6watts and 8 liters HHO per minute...........
Started by unknown · · 285 posts · last reply 16 May 2019
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#51 · date not recorded
Stan's various patents show a variety of ways to do it, including unbroken pulse trains, even constantly increasing spacing between pulses. The steep leading edge seems to be the consistent factor. Semiconductors and relays can both produce square waves. I have little confidence in semiconductors. The kind of energy I like to use always frys them. So I spent a lot of time watching relay videos. But they just don't work for me. I can build a simple inverter circuit, but as soon as I connect the transformer, the relay stops working. No matter how big the relay or how small the transformer. It just doesn't work for me. No matter what I try, I can't see a way forwards. -
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maybe i'm missing something, where is the switching taking place here? -
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There's an interval during which the step charging pulses to the cell are stopped, to allow the water molecules to 'relax', or self discharge, so they can be step charged again. During this interval, the pulses are switched to the lightbulb which is part of the electron extraction circuit. This keeps the cell from heating up, due to the "stretched rubber band" analogy Stan uses in the video. Electrons which are pulled free are hot (according to Stan) and must be pulled out of the water, to keep the cell cool. He did this by switching the sharp inductive pulses to the light bulb , momentarily. -
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One thing I'm having trouble with is the term 'voltage intensify'. Stan said that when the outputs from the chokes are combined, the frequency doubles. (Steve verified this on his scope.). Does this mean the voltage is intensified, just by adding more pulses? I always thought intensify means increase, as if two pulses were stacked on top of each other. Doubling the amplitude sharpens the leading edge. Maybe there's another step which Stan left out on purpose, to pull the extra pulses back, to align them with the original pulses, while keeping the frequency the same? Or is the intensifying simply caused by sending the pulses through an inductor, with the accompanying voltage increase? Or would stacking the pulses produce Ed Gray's over/under waveform - a signal which rises and falls, while maintaining a constant potential difference of at least 13.4 V? (Shaking the static.)
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#55 · date not recorded
Is good to know you are working on it my friends.
i´m here in brasil still struggling to pay my bills, and dealing with my dad with terminal cancer.. i´m very sorry to not being able to keep doing tests lately..
I´m trying to read and catching up this post info...
my later theories some of i still want to test tell me one thing
1 meyer didnt used the coils to restrict the amps they were there for create the voltage intensification by collapse.. when a coil collapse unrestrictedly all the energy is dumped at once
2 he used barium titanate to get the at least one of his electrodes coated.. or he had a external capacitor for it very high dielectric with high resistance...
3 his cell was very well insulated from ground allowing to grow high voltage potential relative to ground
In my mere opinion what meyer did was indeed like what he said he charged the cell with dc but giving a high voltage periodic reverse pulse after each positive pulse.. this pulses must cause the resonance on the water molecule making the electrons to momentarily rearrange the molecule to a lower energy state.. meyer says he basicaly disrupt the equilibrium of the water molecule by not having enough electrons...
well what i can tell you about this is that is not possible to extract electrons from there unless some gas is going out missing electrons... this tells us is not only a electronic but also a dynamic system.. pretty much like the faraday thunderstorm generator
imagine this sequence positive allign the molecule oxygen near the electrode and reverse negative pulse shake its electrons...
to be able to extract any electrons from the water the electrons must be at a potential where they are reppeled from the bath so it need to be at negative high voltage... this would make the electrons go down the line..
i believe meyer have used 99% duty cycle and air core instead of 50% somehow this allow for the increase in the voltage according to the techbrieth
today we get a new power tool that i´m going to be using soon
i started to learn how to use arduinos and esp´8266 and esp 32 chips .. it seems to me that this chips are going to allow us all to have the kind of system for tests i have here and that cost toooooo much... talking about labview..
in my opinion the metters we are going to create will be even faster and powerfull besides cheap ..
there are dozens of modules ready to use for signals like voltage current temperature pressure flow, water level etc
is possible to plot graphs and even keep all the results on a data base
we just need to learn how
well this is a huge step for us because knowing how many watts are you using is the very basic to work with...
