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the other day i was doing amp readings on a 3 phase motor at work. I noticed that each leg had 20.9 amps more or less, but when i clamped the probe around all 3 conductors at the same time, i noticed the amperage was zero.

maybe this was the secret to high voltage and very low amps !

NOTICE that in steve meyers canadian patent for a three phase circuit for 9 cells, there are three sections to the circuit, in his hydroxy generating station circuit.

is the end result the cancellation of one phase by the other two?

when stan meyer said to look at the snowflakes , was he referring to the pattern? is there three phase symmetry there?
and does thos correspond to the phase angle of the hydrogen bond?

wondering if that square circuit board on the end of all those VIC cards, that nobody seems to know about, is the key to a three phase sequencing of the signals, to cancel out the currents in the combined water bath cell array?

I support the idea that fuel repacement can be done. the way i see it, most of us will have fuel injected vehicles so the 2 ways of achieving the goal would me: a hybrid of petroleum/gasoline and hho or 100% water/hho.

 Because this is going to take some time to achieve, the problem i see is the hybrid mixing of petroleum and hho particularly with fuel injected vehicles because fuel injected vehicles to my understanding so far limit the amount of variation of fuel consumption to the map and sensors that ultimately control the injector pulsewidth.

For a hybrid install on a fuel injected vehicle, petrol / gasoline consumption reduction has to come from : change in driver behaviour pattern, altering injector pulse width, engine timing, increased combustion efficiency, and importantly engine lubrication.

 As i explained elsewhere i went to a diesel oil spark rated in my vehixle because under friction testing the particular brand had the highest film strength(ability to keep 2 surfaces apart) and the powerup additive in the oil further reduces any friction and ultrasonic friction, add it to the fuel for upper cylinder lubrication also makes a difference.!

so what is being aimed for? I want a way to measure the vehicles sensors in real time and log it, add hho and measure, this then will  tell me what the sensors are doing otherwise we are guessing and measuring only by driving and fuel cost is expensive testing. If theres a sensor change then technically the signals to the ecu must be changed. My current project under construction is to use an arduino board to datalog the sensors, the digital pins can interface with a obd2 interface board to interrogate the ecu live time to get some data, the analog pins can be used to measure injector pulsewidths and any other sensor not picked up in the obd2 stream.

parts used:
OBD-II UART - great board because it does all useful protocols: http://www.sparkfun.com/products/9555
TFT lcd screen with microsd card slot http://www.ladyada.net/products/22tftbreakout/
arduino uno board from: http://www.freetronics.com/
power supply regulator to power the uno: http://www.freetronics.com/products/poe-power-regulator-28v
the hard part now is the programming!!!

i think a decision needs to be made. If youre aiming to have a cell set be the fuel supply, will it be a  supplementary supply to existing fuel or a 100% fuel supply OR will the method be to use injectors and bypass the cell idea altogether.?

a post i saw somewhere used a disc with holes drilled to restrict the entire oxygen supply ahead of the air filter, like being at a higher altitude where the air is less available to the entire system...thus tricking the computer into using less fuel

i tried this on my mitsubishi my mileage went from 24 highway to 30 mpg, but the more i restricted the intake air the less passing power i had and at a final point i forgot i had the intake restricted and tried to accelerate hard and almost damaged the motor, it starved for air/fue and stopped running for a second with a loud thump, but no damage was evident

the theory is this.....restrict the oxygen going into the engine, then when you add in the HHO the oxygen is replaced, but with the added hydrogen...no need therefore to mess with computer, mass airflow sensor or oxygen sensors

the engine is designed to waste fuel and this gets you the extra horsepower on demand for passing speeds but during regular operation you are not efficient...by restricting the air intake you incrase efficiency but lose power if needed for acceleration...otherwise there is no noticable effects of restriction

take a 4 inch round plastic disc 1/4 thivk and drill 1/4 inch holes every other point to makwe a 50% restriction
tape this over the air cleaner intake
add tape to cover holes gradually to see increase of mileage

ok so we use stans technology to produce enough HHO to start the car at idle...then the homopolar generator kicks in to use raw current to generate the HHO for running the car because the HPG doesnt have any back EMF


Another interesting discovery related to research on the HPG (homopolar generator):

Consider the three facts below
1. a stationary disc magnet and a rotating copper disc produces output
2: a copper disc with a disc magnet attached , both spinning in the same direction produces output
3: a stationary copper disc and a rotating magnet produces nothing...

