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Likewise horvath uses magnetic fields but it’s there to be able to use Lorentz force and by consequence able to generate electricity from water movement

The movement under resonance is amplified by the continuous and systematic application of the electric power up to the point where it generates a voltage on water that when “extracted” generate electricity back and gas as by product

The efficiency come from it developing the voltage on water by resonance while the electricity cycled back

Voltage is not consumed if is perpendicular to the direction of the conventional current flow  in the circuit given by the movement of the water this perpendicular voltage increases and split the molecule and so the charge just need to be neutralized so it can get the gas to form

The key in generating energy is how you will consume it and Stan come and say well I need to do this to make the gas be generated and the key is that at same time it generate electrical power 100 amps discharge and he derive the voltage of 100v from a 1 ohm resistance of course that the circuit need to have

He later says we’ don’t really want to stabilize so he increase this resistance (flash lamp) where not only he forces the discharge to happen at a higher voltage but also irradiate the water with this infrareds and ultraviolets that give a ffurther boost on the voltage dissociation effect

Energy can be converted from one form to another! Sound to electricity or heat or pressure or particles velocity

Particles velocity in perpendicular motion to a magnetic field generate a voltage

When you put voltage you accelerate the molecules if they cross a magnetic field they have a voltage that is perpendicular to its polarization

Might be present to you how induction cooking can induce a high current on metals

Well it does on water as well at a specific frequency and conditions and geometry

A magnet spinning in a coil is an example of what happens with the water electrons


Good luck you all

Meyer said explicitly it was a generator and that water was the electron source, he also says he use resonance at audio frequencies… and also that he didn’t break any laws of physics so from generator theory you get only few ways to accomplish it some electrostatic some magnetic some electromagnetic etc I think you should stop loosing time and go where he tried to point instead of what he had to say to keep it from getting in the wrong hands.

Happy new year

Instead of trying to believe more and more go the opposite way! Look the patents citations instead is all there!

The energy consumed in this system should be

The heat on coils and capacitors and switching
 the residual current on water during out of tuning
The acoustic energy is dependent on this residual current on water
This current only exist because phase differences and the acoustic energy eventually becomes dimmer
And most importantly because the ever increasing voltage applied by the Vic
If the voltage stay the same the current should keep very close to zero because the acoustic energy won’t simply go away

So to increase the level of acoustics energy voltage need to be increased

So the whole system consume some power and  that’s why superconductors will help maximize it to the limit allowing probably to get to rocket power generating level

In physics you can reduce everything to every action gives a reaction and it makes easy to learn lenz law right hand rule and all you need to understand that if you approach a magnet to a copper it will repel but if you try to get it away it will attract

Likely when a coil magnetic field is 90degres of the motion of particles the magnetic field will not get consumed but will deflect the particles

And also that if a driving force has a backemf as reaction to limit the power in like in a dc motor accelerating

That’s why we can simply know that when we apply the voltage and there is a magnetic field the acceleration caused will reduce the current the higher the velocity is reached

To be clear what makes the particles accelerate is voltage and if this particles are inside a cavity they will resonate accumulating energy up to hundreds times the energy you are placing in

If you put 40w into a resonating cavity with a quality factor of a 200 you get 8kw of resonating acoustic power

So the frequency is really sharp anything outside of fraction of a hz difference will not allow max power accumulation because the power in and inside may have phase difference

Here is why the phase Locked loop comes into use

If you guys like I think we could have a video conference so we can talk more details

I tried to document all my findings on my post my new approach few months ago when I could because my memory is not in best shape anymore

Describing a little better the chokes that provide the magnetic field for the cell is loaded in parallel to lower the quality factor

I tried to make it in such way that the Vic make dc go to water and at same time drive this choke coil forming a parallel resonance with the capacitors

The problem is that it only give max magnetic field at a narrow frequency so it need to be tuned to the cavity to be able to get the cavity to resonate

I had to stop the tests because my money and time finished and so I had to keep my life out sometime because without focus I don’t have progress

The next step I would take would be provide a dc current to the chokes and apply ac to the water to see if the ultrasonic sensor pickup the oscillation