there are some watt metters too that can be very cheap and work as a comparison at the inputs
but is important to monitor currents, voltages, frequencies, number of pulses, dutycycle, and be able to plot all this over a flow measurement
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#56 · date not recorded
well what i can tell you about this is that is not possible to extract electrons from there unless some gas is going out missing electrons
there has been no analysis of the gas produced . positive ionized ? negative ionized ? balanced ?
no reverse engineering from that point backward
the same applies to Horvath , puharich , Brown etc no one has any idea what the gas was that was produced just loosely called hydrogen gas.
one thing that is established is that the oxygen atom wants the outer shell fully loaded with electrons , thats not going to change .those electrons have to come from some where . -
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Hi Fabio,
Sorry to hear about the health crisis. I strongly recommend complete avoidance of any form of milk. It makes the tumors grow too fast. (Personal experience, following accidental irradiation 9 years ago.). And I've been reading remarkable things about black cumin.
@Will:
I completely agree with everything you say.
I'm going to start playing with my fan motor generator, driving a small hv transformer, with a spark gap on the secondary. A MOT pulls around a kw but it should be possible to get the effect without so much power. And I already wired up a little vic transformer.
I'll figure out some kind of test to see if coulomb repulsion will discharge the free electrons without added power input to that part of the circuit. Free energy has been claimed like that in the past. -
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Thats sad news, Fabio....
Take one thing at the time.
We will be here forever. Take it easy. When we find the keys to solving Meyer we let you know ;-)
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what is the equivalent power in coulombs of the atraction force of the 2 shared electrons of the 2 hydrogen atom with the oxygen atom? -
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electric field = newtons/coulombs -
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hydrogen bondingh-bonding.pdf
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1 meyer didnt used the coils to restrict the amps they were there for create the voltage intensification by collapse.. when a coil collapse unrestrictedly all the energy is dumped at once.
i started to learn how to use arduinos and esp´8266 and esp 32 chips ..
OK, thanks. I'll try using a bifilar coil, with a spark gap at one end, one side of the gap connected back to the start, with the cell in series with the other input.
Arduinos are great. I wired up a lot of PLC's when I was an industrial electrician. It's so good that we can buy our own now. -
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1 meyer didnt used the coils to restrict the amps they were there for create the voltage intensification by collapse.. when a coil collapse unrestrictedly all the energy is dumped at once
this is description and function of a true flyback transformer in normal use . the secondary diode makes the secondary invisible to the primary because the diode is reverse . more voltage is available from an ebay FBT than a home made job <<< thats not to put off anyone building coils .... -
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According to the video at the start of this thread, we don't want the secondary to be invisible to the primary. But does this mean we can't use my diode T-tap in the circuit, to pump the thermal electrons? -
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when meyer talk about inducing resonance in the molecule for me it kind of mean that the molecule
1 will have a change in the electron configuration for a moment increasing the energy level H2O
and
2 the atoms at higher energy level will rearrange to a stable form like H2 and O2
notice that therefore we need to form actualy 2H2 and 1O2 molecules
if we consider the area of the plate and the size of water molecules is possible to estimate the number of molecules that will be in direct contact with it and thus estimate the required pulse configuration.
whenever we raise the voltage over onevolt or so current start flowing unless its very pure water... this mean that the ionized molecules in the double layer pass thru the layer and get discharged.. meyer clearly stated we dont want that
the only way to make it is to use a material that is not capable of conducting current or if we can saturate the current i believe meyer did both ways
to actually release the hydrogen from oxygen we need anyway a holdon voltage to not allow for recombination...
when the water molecules electronic configuration get momentarily disrupted i believe there will be a kind of short like effect but here current will not flow to separate the atoms because atoms here are neutral and this is what meyer talk about using voltage potential without consuming energy
imagine for example a water molecule breaks near the positive electrode and that the hydrogen atoms wont be ionized will they go toward the negative electrode ?
a neutral molecule can also be polarized
that said is clear that any neutral molecule is going to be attracted to the nearest electrode by electronic polarization!
