6watts and 8 liters HHO per minute...........
Started by unknown · · 285 posts · last reply 16 May 2019
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#101 · date not recorded
The question is: Does the EEC bring something. If it does, what does it bring.
Can i measure or see it?
It appear to me that what it bring from the electronic point of view is a current in the high voltage line (referenced to ground) ... this current can be measured and compared with a test current of the neutralization of the gas
for example if we hold the cell at 40kv dc using one transformer we add a ammeter to this transformer connection to ground
on the gas output we add a metal tube to allow the gas pass thru it and discharge its charge on it ... if we ground this tube and add other ammeter there is possible to evaluate if there is ionized gas output and its polarity
the greater is the gas production the greater should be the current as it will be bringing charge with it as its bubbles breaks water surface tension
this is the first step to get on the eec
the next step would be to improove this ionization current but first we need to get any current to start with to know that we are on the right way
is important to have the amp metters that read rms values not peak otherwise wont be a good reading
also it would be great to connect to the oscilloscope and compare the waveforms since the gas ionization output theoretically will look more like dc while the trasnformer will have a pulsing caracteristics
than is possible to add a resistor on the gas side and see what voltage is possible to develop in it with such a discharge
for example we add a resistor of 10kohm if the current was 1ma it should result in 10v on the resistor
at a certain higher resistor value it wont be able to discharge the gas fully or even partially
the only way i see possible to determine the gas quality improvement would be a setup where the gas can be directed to a torch and to heat some water cup over it while measuring the temperature rise of the water relative to time it will be possible to determine weather the ionization is helping or not improve to some extent the gas quality
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#102 · date not recorded
the temperature rising setup can be arranged with a nodemcu esp8266 or esp32 using a db18s20 temperature sensor and simple program for display it on a web interface
also the ammeters and other stuf can be build around those chips too allowing to display all info on the same place
in this case for the ecc i would go for having a ammeter for the hv
one ammeter for the ionization current
a voltage metter for the gas current
the temperature rise metter
is already 4 meters with only a 2 dollar chip
the greatest problem is the torch and steady gas production
in my mere opinion we could use a simple full wave bridge design with low voltage to achieve the gas output required for testing ... must be isolated and properly protected as we are applying high voltage from elsewhere
the best way to do it is using a pair of mutual chokes and some capacitors at the input sides of the chokes connected to ground this is where one ammeter goes
the high voltage is to be applied straight to the cell and ground
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#103 · date not recorded
i had a setup that were simply a pair of concentric tubes that were into a acrylic cup having a copper foil on the outside of the acrylic cup
than i had if i remember well a high voltage coil connected to the foil and on the other side i had two diodes one connected to the inner electrode and the other to the outer
the result was bubbles of gas being generated that when arrived the surface of water it was clearly moved toward the cup sides.... meaning it was indeed charged,,,
another way that worked was to have one diode connected to the central electrode and a coil conneted from the foil to the outer electrode
basically this circuit alowed to use the acrylic as a capacitor being the water the other side of the capacitor
the water was very pure on this tests so the gas output was very small but clearly charged
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#104 · date not recorded
today i would improve this setup with new knowledge i have
i would sand paper the outside of the acrylic cup and add a coat of pencil graphite this allow for increasing 3 fold the capacitance...
the acrylic must be as thin as possible.. would be even better polycarbonate or polipropilene PP
even glass should work and probably would be thinner and more heat resistant in case of some arching .,.. i would not skip the sanding paper part with the glass either
a becker could work very well
is necessary to understand the properties of the glass material as some will be low in resistance
something like 10cm diameter should work nice
i think the purer is the water the higher will be the chance to get it ionized as its splited but i can be wrong
we know that if we place one test charge inside a conductor it will necessaryly be attracted to the conductor and goes toward it unless its in a equilibrium situation
for example if we charge the inside of the water bath positive the inner wall of the bath capacitor (glass) will be positive so it would reppel positive charges it would attract only if the charges were negative... but as the water is somewhat a conductor the positive charges wont be able to stay still too... -
#105 ·
you could say that a coil in parallel is some kind of EEC.......ill gues -
#106 · date not recorded
Yeas thats the idea i guess....