Conclusion: The magnetic flux lines DO NOT ROTATE WITH THE MAGNET

Apparently there are potential flux lines all around us fixed in their eternal positions in space, the magnets simply energize the spin polarites of these DIPOLES in all directions related to the poles of the magnet.

so when you hold a magnet in your hand and move it from left to right, for example, the flux lines that energize are always newly added on the leading edge of travel and drop off the trailing edge of the motion of travel, or direction...

very interesting realization for me

i was never told this in school, we all assumed that the magnetic flux was CREATED by the magnet and this flux was the same flux that always followed the magnet wherever it went....another example of information suppression by the science community over the last 100 yearz...

so there IS a paradigm shift in my thinking, i now see the universe in a whole new way...Zero Point Energy is now VERY POSSIBLE, but unless you know that there are DIPOLES in the environment al around us, the idea never fully GELS in the mind.

BE CAREFUL...the heater elements are thick wires surrounded by ceramic and enclosed in a copper tube...the voltages are very dangerous and the current is isolated from the water by the ceramic

This is why the tank is not required to be insulated from the earth

BUT if you use stans system you have to use plastic pipe to connect your home to the tank on in and out lines and you have to insulate the tank from people and from the earth ground.

although the voltages wont be very high, they could be and also the voltage in the water causes electrolysis in the house  piping system and corrosion...so you might be better off designing an isolated heater system that then transfers heat from an exchange coil with heat transfer fins wrapping the stainless piping alongside the plastic piping so that the two liquids are totally isolated from each other both chemically and electrically

a heat exchanger is the way to go

take it from a HVAC engineer...

OK still doing inventory on the parts and found a couple of errors based on the dynodon sketches and VIC photos...
LM 318 should be LM 918m on the feedback circuit

this is schematic version 3, even better than the last one

PS I was looking at the photos of the VIC controller card and i see where pin 4 of the pll goes to point g on the cell driver circuit, but the Capacitor that ties the pin 3 of the PLL to the output of the TIP120 (Q9) in FIgure 5 vis a 22k (R59) was drawn wrong in the last two uploads of the circuit, dons sketch shows it as a .35nf cap green mylar

i changed the filtring caps for the integrated circuits to 120pf because im not using a variable voltage supply, i simply want to run a cell at full output (12v)

Here is a better schematic...circuits are also broken out into individual sheets like the patent circuits, but there are some modifications to make them better

also the filter caps for the ICs are set at 120pf, remember to mount those very close to the chip like in the photos to reduce noise

also dont forget to tie the unused inputs or outputs of these 40 series chips to the positive or negative rail to avoid noise

check the datasheets for details on what ICs are affected in this way.

Open file with PCB EXPRESS software ( free)

the VIC coil used with the submerged tubeset is tuned to the length of the tube, its a waveguide of sorts, as well as tracking the resonant frequency of the choke coils when varying amounts of gasses are produced from the submerged tube. each of the tubesets has its own vic coil. the water capacitor, the variable resonance, the tracking components, the gated signal that allows the hydrogen to pair up with opposite spin into diatomic hydrogen, allowing release of gasses, the scanning circuit that constantly tracks and locks the correct frequency based on the lowest possible current and highest possible voltage for a given primary voltage and secondary voltage, the blocking diode that prevents an ac sine wave to be reflected from the secondary into the chokes...all  of this is a tuned, complete system. According to Steve Meyer, ( i spoke with him on the phone last week) you cannot separate any of the components from the complete system to test functionality because they all work together as a whole.. by the way he said that his circuits have a copyright for 75 years... and that people have stolen things from off of his desk when his back was turned..such as a video tape...etc.
He said that my idea to release the technology anonymously to the world once we figure it out was a disservice to the families of those who worked so hard for so long and invested so much time and money into the project...I replied that unless we forward the whole system in its final form to thousands of people at once, the oil cartels will continue to step on the neck of anyone who tries to corner the market for profit...this technology MUST be open sourced or we will never have energy independence!!! ... it was an honor to speak with him, he's about 79 years old now..a very gracious man on the phone.
BTW he says that it only takes 11 volts to remove an electron from a hydrogen........

WHAT IF WE WERE TO COMBINE THE OUTPUTS OF ALL 9 VIC COILS IN SERIES?

WHAT IF THE GATING SIGNAL WAS COMMON TO ALL 9 VIC COILS IN SERIES?

DOES THIS EXPLAIN WHY ALL THE WFC CAPS ARE SHOWN CONNECTED IN SERIES AS ONE BIG SERIES CONNECTED CAPACITOR?

SO EACH VIC CIRCUIT MAINTAINS ITS OWN CHOKE RESONANT FREQUENCY TO RESTRICT AMPS...BUT THE OUTPUTS ARE ADDED TO GET SUPER HIGH VOLTAGE?