That way I would find the cavity frequency first and than get back with the Vic as I did but tuned to the correct frequency

There seem to be two ways of going that is thru direct induction and this by ultrasonic resonance to restrict the current

When I mean direct induction I mean by transformer effect and it need a different geometry as I show my strange tube prototype build

My idea to completely debunk the teory that to start the reaction you first need some gas bubbles is that if you have deionized water you are going to have pretty low current and barely visible bubbles…

Also you notice water will heat up a lot! Because high voltage low current means heat too

The reaction will happen when this current goes to zero and voltage rise to a level water can’t hold together anymore so a real bubbling will happen

The energy in form of waves that got into water In sync with the magnetic field produce a dc rippling wave because the magnetic field flips in sync with the flipping of the pressure wave of ions crossing the magnetic field

A certain acoustic energy is needed to get the back emf to grow but the point is that once it’s charged the feedback can detect this changes

The reason Meyer frequency was below ten kHz is because the size of the electrode in respect with the tube cavity

That because size of the region of high velocity particles vs pressure will depend on frequency so we need to capture this voltage only at this specific point otherwise if the electrode is longer then the other regions with lower particle velocity would behave like a load to the cell own Voltage limiting and or negating the restriction of the current

So if Meyer really used distilled water because of low ppm I’m sure te first bubbles is not what restrict the current

When I started building it lot of things started to get really much clearer in my understanding of what Meyer was talking about

Is really sad I could not continue with that hope it may help others get there and hope they have the honesty to recognize my contribution

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What make you believe that? and according to your perspective why would current get restricted?

On my theory when current get restricted for example water have 220v backemf and I apply 200ma for example this result in at least44watts going in ( is just an example ) dis considering the resistance let’s say was 500ohm Woud cause hundred volts  drop consume for a total of 150w or so when ther is no energy acumulated applying 320v result in 640ma initially and when the restriction works it drops to 200ma

So this need a 200w power supply just to kick in the power and when it’s charged it drops to 144 (wrong ) because the restriction
(Correcting) I confused voltage for watts in this example actually this hundred volts on the 500ohm is consuming 20w so when “charged” in this example the power would drop to 64 w ! 20 for the resistance and 44 on the backemf
Again this is just an example so you can understand how it all relates in this idea

The resistance of bubbles would be linear increasing as the bubbles increase do you agree?

If the current is taken from a backemf the graph is exponential like Stan show the amp restriction graphs

Current = (vin - backemf) / ohms

The higher is the applied voltage the greater is the restriction because it’s resistance increases exponentially as energy get accumulated on the water cell in form of vibrations generation or if in for of induced electric

Like the piezo anti resonance it’s movement and deformation causes the bemf

When Meyer says he used voltage as potential energy and water as source of electrons it become evident that the cells together with this structure and fields can propagate potential thru the water tube but capture” current at the tips by using water as source of electrons

Another way of view it is you have two baths connected by a wire that goes to a grown inside each bath

Than each bath have a cell and they are connected like before in tandem with diodes shorting the cells

If we place this wire over the cooktop it will give the baths a voltage ac but the cells will use this ac potencial and drive current thru the diodes

In this case the propagation happen thru this grounds fluctuating by the wire

So the ground is receiving ac giving to each cell half reaction

If the ground is a catalyst it may help reducing the loss of potential there and it will probably heat up on this reaction

Heat is another form of energy that can cause voltage

Well the point is without this wire and grounds the induction is propagated thru water itself

Induction cooktop is perhaps the easier way to show

You need a two cells connected to each othe with two diodes Basicaly shorting the anode of one to the cathode of the other

Than connect this two cell with a tube and fill with water and place on the cooktop

It will show voltage on the ends

Now if we maybe match the frequency of the cooktop tank with the length perhaps we get a surprise

The tubes can be made with pvc connection for example a c shape over the cocktop and some curves to make the cells vertical and farther than the field so it won’t heat up the cells metals

If the electrodes are catalytic probably is better but than it need a membrane to separate the gases to impeded from recombining

Each cell this way should generate hydrogen and oxygen at their respective electrodes where the current flow

The potential however come from induction captured and propagated by the dielectric and cocnductive properties of water

I used to log in and keep an eye on Tektrical / electrotek. I guess people didn't pay much attention to him. He was investigating HV experiments, spark gaps, plasma etc. He was in his 70s, I guess he is no longer here. last log in Nov 2022. maybe Covid, maybe just time caught up.