if we get a transformer with one coil bigger than the other and connect the smaller in series and bigger in parallel with the cell both with the dot convention on the cell side... and apply a voltage to it :
the smaller coil will apply a emf on the bigger coil that is already receiving a voltage but will be able to let amps flow thru it so i imagine working like an alternative path to the amps to flow instead of the high voltage secondary
see the picture
when the pulse collapse t2 will send a very high negative pulse to the water in one my theories it will break the covalent bound by inducing the resonance in the molecule..
if the water is not pure enough it wont have a spike like effect... the water must be pure to be able to use a coil to discharge high voltage across it... (fact)
if we want to get high voltage on low resistance a capacitor will have much more impact
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#107 · date not recorded
on this second drawing i split it into 3 parts
one is the input transformer creating the resonance between the c1 and chokes but sending unidirectional voltage to water
the second part is the chokes c2 protect the diodes by not allowing high voltage to appear there so the chokes allow dc to be applied while the cell receive the spikes from the other circuit
the third part is the high voltage spike t3 and c3 will send one positive and one negative charging and discharging the capacitor that may be very small to be able to get very high speed discharge
maybe it could or should be impedance matched with the cell to not have power reflections..
the chokes modulates their current to filter the high voltage spike not allowing the spike to reach the diodes and if it reach the c2 is there to limit the voltage rise ... a tvs could be there to protect the bridge too but a capacitor may be better i imagine a 100nf 1kv is ok
for the c1 maybe 10nf is enough if water is very pure .,,
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#108 · date not recorded
i found that if the waveform meyer used is real there is only two ways of achieving that
one is to directly use resonance and apply it using a full wave bridge rectifier
the second is to rectify with the full wave bridge and filter it using a capacitor and a coil
here is an example
there is also a tuned choke notice how the doubled frequency is sincronized with the tuned
$ 1 5.0000000000000004e-8 13.097415321081861 39 5 43
r 16 80 64 80 0 0.1
r 432 48 432 160 0 1000
T 64 80 160 128 2 0.002 5 -5.119296001649148 0.6830204695130128 0.99
c 256 128 224 128 0 1.0000000000000001e-7 -67.64292102483705
d 256 80 352 48 1 0.805904783
d 352 160 256 80 1 0.805904783
d 256 128 352 48 1 0.805904783
d 352 160 256 128 1 0.805904783
c 464 48 464 160 0 1e-9 611.9014472755616
w 464 160 432 160 0
w 464 48 432 48 0
v 16 128 16 80 0 2 5000 100 0 0 0.5
w 64 128 32 128 0
w 32 128 16 128 0
w 160 80 256 80 0
g 464 272 464 304 0
c 464 272 464 160 0 1e-10 -5382.877015599755
l 352 160 352 112 0 0.01 -0.6830201266465822
w 352 48 432 48 0
c 352 48 352 112 0 1e-8 612.5005192834187
w 384 112 432 160 0
r 384 112 352 112 0 1
d 240 208 352 256 1 0.805904783
g 352 256 352 288 0
T 160 128 208 192 4 0.01 26 0.6830204695130131 0.021215383748344595 0.99
w 224 128 160 192 0
w 208 128 208 48 0
w 208 48 352 48 0
g 208 192 208 208 0
o 1 64 0 4354 1115.1179482111302 0.0001 0 2 1 3
o 1 64 0 12553 0.0001 0.6742331271812282 1 2 1 3
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o 11 64 1 29443 0.0001 0.0001 2 1 574.3642737697833
o 16 64 0 4099 40960 0.1 3 2 16 3
matching the impedance is just a matter of identifying the resistance of the cell to real dc and apply the same reactances for inductor and capacitor the resistance can be zero if you want zero loss ..
