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Quote from: X-Blade on September 12, 2022, 12:35:16 pm

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Yeah, if you do not have enough voltage to start electrolysis, you have no current flowing

You do have current flow without electrolysis,  until the "capacitor" charges up.

You can try it with a big cell and you can observe it easily. 

If it looks to you irrelevant, it is up to you, but there is more interesting things happening in the cell that some people do not talk about or is just ignoring.

Is called displacement current, it is the charge that builds up before the conduction current kicks in.

I'm really confused right now, are we trying to replicate Meyers high voltage, high frequency aparatus, or are we trying to prove some low voltage stuff that has nothing to do with meyer? If you make your cell bigger, you'll have less resistance between the plates and more current will flow for the same voltage. Thats why he moved to the high resistance injectors, he even needed stainless steel enameled wire with high resistance in order to match the transformer to the injectors. What im trying to say, is that the only way to achieve high voltage, with low current in a water bath, is to make the electrodes very small. The cells impedance will never change, even when in resonance, because above 2v, it is a resistor. You cant restrict current in a resistor, you cant violate ohms law, you cant make voltage go up and amps go down in a resistor, the only way is if you make the resistance high enough, making it small enough.

I like your way of  thinking...idk Y after reading  ur post Google decided to show me why a ceiling fan needs a capacitor lol ...anyways good luck hope to read more from ya

Thanks for sharing...
In the the beginning of Herman being brought into the forums James had made a topic "corona disharge " as being Hermans secret,at least part of it.
No disrespect to James but its obvious the interview video was edited..alot...just from watching it that much is clear.
Remember when Herman was asked about "those wires inside there"  and " is there anything hidden inside there "
Its been a few years since ive watched that but i still remember a big question ive had is what did Herman mean by the answer " magnetically "

I think his secret was the space between his  thin layer of elecltrode under is anode bolt head power connection was  part of his " Ion King" experience.
When Bob scoped that cigar box circuit he said it put out 15 hertz that was split into 7.5 on and 7.5 off times.
Herman refferenced a patent that put out the waveform he used.
He stated in his interview a continuous wave keeps on operating and amplifies the current akin to the way a lead crystal does.
https://patents.google.com/patent/US6119651A/en
https://patents.google.com/patent/US4820957A/en

Can someone tell us what exactly is the benefit of using the EPG?
What is its purpose?

Its nice to see someone else join the crowd
Youre not the only one feels shit on by people that are part of our groups.
The great thing about those not sharing anymore is you can finish strong on your own and take all the credit you want
Its also understandable not sharing or even being part of groups for reasons you said.

not sure if the secret forum still excists....
You can try to write to ironhead...?

The waterfuelcell.org is gone, as far as i know.

Brian, when i am back home, i can do a search on old harddrives for you....

Youd prolly be interested in ironheads take on what Herman was doin.He had a video of it ...looked like a ball of burning gas in his chamber spinning round.

Youre presentation and explanation look and sound good, but.....
There should be some explanation other than having "no adverse effects on the cell" when using water other than distilled such as " rain ,sea,or snow".

Apparently those that have it are still believing its not worth it to share and sooo....its tainted ALOT of people from doing the same,which is fine everyone still has the chance to say they did it on ther own.
Its alot like stans in terms of resonance and as with Stans the inherent problems of  detecting and sustaining it is ther problem.
They havent figured it out yet is why they wont share it.

I would like to drop in here and make a quick update on stans VIC. Sorry if i'm not here all the time.

Stan told the truth when he said he pulsed his tubes at 20,000 cycles per second! I'm not exactly sure what he meant by that but due to research
I can tell you that at 20Mhz and any wavform will work. You have to have an oscilloscope because you have to tune it anywhere between 13 Mhz and 20 Mhz.

You shall tune till you see whats called "Ringing" at the start of the natural sine wave. Do not tune the ringing all the way threw the entire waveform. The Ringing rides on a sine wave. Let it ring for 1/4th of the timeframe of the sine. Voltage increases production. The fuel cell remains cold. The gas is far less volitile and the cell continues to run. Doesn't matter if you use a transformer or not, A function generator and scope is the only needed tools.

Have fun, later!

BTW, there is no step charge effect, but you will see unique bubbles thats huge. The gas is less volitile!!! Almost like it lacks oxygen.

A picture is worth a thousand words .

well for me he can keep it he never took up the chalenge many years ago on the 101cell

I can't not like Bob...he helped me for a whole year in 05...i helped him hook up solar panels at his home in ducktown and he showed me things ill appreciate forever.

Thats nice....are you familiar with envelope detector curcuits and why they are used?
With this spherical cell...the patent plainly says water but  doesn't a gas seem more logical ?
I was pretty sure Samuel Leach had a patent for a similar configuration aided with a laser but I cant find it to post for reference.
Im replying to just be a part of the conversation,I havent built this type cell yet....it looks interesting!

I dont know the significance of the different degrees of pulses in fig 2 of the Canadian patent ....can someone explain that?

Yep im happy for him with that.

http://watersmacker.com/patent.html

Ive allways wanted to know if the impedance card Stans brother shows in his patent was also included but hidden in Stans circuitry?

The diagram shows voltage amplitude is "held constant" 

Alot of people have been tinkering with Stans EPG and his brother gave us the understanding how carbon likes to stick to everything and if im not mistaken Stan stated in his patent to use an electrolyte in that  carbon rod chamber,still theres more to it than simplicity otherwise Russ would have it workin with his resources.

Are you saying a cluster of magnetic ball bearings can be pushed around the inside of a nonmagnetic tube filled also with nitrogen via a fan or electromagnets?
Or are you also saying carbon particles generated from a spark gap are also magnetized....its a bit confusing getting a picture with any cluster of magnetized particles or wat ever can simply be pushed around the inside of a tube very easy if at all.
It seams you are describing single pole magnetic particles that somehow are the same polarity and dont stick together.
I dont know but it seems like youd have better luck pushing a magnetic sphere around with bingo gas preasure and actually regulating that preasure based on something like a burner demand or some other use of the bingo gas?

I was notthere at the conditioning time but i asure you the groups main man did every thing by the book as per the scrip from BB himself.

Ten 4...those numbers posted look like a conditioning phase output.

yes and it did not work I do have a vid that was put on Utube as a chalenge to him that chalenge was to him or any one that could demomstrate with information to back it up  that chalenge has yet never been answered. that was the 101 cell some where I did show the fix to the pwm board to make it work the way it was intended by BB but the cell still did not perform.

Did yall get the gold colored anode side and blue colored cathode side of ur plates after conditioning?

In Bobs defence....his circuit evolves continuously and adding the toroid onto the drive circuit is genious in my book...thats getting really close to perfect in my book
I wish he would add a high impedance section as well tho if he aint allready.