if you create a peak of 3 amps... I mean if you make it pulsed and not dc you can concentrate the pulse to create a higher voltage. So lets say you adjust the duty to have 10 amps at 90% duty cycle, if you discharge it in 10% you will have 9 times greater voltage. Concentrating the pulse. Depends also on the impedance of the load the speed in witch the inductor can discharge all in once. The greater the impedance the fastest it is and the higher the voltage peak.
So we need to design a pulsing circuit that handle 220v input at least 20 amps and capable up to 50khz.
To range the frequencies, different transformers must be made, to find the right configuration. Toroidal transformers work good, you just need to have a big one that can handle this magnetic flux without saturating. An E core with high frequency laminates would be good for a 10khz frequency.
We need stay together to get there.
We should partner up, i don't believe separated independent researchers can do everything alone.
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Maybe 12awg would be better for the primary, having 18 awg for the secondary and chokes... -
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The VIC is a tuned tank circuit. The posibility of using the same core for a multiple stage step up transformer (thing of it kind of like a marx generator charge in parrelle discharge in series) This is part that intregues me. A tank circuit when tuned to circuit resonance can push the voltage to a mathmatical infinite. This means it will push it up to the point of dielectrical breakdown. Now his statements about the VIC slowly fall into place for everyone. There were a few that i didn't understand till rescently.
1. he talks about the two "inductors" increasing in base voltage by adding more turns, now with an inductor more turn means more henries not more voltage, on a step up transformer more turns means more voltage.
2. His frequency doubling effect only happens if all the coils share the same core and the right frequency is used. This is because you will get the pulse from the "inductors" and then the pulse from the secondary all of which having the voltage doubling effect that inductors have.
3. His use of the 1kv diode. This wouldn't do much to the extent he is talking about except for the protection of the "inductors"
There is one point i think should be though out before mimicing his idea. BEMF. There will be a fair whack on it, most absorbed in the inductors and secondary but somethign to think about. -
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The VIC is a tuned tank circuit. The posibility of using the same core for a multiple stage step up transformer (thing of it kind of like a marx generator charge in parrelle discharge in series) This is part that intregues me. A tank circuit when tuned to circuit resonance can push the voltage to a mathmatical infinite. This means it will push it up to the point of dielectrical breakdown. Now his statements about the VIC slowly fall into place for everyone. There were a few that i didn't understand till rescently.
1. he talks about the two "inductors" increasing in base voltage by adding more turns, now with an inductor more turn means more henries not more voltage, on a step up transformer more turns means more voltage.
2. His frequency doubling effect only happens if all the coils share the same core and the right frequency is used. This is because you will get the pulse from the "inductors" and then the pulse from the secondary all of which having the voltage doubling effect that inductors have.
3. His use of the 1kv diode. This wouldn't do much to the extent he is talking about except for the protection of the "inductors"
There is one point i think should be though out before mimicing his idea. BEMF. There will be a fair whack on it, most absorbed in the inductors and secondary but somethign to think about.
Hi Crazyewok
I made much experimentation in last years on the vic connecting it in the most varied ways, and what i found is that when you add the diode in series it will become a pump like it will only conduct during the period the transformer pulse is of so you can charge up the core to the limit and than discharge it all in once concentrating the pulse to get a high voltage by flyback action, but is not only this, it also by the effect of teh charging chokes will behave like a high impedance output voltage source, or at least self adjusting output voltage source, in the sense that i had a vic with the turns recomended by meyer and i was getting instead of 36v i was getting 2000 using capacitors instead of the water, so i understand it as a charge pump, it takes the referential of the charge capacitor maybe in the capacitance side of the diode and keeps charging. If you apply enough energy you can make the voltages go where you want, just need to scale up.