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#109 ·
i made a hand drawing to help visualize what happens when the cell is charged with dc and the switch is open .. it made me wonder about the usefulness of the ground
when we ground one electrode of the cell essentially,( correct me if i´m wrong please..) essentially the electrode will be at 0v potential meaning that if we charge the cell the other electrode will be at the respective voltage level we applied
in capacitors the charges works in pairs its not different for the capacitor generally if the charges are at a certain potential..!
however i was wondering if in a capacitor having ions it has any difference
i imagine that if we ground for example the positive electrode and send a negative pulse to the other can be different than grounding the negative electrode and sending a positive pulse to the other
because when we disconnect the pulse the ions inside will keep attracted more or less than the other to the ground for example..
i imagine hydrogen positive ions will be more attracted to the ground than negative ions will be attracted by a negative voltage so perhaps the difference is that we can attract the heaviest one and leave mostly the other free to move or vice versa.. .
the ions will only discharge if an electron pass thru the ckt and discharge both positive and negative at same time
if we hold the cell at high voltage for example in reference to ground it can ionize some molecules but the main idea is that at this electrode the negative ions should get stuck
so if we want the other ion to move we need to apply a voltage to drive it elsewhere
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#110 ·
Hi,I had an interesting conversation with a man from the beginning of the topic....half of his explanation I understood and half I did not.
He use Dave Lawton PLL as a signal generator and yes, you can buy or just buy PCB, two Stanley Meyer's HV switches, not complicated to make. I got that part how to connect PLL to 2x switches but rest is unclear to me. I was hoping to get answers from people who understand it but this went over my head
Yes, this may seem like he explains * how to drive a car, but that's how it is 
"The WFC Circuit is just a Rectifier & Two ‘Stanley Meyer High Voltage Switches’ where one Switch Charges the WFC Gated at LC Resonance with an 8XA Coil & the other Switch ‘Short Circuits’ the WFC & by-passes the 8XA Coil at LC Resonance into an external ‘Light Bulb & Battery Array’ Load as the Electron Extraction Circuit… A Variable Inductor is used for Tuning the Circuit. This is Very SIMPLE & will produce a Minimum of 300% Faraday’s to 1,700% Faraday’s simple Electrolysis at around 0.05 Amps or 1/20th of an Amp… Once this is understood, you can start using Toroids, Ignition Coils or Tesla Coils."
"All you need is the 'Potential and the Frequency'. The Electrons can come from the Power (Enslavement) Grids Neutral, an Earthed Rod in your Back Yard or the Covalent Bonds in Water itself. In Auckland New Zealand and Darwin of Australia people have been using the 'LIVE' Phase connection from the Power Grid and an Earthed Rod as a Neutral to power their Hydrponic Lights for years... In New Zealand a guy in debt to a Motor Cycle Gang gave them A Box that when connected to a 'LIVE' Phase and a separate Earth powered a Warehouse with Electrons from the Earth ...All your interested in is the Potential and Frequency
Just look at (Google) 'A Vector Potentials'."
"If you have the original Lawton PLL you can hook up to any switch directly from the Diode Light to an optociuple. If you have the original SCR you can hook the Diode Light up to the side connections that you'd normally connect any Frequency Generator to."
"So you have your Dave Lawton Pll just remove the Switch and connect three wires that you can then connect to your optocouple. Easy!... you really need to Switch BACK-EMF Im-Pulses and not Hot Electricity from a Variac."
"If you understand how to remove the LED and hook it to your SCR then all you do is build two SCR Circuits and instead of using an SCR you pick out a PNP and an NPN so you get an alternation using the same signal. So one Switch Charges the WFC and the other Switch Short Circuits it using a Variac Transformer. The gist of it, is Charging the Water Fuel Cell then Short Circuiting it, the PLL will do this automatically... The reason Faradays Electrolysis gets Hot is because it is the Load, using the Stanley Meyer method the Load is external to the Water Fuel Cell, it still uses Amperage but externalises the Heat/EM Losses component into a Light Bulb... It's like Charging a Battery and it gets Hot because it is the Load while its Charging but, when you discharge the Battery like in a Laptop the Pentium Chip gets Hot because it's the Load and the Laptop Battery remains Cold to touch, so a Stanley Meyer Water Fuel Cell externalises the Load. Once you get this, then you'll get that the most efficient way to charge a Capacitor that stores Charge is to use Back EMF Im-Pulses then you'll see your efficiencies increase! ... It's all about externalising the Heat component then increasing the efficiency of the Cell, my Cells hooked up to a 3.25 KVA generator- if School Girls in Africa can build this SHIT with Junk Parts anyone in the Western World can build this!"