so both electrodes will have free hydrogen atoms and oxygen atoms near it when we get it to resonance
if there is a direct current going there is going to be more oxygen near the positive and more hydrogen near the negative but again the same as before explained
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#67 ·
well how can we arrange all this ?
meyer left his traces
1 there is a dc voltage or pulses applied to get the molecules aligned
2 there is a pulse reversal to induce the resonance on the water molecule
3 when the pulses hits again at a frequency where it make the water resonance increase the energy level the molecule falls apart
4 when this happens a sort of low resistance state could happen so pulse is turned of for a bit (gate)
so the resonance is a frequency that is one multiple of one of the vibrational frequencies of water a specific number in theory and just an approximation in real life
the resonant circuit must be arranged to set up and maintain this tuned condition
hope this thoughts can help anyway
in my mere opinion there are some hiden secrets on meyer system
one is the diode type
another is how the capacitance of the coils add up with the secondary colapse reversal thru the diode at a certain voltage
meyer impedance circuit show this capacitors in parallel with the coils this mean that when the sistem colapse the pulse sent to the water is the sum of this high voltage capacitors plus the secondary high voltage discharge
this voltage at this capacitances need to be high because when it get to the water it will be reduced too
is important that the resonant frequency of the coils are smaller than the frequency we want to use or just the same as this will allow the most of power to go to water ... however this frequency must be tuned to the water frequency and this is a subharmonic of a very high frequency,... the discharge time of the pulse must be also a sub lengh of the wavelengh
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is impressive how clear i can look at it now! i kind of im sure if i could take some time over it we could get it to work ... meyer told the true for us but we missed some knowledge and patience to look at it with kiss method...
i believe the diode is one of the main secrets ever in this technology and the best way i could try to use it is somehow if you know how many transistors i burned in the past and how i solved the problem of burning them you know what diode i talk about
well what i can tell is that the power must go to the water and not get dissipated on the primary side never now i can clearly see that this is one of what i was doing very wrong .. unfortunately lack money is what lead me to this situation... because i could not let more transistors burn.. hahaa well lets direct the power elsewhere in the circuit
i believe duty cycle can and should be increase to make it easier to get the system going
draw this ckt
isolated battery
primary connected to positive of it and to a mosfet drain... source connected to battery negative
secondary connected also to the positive dc that is going to the primary , after the diode the choke is connected .. having a capacitor in parallel if needed (HV one) than connected to the cell anode
the choke allow the cell to charge while the choke capacitance is charged
at the cell cathode the other choke is connected and it goes to the drain of the mosfet too!
this make the primary sum up with secondary during discharge and it also create a shorter wave thru the line because it being a step up the primary will have lower inductance thus higher speed in discharge its inductive power...
the coil resistance or and a series variable resistor control the current charge in water and it can have a diode in parallel with it to protect from the power pulse
consider how kelly slater surf pool work
if everything is isolated from ground and the output gas is positive than there is going to be a negative potential on the system (free electrons that can be used with a real ground)
so the ecc circuit now can do its work
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#69 ·
conclusion the chokes plus the secondary form a pulse forming network system that charges thru and discharges all the energy on the water later, the diode is key to let the secondary become part of it also on the discharge time..
the charging will align the molecules and polarize them electronically, the discharging will induce the resonance in the molecule
the circuit is tuned to a certain water resonant frequency . the pulses are interrupted or gated when the system reach resonance of the molecule to allow the molecule to rearrange ..
when a gas go out with positive polarity and the cell remain negative it will become an electron source reversely it become a sync it can be whatever depending on how the system of discharge is designed...
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is impressive how clear i can look at it now! i kind of im sure if i could take some time over it we could get it to work ... meyer told the true for us but we missed some knowledge and patience to look at it with kiss method...
i believe the diode is one of the main secrets ever in this technology and the best way i could try to use it is somehow if you know how many transistors i burned in the past and how i solved the problem of burning them you know what diode i talk about
well what i can tell is that the power must go to the water and not get dissipated on the primary side never now i can clearly see that this is one of what i was doing very wrong .. unfortunately lack money is what lead me to this situation... because i could not let more transistors burn.. hahaa well lets direct the power elsewhere in the circuit
i believe duty cycle can and should be increase to make it easier to get the system going
draw this ckt
isolated battery
primary connected to it and to a mosfet drain... source connected to battery negative
secondary connected to the positive dc going to the primary too but thru a diode
after the diode the choke is connected .. having a capacitor in parallel if needed (HV one) than connected to the cell
the choke allow the cell to charge while the choke capacitance is charged
on the other side of the cell the other choke is connected and it goes to the drain too!