The doubling effect occur not only on the transformer. Think of this, you have a vic transformer driving a load having 1 amp flowing at 1000v thru a set of bifilar coils, if you are applying half wave the diode will block the reversed field to be applied to the coils, however the 1 amp flowing on the coil want to keep moving but as you closed the door it will take your secondary as a reference and push the rest of the amps on the water. I proposed a design witch i have tried here that for one time made the pulses i was expecting, it was transforming the pulses into a full wave like... It consisted of a bifilar coil made with speaker wire about 20m or wire over iron cores, having 2 diodes one in series with the first coil and other coming from the same side where the other is connected but going to the top of the other coil where it goes for the positive electrode. Doing this the collapsed field of the series inductor became another pulse. The inductor opposes changes in the direction of the current, so if you start to make the current to move it will have like an inertia mass added to it, so when you finish the pulse it still want to keep moving. However if you than make it open circuit the field will collapse very fast. So the more the load is a short circuit the more slow will be the discharging of the inductor.
However as i have only a pc scope i'm not able to actually tell you with much sure, also because diodes got burn and i never got that effect again as i stopped experimenting with tap water, well i would need to work more on it.
There is much on this.
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The VIC is a tuned tank circuit. The posibility of using the same core for a multiple stage step up transformer (thing of it kind of like a marx generator charge in parrelle discharge in series) This is part that intregues me. A tank circuit when tuned to circuit resonance can push the voltage to a mathmatical infinite. This means it will push it up to the point of dielectrical breakdown. Now his statements about the VIC slowly fall into place for everyone. There were a few that i didn't understand till rescently.
1. he talks about the two "inductors" increasing in base voltage by adding more turns, now with an inductor more turn means more henries not more voltage, on a step up transformer more turns means more voltage.
2. His frequency doubling effect only happens if all the coils share the same core and the right frequency is used. This is because you will get the pulse from the "inductors" and then the pulse from the secondary all of which having the voltage doubling effect that inductors have.
3. His use of the 1kv diode. This wouldn't do much to the extent he is talking about except for the protection of the "inductors"
There is one point i think should be though out before mimicing his idea. BEMF. There will be a fair whack on it, most absorbed in the inductors and secondary but somethign to think about.
Yes the more turns on the inductors would not increase more voltage and also more turns on the transformer for for increased volts...
So I think I have the solution to create more voltage. heheheh
Ok so someone this site someone was referencing the PFN which is a Pulse Forming Network. It use is to step up the voltage on the relationship of the coil with capacitors. Now if the coils between other coils were side by side they would create capacitance with each other. This is clearly demonstrated on the parasitic capacitance of the dielectric coating on the wire side by side of the wire. We are not looking at the parasitic capacitance but a capacitance between the multilayered coils. The coils beside each other created capacitance between each other. Now lets think is this what Stan did with the VIC Circuit. Yes!!! This was on the secondary as well on the chokes. Also I just watch the New Zealand video and he say more turns create more voltage. This is not the more turns on a regular one coil inductor but was he saying add more coils side by side each other to create a capacitance effect.
Why does he use the phrase inductance/capacitance??? Look at the beginning concepts he demonstrated with figure 8XA.
Actually if you hear him an go back to the Tech brief he show a parallel capacitance. In many of the VIC drawing he show the symbol of a coil instead of the symbol of the inductor. The Coils are a representation of each multilayered inductor.
So in conclusion on will have to just make a multilayered choke. This would result in a step charging affect in the WFC by the means of discharging of each capacitor between each coil. With the step charging effect the voltage will reach to the point of dielectric breakdown of the water molecule. Like Stan said he was dialing into the natural properties of water meaning dielectric breakdown..
Really wish I had the material to build this. So if anyone wants to use their same setup but make the choke a multilayer coil by using the capacitance effect.
The picture of the coil for the Figure 8XA shows the individual coils. How do I know well, look at the coupling
inductance between each coil.
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#24 · date not recorded
Has anyone seen the choke for Figure 8XA??? Can this be a Multilayered Coil... The International report has a pic but I can not tell. -
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Yes man i think it is.