"... The simplest way for you to hook it up is, instead of the PLL Switch going to the Cell, you need to remove that Switch. You need to directly Switch your Optocouple so you need to remove that Switch and Solder it up yourself because it is a NEGATIVE Switch. Your just making it hard for yourself not removing the Switch from your PPL Circuit because you need that Positive Signal. Once this is done you'll have Two POSITIVE Switch outputs: 1. The Light Emitting Diode & 2. The Positive Signal that previously Switched the NEGATIVE Switch that you have now removed. SIMPLE! If you built your own SCR Circuit you can easily build another one OK. ... You need a NPN so you can collect the Back EMF Im-Pulses off the NEGATIVE at Switch Closure using Blocking Diodes on the Negative. ... You also need a PNP and what this does is it only Switches ON when the Pin is NEGATIVE so the same signal Switches Two separate Switches. The NPN Charges the Cell with Back EMF Im-Pulses and the PNP Short Circuits the Cell with a Light Bulb on the Positive of the Cell to CONSUME all Amperage from the Water Fuel Cell... Its NOT Rocket Science!"
"All you do is remove it and you need the Potentential and the Neutral and you can use the one signal to power two seperate Opto-Couples with one Opto for the NPN which has Diodes off the Negative of a Coil to collect the Back-EMF Im-Pulses that go to the Positive of your Water Fuel Cell and the Negative Side of your Water Fuel Cell is connected to the Positive Side of your Coil... I know this sounds like it doesn't make sense but, the Water Fuel Cell is only being Charged with Back EMF Im-Pulses when the NPN closes. then seperate to this the other Opto is for the PNP which has a Light Bulb on the Positive Side of the Water Fuel Cell then the PNP. SO WHEN THIS IS FED WITH A SQUARE WAVE YOU GET AN ALTERNATING SIGNAL : P, N,P, N, P, N, P ECT. you can even Postulate the OFF NPN's Back-EMF Im-Pulse takes place while the Short Circuit PNP is On and therefore the Light Bulb is powered by the Back EMF Im-Pulse but it can't because theres no Amperage therefore the Amperage can only come from the Water Fuel Cell Capacitor. during its Short Circuit. You'll know when its built right"
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#111 ·
Hi,I had an interesting conversation with a man from the beginning of the topic....half of his explanation I understood and half I did not.
He use Dave Lawton PLL as a signal generator and yes, you can buy or just buy PCB, two Stanley Meyer's HV switches, not complicated to make. I got that part how to connect PLL to 2x switches but rest is unclear to me. I was hoping to get answers from people who understand is but this went over my head Yes, this may seem like he explains * how to drive a car, but that's how it is
"The WFC Circuit is just a Rectifier & Two ‘Stanley Meyer High Voltage Switches’ where one Switch Charges the WFC Gated at LC Resonance with an 8XA Coil & the other Switch ‘Short Circuits’ the WFC & by-passes the 8XA Coil at LC Resonance into an external ‘Light Bulb & Battery Array’ Load as the Electron Extraction Circuit… A Variable Inductor is used for Tuning the Circuit. This is Very SIMPLE & will produce a Minimum of 300% Faraday’s to 1,700% Faraday’s simple Electrolysis at around 0.05 Amps or 1/20th of an Amp… Once this is understood, you can start using Toroids, Ignition Coils or Tesla Coils."
"All you need is the 'Potential and the Frequency'. The Electrons can come from the Power (Enslavement) Grids Neutral, an Earthed Rod in your Back Yard or the Covalent Bonds in Water itself. In Auckland New Zealand and Darwin of Australia people have been using the 'LIVE' Phase connection from the Power Grid and an Earthed Rod as a Neutral to power their Hydrponic Lights for years... In New Zealand a guy in debt to a Motor Cycle Gang gave them A Box that when connected to a 'LIVE' Phase and a separate Earth powered a Warehouse with Electrons from the Earth ...All your interested in is the Potential and Frequency
Just look at (Google) 'A Vector Potentials'.?