309 TURNS PRIMARY 2000 TURNS SECONDARY AND 2000 TURNS ON EACH CHOKE, BUT THOSE EFFECTIVLY CANCEL EACHOTHER OUT BECAUSE THEY ARE OPPOSING EACHOTHERS MAGNETIC FLUX TO RESTRICT AMPS ... SO EACH VIC COIL IS AROUND A 7 TO 1 STEP UP FROM 12 VOLTS

THIS GIVES 84 VOLTS AT EACH OUTPUT BUT IN SERIES WE HAVE 9 VIC COILS FOR 756 VOLTS DC ACROSS THE WATER FUEL CELLS, WHICH ARE A HUGE CAPACITOR AND WITH STEP CHARGING THE CAPS CAN REACH TWICE THE SUPPLY VOLTAGE DUE TO THE DE Q ING DIODES IN THE VICS

SO WE GET 1500 VOLTS, AT THE RIGHT FREQUENCY TO PULL APART H2O WITH ALMOST ZERO AMPS

IS THIS THE SECRET?

The tubing is known as Multi Lumen Tubing and can be custom made (extruded)
 
 The diameter we need to shoot for is .015" maximum per passage
 
 here is a link                 http://www.dukeextrusion.com/capabilities.html
 
 stan used this multipassage tubing to deliver the Hydroxy gases safely throughout the vehicle
 
 modern technology can produce a more capable delivery tube with better flow than his original as shown in the photo attached
 
 remember the compression fitting ferrule must squeeze down on the tubing and thats why his tubing was configured the way it was
 
 there should be a way maybe multiple tubings in parallel to get more gases to the desired location
 post your drawings or ideas here and any price quotes or contact info for other companies !

I just figured that Stan may have wanted to have a couple of extra outputs for future use.There was alot of changes made to alot of the boards,probably trying to make it work correctly.
 
Remember Stan didn't make those boards,his brother Stephen did,he had an electronics business.
 
Don

Thanks for the response, i kind of figured that

ANY IDEA on what kinds of pump or pumps he used to pressurize those injectors and the ionized air from the gas processor?

obviously the air didnt flow into the mixing chamber by itself!

Don
Here is a schematic update for the actual Gated Pulse Frequency Generator attached

Any idea on why Mr. Meyer added the 7404 inverters for the extra output signals and also why did he use a 4 input AND chip for an additional 2 outputs???

probably not required, but everything he did was for a good reason...although there were a lot of traces cut and errors on that board !

The one thing that has eluded me in this journey of discovery is the electrical fundamental formula related to series resonance vs parallel resonance

With series resonance the amps go high while the voltage goes down at resonance

With parallel resonance the voltage goes high, keeping amps at a minimum

that is documented all over the net at every single site and in all the electronics books

so my question is:
does the secondary coil of the transformer count as the parallel inductor with the water cap (tube) disregarding the chokes...

it appears that if the resonance we are seeking is the tank circuit between the secondary/choke combination and the WFC then it looks like a series resonant tank circuit and therefore: series resonance should give high amps and low voltage!

OR are we shooting for resonance of the capacitive / inductive characteristics of the choke coils themselves

What exactly do you think the PLL is providing as far as the resonant frequency? does the fact that the secondary is a voltage source at each end of the coil make it a parallel tank circuit as opposed to a series tank circuit with an external power source?

others have indicated that the blocking diode prevents a tank circuit...

the mystery boggles my mind

Transformer Calculations:
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Vic Bobbin Shown can hold at the most

30 layers deep x 114 winds wide = 3420 turns per choke

3420 x 3 coils = 10260 turns for all three

if 10260 turns = 2000 volts (target output at 12 volts)

2000 / 10260 = .194931773 volts per turn

12 volts primary / .194931773 volts = 61.56 turns on the primary

10260 / 61.56 = 166.66 to 1 transformer ratio

PROOF: 12 volts x 166.66 = 2000 volts

if voltage is varied from 3 volts to 12 volts to control production ( using figures 2, 3, & 4 as stated in the patent)
then 3 volts would give a final output voltage of 3 x 166.66 = 499.98 volts
6 volts as a lower limit would give us 999.96 volts

these calculations are based on zero losses and using an optimum AC signal to overcome hysteresis losses

i dont know how the square wave, DC signal with a diode affects these calculations

I do know that a small inductance on the primary is required because at 10khz anything over 50mh tends to make the square wave a pure dc (battery) signal and the pulsing signal would be lost in the inductive reactance.

for this reason the type of core used must be thin and flat with a very low permeability and the gap between halves helps avoid saturation
as seen in the final VIC core

photos attached with dimensions

here is the 3 and 4 schematics

only one change from dynodons values and accurate according to the photos

the change is the 10u cap becomes a 1nf  ( just below Q3) to get an output waveform just before the switch that actually does something in the rest of figure 4

at least thats the way i was able to get the simulation to work......