if everything is isolated from ground and the output gas is positive than there is going to be a negative potential on the system (free electrons that can be used with a real ground)
so the ecc circuit now can do its work
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#71 ·
conclusion the chokes plus the secondary form a pulse forming network system that charges thru and discharges all the energy on the water later, the diode is key to let the secondary become part of it also on the discharge time..
the charging will align the molecules and polarize them electronically, the discharging will induce the resonance in the molecule
the circuit is tuned to a certain water resonant frequency . the pulses are interrupted or gated when the system reach resonance of the molecule to allow the molecule to rearrange ..
when a gas go out with positive polarity and the cell remain negative it will become an electron source reversely it become a sync it can be whatever depending on how the system of discharge is designed... -
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i have updated that post a little hardcrome explaining better that part
it gets better
i was thinking also about another thing now, if we get salt water or water with free H+ atoms like having potassium or sodium hydroxide in it.. we could benefit of it because it would easily allow the formation of a hydrogen molecule missing one electron readily i mean a hydrogen molecule sharing one single electron +H2 as soon as the water molecule is break apart this could help fighting against recombination... there may be a optimal concentration for the size of the cell..
here is the ckt i described
(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3221.0;attach=15309)
here is the waveform
the charging at every pulse and the reverse pulse all there.. during pulse off time the coil take over maintaining the current until next pulse come..and when gate is cutting it vanish
(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3221.0;attach=15311)attachment_15309 attachment_15311 WIN_20180515_03_38_52_Pro.jpg WIN_20180515_03_52_14_Pro.jpg
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#73 ·
The main thing is to see how he was pulsing the cell. The other things come later to those who figure it out. The independent evaluation report describes what happens when you blast water with a cap. That goes along with what Meyer says in his video.
You do not pulse the chokes, you feed them. unfiltered DC. (low frequency charging the cap) Although it does not look isolated, it is when its working. Provided you don't drain it too low and are running at resonance.
The bifilar chokes, lock every thing down when the cap is fired.
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#74 ·
yes the chokes maintain the cell charged or some current going on during pulse off and its sumed with the new pulse up coming increasing the current every pulse and is resposible to imediately recharge the cell to positive after the peak pulse...
but we must remember that a capacitor is everytime discharged before.. depends only on the inductance of secondary that is low because the core is charged and capacitance of the chokes that are also low -
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The main thing is to see how he was pulsing the cell. The other things come later to those who figure it out. The independent evaluation report describes what happens when you blast water with a cap. That goes along with what Meyer says in his video.
You do not pulse the chokes, you feed them. unfiltered DC. (low frequency charging the cap) Although it does not look isolated, it is when its working. Provided you don't drain it too low and are running at resonance.
The bifilar chokes, lock every thing down when the cap is fired.
when we stop a current going in a choke it will fight against this change raising the voltage in the same direction the current was going.. but it first will have to discharge the capacitance that is charged in parallel with it
thats what is so special about it ... when we get a pulse in the line it will first charge the line and the load in our case because the pulse forming and the cell are in line connected this necessarily mean that this pulse forming is made to create a pulse that will reverse the cell with a very short spike wave but right after still maintain the polarization for a short while because of the inductance part and the dc pulses that charges the whole thing ..
i dont know if it need to be bifilar
i even believe is possible to simply split the system in two one having a capacitor and a hv transformer and the other having dc and a simple choke to choke off the high voltage spikes created with the capacitor... of course some adjustments need to be done ..
the frequency we are looking to get is a multiple of +- 100 THZ this is 1.0*10^14
thus a sub harmonic like 10khz would work assuming this vibration in water have a very high Q factor... therefore the higher is the harmonic we hit the better ....