If you have the original Lawton PLL you can hook up to any switch directly from the Diode Light to an optociuple. If you have the original SCR you can hook the Diode Light up to the side connections that you'd normally connect any Frequency Generator to.?
So you have your Dave Lawton Pll just remove the Switch and connect three wires that you can then connect to your optocouple. Easy!... you really need to Switch BACK-EMF Im-Pulses and not Hot Electricity from a Variac.?
If you understand how to remove the LED and hook it to your SCR then all you do is build two SCR Circuits and instead of using an SCR you pick out a PNP and an NPN so you get an alternation using the same signal. So one Switch Charges the WFC and the other Switch Short Circuits it using a Variac Transformer. The gist of it, is Charging the Water Fuel Cell then Short Circuiting it, the PLL will do this automatically... The reason Faradays Electrolysis gets Hot is because it is the Load, using the Stanley Meyer method the Load is external to the Water Fuel Cell, it still uses Amperage but externalises the Heat/EM Losses component into a Light Bulb... It's like Charging a Battery and it gets Hot because it is the Load while its Charging but, when you discharge the Battery like in a Laptop the Pentium Chip gets Hot because it's the Load and the Laptop Battery remains Cold to touch, so a Stanley Meyer Water Fuel Cell externalises the Load. Once you get this, then you'll get that the most efficient way to charge a Capacitor that stores Charge is to use Back EMF Im-Pulses then you'll see your efficiencies increase! ... It's all about externalising the Heat component then increasing the efficiency of the Cell, my Cells hooked up to a 3.25 KVA generator- if School Girls in Africa can build this SHIT with Junk Parts anyone in the Western World can build this!?
... The simplest way for you to hook it up is, instead of the PLL Switch going to the Cell, you need to remove that Switch. You need to directly Switch your Optocouple so you need to remove that Switch and Solder it up yourself because it is a NEGATIVE Switch. Your just making it hard for yourself not removing the Switch from your PPL Circuit because you need that Positive Signal. Once this is done you'll have Two POSITIVE Switch outputs: 1. The Light Emitting Diode & 2. The Positive Signal that previously Switched the NEGATIVE Switch that you have now removed. SIMPLE! If you built your own SCR Circuit you can easily build another one OK. ... You need a NPN so you can collect the Back EMF Im-Pulses off the NEGATIVE at Switch Closure using Blocking Diodes on the Negative. ... You also need a PNP and what this does is it only Switches ON when the Pin is NEGATIVE so the same signal Switches Two separate Switches. The NPN Charges the Cell with Back EMF Im-Pulses and the PNP Short Circuits the Cell with a Light Bulb on the Positive of the Cell to CONSUME all Amperage from the Water Fuel Cell... Its NOT Rocket Science!?
All you do is remove it and you need the Potentential and the Neutral and you can use the one signal to power two seperate Opto-Couples with one Opto for the NPN which has Diodes off the Negative of a Coil to collect the Back-EMF Im-Pulses that go to the Positive of your Water Fuel Cell and the Negative Side of your Water Fuel Cell is connected to the Positive Side of your Coil... I know this sounds like it doesn't make sense but, the Water Fuel Cell is only being Charged with Back EMF Im-Pulses when the NPN closes. then seperate to this the other Opto is for the PNP which has a Light Bulb on the Positive Side of the Water Fuel Cell then the PNP. SO WHEN THIS IS FED WITH A SQUARE WAVE YOU GET AN ALTERNATING SIGNAL : P, N,P, N, P, N, P ECT. you can even Postulate the OFF NPN's Back-EMF Im-Pulse takes place while the Short Circuit PNP is On and therefore the Light Bulb is powered by the Back EMF Im-Pulse but it can't because theres no Amperage therefore the Amperage can only come from the Water Fuel Cell Capacitor. during its Short Circuit. You'll know when its built right"
So you had contact with the man of the video,s?