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I wouldn't be interested in HV across water. Theoretically, H atom is 1 proton and 1 electron. Electrons are the same thing out of a battery.
X and Z is based on freq. R is constant; V and I vary. The sawtooth output is max HV and then decays to zero. The primary circuit has switched off, so cannot be damaged by the secondary.
I experiment with HV FBT and my interest is short circuits, which is V/R = I, the R stays constant. This is why I was interested in elecktrotek's experiments with neon light transformer etc. V moves electrons, remembering there is a HV diode. FBT don't need to be "resonant", it is one pulse at any time and Idle time in between.

I never thought to ask electrotek what he thought of Stan Meyers. I don't think he was following SM

I remember reading his posts about it

My impression is that Meyer hid so well his ideas behind citation of other patents

Like the tay he Han and the ultrasonic one…

Reading that and seeing other parents that cited it as well I started to think Meyer was far more intelligent than he wanted to seem

I mean he had that thing but would not show not even talk about what really make it work but did in such a manner that show so many things and parts that keep people right off from it…

In Hollywood films this is how they explore the ideas they show you one thing to get you amazed so they can literally talk shit and you are still thinking on the shiny thing you saw before

Meyer used this to hide the essentials while he could show lots of details

In my research on the ultrasonic patent he cited I came across the phenomenon of anti resonance in ultrasonic piezo

That is welding piezo are driven this way to keep it feed with high voltage and low current so when you apply pressure and change the resonance it than suck power in and weld plastics

The thing is that applying it to water become clear that the cell is simply a resonant cavity but also possibly a transducer

So if driven to certain condition it will acumulate energy and this energy work back generating a back emf that cuts current flow

The Vic is simply a transformer to push power to the cell but it will only work if the cell have the correct fields configuration “magnetic” and frequency

Without it is just a piece of metal that will never have any other result than electrolysis

This lead to another idea that I started on the past ten years that was the water coil

Where I tried to induce the high voltage by electromagnetic

However I used a long water line and a transformer instead of a resonant atestem so although I could get some voltage the water ends when connected to each other would result in zero current

So I designed other ways of doing it

All that because if we get te energy from inside out the voltage drop should be less of a problem for efficiency since it’s reversed so we would be using the electricity and the gas

I believe there is a possibility that my recent theories are plausible… I just couldn’t have the time to keep testing this year… my business is very time consuming and so I could not give much to testing… hopefully next year I get another chance to spend some time on it when my business get some more grow…

Luckily I’m not a greed Pearson the reason I need to work so much is because since the pandemic Brazil is becoming the most expensive place to live in the world… our currency value is every day lower and so things are getting rapidly expensive

To fix your car or even to eat it’s all becoming really cost prohibitive

Here the socialist government is robbing the country in the excuse of helping people is really sad

Well china seem to be on something as I posted on the other thread…

I believe they used the ultrasound to nail it

The Nice part here is that both Will get polarized! Walter Will have more than one electric field acting on

I wish i could feel só sure…

Só far o know nothing About stanley cell since o Didnt meet him in life

Isdifrerent than havingsmall electrodes pretry much different

The resistances are diferent in different parta Of the cell depending what conduction mechanism is in place

And specially when resonance take placê in relacione with the magnética firlds

As recently i tried to point

Adding a foil Of Mylar roled between the concentric cells Force the Electric field 90degrees and lengthen it

Suming with magnetic fields

Bang

Now its high resistance

Check my YouTube channel tomorrow you will see hopefully a demonstration of current being restricted and voltage taking over
I hope to be able to show the  stepped up waveform with double frequency just like Stan show