Here is the figure 2 simulation based on what information is available so far

This circuit contains a custom 74122 subcircuit by using the pins from a 74123 in the multisim library and adding extra pins as in the datasheet for a 74122 by adding a few extra logic components... any engineers out there feel like challangeing my design please feel free to post a modified 74122 subcircuit if mine is incorrect

Thanks

( you can view the subcircuit by double clicking the 74122 subcircuit component in the figure 2 simulation file)

also:
not sure on how many signals came from the distributor

 i believe there were two breakout cables coming off the distrbutor
one for the 4 injector signals and possibly another with more for RPM sensing

How this affects the signal that is output is beyond me

also i may have the 74LS112 hooked up wrong on A1 for pin 9 destination...

to remain true to stans original patent documents
In the stan meyer full data document we find ( and in the new zealand video) he mentions 10KHZ resonant frequency

open the full data PDF and search for every occurance of the term "hz" . you will find the following:

resonant frequency 1 khz up to and beyond 10khz...

10khz for faster response to acceleration

variable pulse frequency generator maintaining a 50% duty cycle 10 khz or above, clock signal to accelerator ( output "G" )

\top of page 1-9 leds firing at 1 hz to 65 hz

Optoschmitt, LED pickup circuit at 100Khz

that pretty much says it all

Tony, your Ms10 files open with Ms11, thanks
I noticed that your figure 12 555 timer only has a range of 1.2Khz to 12.115 Khz and the duty cycle on the 555 is nowhere near 50% duty cycle
so the first thing that comes to mind is a divide by 10 counter... the result would be 1.2 Khz.... how do we get the 10Khz 50% duty cycle clock signal from the full data document then?

(thinking outside the box)

thanks again

divide by 10, says everywhere
divide by 2, says nowhere

youre missing the point of my question... why not divide by 2 ?

the 50 % duty cycle is not possible with a 555 timer @ 40Khz unless the values for the pot and caps is way different than what the patent drawing shows (9XB)

to get a 50% duty cycle you need a 1.8k resistor between pin 7 and 6/2 and a 7nf cap between pins 6/2 and ground, then you need a 5k pot with a head and tail of 10 ohms...this gets you colse to 50% duty cycle at 40Khz

What i believe stan did was shoot for 40Khz center frequency and divide by 2 on the figure 12 circuit to get a clean 20Khz 50% duty cycle through the counter and the added benefit of having 10Khz and 5Khz for various timing functions in the HGMS system.


With a divide by 10   we get 1 dirty 40Khz signal to start with then we get 4 Khz 400Hz and 4 Hz these frequencies are too low to be of any use???

any comments on the functionality ?

@tony
will multisim 11 open multisim10 files???

well, i dunno about any of you but reading through the many pages of info its easy to get confusion about the parts and labelling, ie the gas resonant cavity, ambient air ioniser and laser accellerator..... as all 3 initially appear similar due to the use of LED's.

THE "LASER ACCELERATOR" IS SIMPLY A FANCY TERM FOR "gAS PEDAL" THAT USES PHOTODETECTORS TO SENSE THE POSITION OF A MOVING METAL TAB BETWEEN TWO ROWS OF LEDS AND DETECTORS...THIS POSITIONING DEVICE WAS DESIGNED TO LAST A LONG TIME, EVERY TIME YOU STEP ON THE GAS PEDAL THE CABLE ON THE DUNE BUGGY WOULD MOVE THIS METAL TAB, RESULTING IN A FEW LIGHTS PASSING THRU THE GAP OR ALL THE LIGHTS PASSING THRU THE GAP. eSSENTIALLY THIS IS SIMILAR TO A LINEAR VARIABLE RESISTOR, EXCEPT THAT THERE ARE NO PARTS TO WEAR DOWN.

So the result is any number of 5 volt signals 1 to 15 sent to the figure 2 multiplexor chip which in turn shaped the pulses from 10% duty cycle to 90% duty cycle based on the position of your foot on the gas pedal...
this in turn sent anywhere from 3 volts to 12 volts to the positive side of the VIC Coils to control their gas output or hydrogen production.

its that simple !

it seems that there are a few different ways to hook up those 7490 ICs

on 9XB timer pin 3 input to pin 14 on the left with pin 11 as the output of the 7490
connect 2367 &10 to ground and use pin 5 as VCC (5+)
connect 1 & 12 together and you have a divide by 10 counter


On my figure 12 simulation i used the same power and ground pins as before, but had the 555 pin 3 go to pin 14 input and used pin 11 as the output.
this time i left 1 and 12 unconnected and i got a Divide by 2 counter

Which is the best?
If both start with a center frequency of 40Khz on the 555 pot
and 9xb then gives 4Khz - 400 Hz - 40Hz as the choices
while:
fig 12 ( as a divide by 2 setup)
would give   20Khz - 10Khz and 5Khz

what is the reason behind the divide by 10 or the divide by 2 selectors in this circuit ?

DOES ANYONE HAVE THE ANSWER??

@DON

seems like the Q8 on VIC CARD was an after thought, even though the fingers go out to an external Q8
What gives?

Here is the updated figure 4 schematic based on the Vic Card details