Thanks for posting, btw. I need some days to proces this. I will make a schematic as good as i understand ....
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#112 · date not recorded
Yes, i just wanted some simple scheme or how wires are connected but he insisted on educating me at academic level but I do not have that kind of knowledge...i will draw in paint how i understood PLL to 2x HV SCR and some other "stuf". About NPN PNP transistors is astrophysics to me but i bet it's simple if I could see it. -
#113 · date not recorded
is good to understand how the things work but is not what we want when we simply want to build something.. a good schematic sometimes get some great result in learning,,,
dealing with electronics is a pain in the * if you dont know what you r doing.. i can tell you that i spend literaly tens of thousands of dollars burning components until i learn how to use them a little better
i highly suggest that you go and understand how a mosfet works how many volts you need to turn it on how high voltage or current it handle and how to protect the mosfet from burn while pulsing coils
the main ingredient in safety are resistors diodes tvs diodes and capacitors
also other coils on the same core can be useful directing the energy in other direction than the switch that will break if you gone wild
is really easy actually
i tried to read what he explained to you but for me is a bit confuse so i could not understand the schematic at all
i guess he was playing you or was confuse himself with the explanation
first thing to notice is that an scr is not going to open the ckt unless the voltage between anode and cathode is small enough to not allow a hold current..
using inductors wisely is possible to even switch dc with them but it takes some work to do it
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#114 ·
It would be good for a few people draw simple shematic or how wires are connected from two SCR to WFC how you see ti even if they don't think that it is possible.
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#115 ·
is a bit confusing what the guy says but mainly what i understand from it is that you need to power up the cell and when it is disconnected it will be connected to a external coil having an incandecent bulb attached to it
it appear to me he try to take the back emf of the cell itself out generating power somehow,..
the cell is basically a resistor when water is very pure the voltage will be proportional to the amps flowing thru it
when water has a base or acid it will have free ions and their movement will cause a current to flow..
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#116 ·
is a bit confusing what the guy says but mainly what i understand from it is that you need to power up the cell and when it is disconnected it will be connected to a external coil having an incandecent bulb attached to it
it appear to me he try to take the back emf of the cell itself out generating power somehow,..
the cell is basically a resistor when water is very pure the voltage will be proportional to the amps flowing thru it
when water has a base or acid it will have free ions and their movement will cause a current to flow..
when we apply energy to a capacitor some energy is lost when charging it related to the resistive losses
there is even a situation possible to calculate when a charged capacitor is connected to another of the same size half the energy simply disappear mathematically however is not dissipated its a matter of destroy the electromagnetic energy such as happen with wave interference.. the back emf voltage itself stops the current when the capacitors reach the same level..
with inductor the voltage is not in the same direction because as i tried to explain before in other posts the inductor works by separating a charge density in the metal this causes the charges to have a attraction to each other inside the coil itself so when we disconnect the source they simply volktage go backwards but in the in the inductor case backwards is in the same direction for the electrons -
#117 · date not recorded
just a link with the best frequency generator with gating option and Eec ......
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,2643.0.html
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#118 · date not recorded
quote:
"The WFC Circuit is just a Rectifier & Two ‘Stanley Meyer High Voltage Switches’ where one Switch Charges the WFC Gated at LC Resonance with an 8XA Coil & the other Switch ‘Short Circuits’ the WFC & by-passes the 8XA Coil at LC Resonance into an external ‘Light Bulb & Battery Array’ Load as the Electron Extraction Circuit… A Variable Inductor is used for Tuning the Circuit. This is Very SIMPLE & will produce a Minimum of 300% Faraday’s to 1,700% Faraday’s simple Electrolysis at around 0.05 Amps or 1/20th of an Amp… Once this is understood, you can start using Toroids, Ignition Coils or Tesla Coils."