No magic

I’m starting to  think that those tube cells was only for comparison with.electrolysis

Remember who wins the war tell the story

Make no sense for me… I tried connecting coil in series with the cell for years if you take careful reading you see that the resistance of water is proportional to the voltage aplied to it so if you want to get correct reading you will first need to make sure the voltage on water is equal to the other case including te wave form otherwise is not a fair comparison

That mean you need to apply two different voltages that imply also the source impedance may change

I could bet on it that you won’t get any difference provided the voltage waveform on the cell is the same regardless of the voltage applied

Exceto that if you give over 2kv because it will cause ionization and actually drop the resistance of water

There is nothing a coil can do to the current other than change its waveforms and cause voltage drop

Other than that a coil can do force like I explained on my recent posts

Eccles use two capacitances.. Stan may have used a couple of cells

When we charge the cell we are adsorpting ions without effectively breaking perhaps the very negative spike force the ions to dissolve back but losing the electrons leaving the negative charge behind

That’s my two cents on it

After some thinking about Stanley’s work

I hardly believe it was relying only on stainless steel

He certainly used a dielectric to be able to get the fields required to liberate the electrons

Charging it positively will get the electrons on the dielectrics and violently reverting it with a very strong negative pulse would make this electrons have energy to go out of the system and burned out in a emission filament

Sorry for the delayed reply

I took a look on the simulation, seems like the electron extraction circuit

Having such a small capacitance anything we put in become high voltage..

This month I have got some business to finish and than I will be able to start some testing next week

I will be focusing on getting the water to generate electricity and gas at same time but I will be following those two or 3  major lines I talked about last year

One using the electromagnetic fields to shake water and or induction to make the process and secondly using ultrasound as direct power input seem to me the later is the easiest path to go and also this days the most expensive


The idea is to get a resonant structure that allow the water velocity to be at max where the electrode sit

Interaction of the electromagnetic and the velocity will converge in the electron extraction ckt in my opinion

I just consider it as a full feedback

This year everything will change!

Well, if you think about it, the water is the load on the DC circuit.  Otherwise, like any other capacitor, it would just be an open circuit.

Thats true! the only part that i still have concern is that the interaction of the coils with the cell since the diode is on the other side should have an ac component..

If we think the cell as Open it will reflect the wave on the same polarity… raising the voltage in and reducing the current in (raise the impedance) (if applying unipolar pulse!!!)


the diode would actually block this reflected positive pulse trapping the wave between the bif coils and cell

on the other side if we take it as a short ckt (having lower impedance than line) it will reflect back the opposite polarity wave making the input hungry for amps (again in the unipolar case)… here the diode just allow more and more to go…

matching the impedance with the cell will make this reflections lower…

changing the ppm of the cell would change its resistance… so you can basically add drop by drop of some diluted acid on the cell and find where the cell have zero reflection…

in the video he talk about the electrons bunching up… just like meyers used to talk about…

something nice comeout of it is that not necessarily  he wires need to be connected to have influence on each other… if you have a positive charge somewhere it will cause a charge redistribution… and voltage is electric field * d… so generating high charge density on both sides of the cell may also be a way to manipulate what is inside of it….

The whole point having a matched impedance is to be able to keep the thing under control …. for that we have the gating

the returning mention of meyer to the resistance and using a resistive wire may be related to being able to control this reflections but it can be perfectly done adding a resistor externally to tune for the impedance such as to get it more under control… the fact that he needs a resistor is another thing that indicates that the line impedance is smaller than the cell!!!

so some mismatch is desirable if as we discussed the z is lower than loads..

I revisited the tech brief looking for ppm and stan clearly states he uses rain or natural water from 1ppm distilled 4ppm rain and 20ppm natural water… city water goes from 78 on summer to 150 on winter here in São Paulo due to water treatment i guess

So the cell will not be a small resistance at least … but will still be a small impedance if we don’t manage to increase its inductance somehow..

today i learned more about skin effect and why hollow conductors are often used for antenas.. i wonder if with an iron core the antena reception or transmission would get improved… somehow the linear inductance would change… or would only it give a different impedance?