"All you need is the 'Potential and the Frequency'. The Electrons can come from the Power (Enslavement) Grids Neutral, an Earthed Rod in your Back Yard or the Covalent Bonds in Water itself. In Auckland New Zealand and Darwin of Australia people have been using the 'LIVE' Phase connection from the Power Grid and an Earthed Rod as a Neutral to power their Hydrponic Lights for years... In New Zealand a guy in debt to a Motor Cycle Gang gave them A Box that when connected to a 'LIVE' Phase and a separate Earth powered a Warehouse with Electrons from the Earth ...All your interested in is the Potential and Frequency
Just look at (Google) 'A Vector Potentials'.?
If you have the original Lawton PLL you can hook up to any switch directly from the Diode Light to an optociuple. If you have the original SCR you can hook the Diode Light up to the side connections that you'd normally connect any Frequency Generator to.?
So you have your Dave Lawton Pll just remove the Switch and connect three wires that you can then connect to your optocouple. Easy!... you really need to Switch BACK-EMF Im-Pulses and not Hot Electricity from a Variac.?
If you understand how to remove the LED and hook it to your SCR then all you do is build two SCR Circuits and instead of using an SCR you pick out a PNP and an NPN so you get an alternation using the same signal. So one Switch Charges the WFC and the other Switch Short Circuits it using a Variac Transformer. The gist of it, is Charging the Water Fuel Cell then Short Circuiting it, the PLL will do this automatically... The reason Faradays Electrolysis gets Hot is because it is the Load, using the Stanley Meyer method the Load is external to the Water Fuel Cell, it still uses Amperage but externalises the Heat/EM Losses component into a Light Bulb... It's like Charging a Battery and it gets Hot because it is the Load while its Charging but, when you discharge the Battery like in a Laptop the Pentium Chip gets Hot because it's the Load and the Laptop Battery remains Cold to touch, so a Stanley Meyer Water Fuel Cell externalises the Load. Once you get this, then you'll get that the most efficient way to charge a Capacitor that stores Charge is to use Back EMF Im-Pulses then you'll see your efficiencies increase! ... It's all about externalising the Heat component then increasing the efficiency of the Cell, my Cells hooked up to a 3.25 KVA generator- if School Girls in Africa can build this SHIT with Junk Parts anyone in the Western World can build this!?
... The simplest way for you to hook it up is, instead of the PLL Switch going to the Cell, you need to remove that Switch. You need to directly Switch your Optocouple so you need to remove that Switch and Solder it up yourself because it is a NEGATIVE Switch. Your just making it hard for yourself not removing the Switch from your PPL Circuit because you need that Positive Signal. Once this is done you'll have Two POSITIVE Switch outputs: 1. The Light Emitting Diode & 2. The Positive Signal that previously Switched the NEGATIVE Switch that you have now removed. SIMPLE! If you built your own SCR Circuit you can easily build another one OK. ... You need a NPN so you can collect the Back EMF Im-Pulses off the NEGATIVE at Switch Closure using Blocking Diodes on the Negative. ... You also need a PNP and what this does is it only Switches ON when the Pin is NEGATIVE so the same signal Switches Two separate Switches. The NPN Charges the Cell with Back EMF Im-Pulses and the PNP Short Circuits the Cell with a Light Bulb on the Positive of the Cell to CONSUME all Amperage from the Water Fuel Cell... Its NOT Rocket Science!?
All you do is remove it and you need the Potentential and the Neutral and you can use the one signal to power two seperate Opto-Couples with one Opto for the NPN which has Diodes off the Negative of a Coil to collect the Back-EMF Im-Pulses that go to the Positive of your Water Fuel Cell and the Negative Side of your Water Fuel Cell is connected to the Positive Side of your Coil... I know this sounds like it doesn't make sense but, the Water Fuel Cell is only being Charged with Back EMF Im-Pulses when the NPN closes. then seperate to this the other Opto is for the PNP which has a Light Bulb on the Positive Side of the Water Fuel Cell then the PNP. SO WHEN THIS IS FED WITH A SQUARE WAVE YOU GET AN ALTERNATING SIGNAL : P, N,P, N, P, N, P ECT. you can even Postulate the OFF NPN's Back-EMF Im-Pulse takes place while the Short Circuit PNP is On and therefore the Light Bulb is powered by the Back EMF Im-Pulse but it can't because theres no Amperage therefore the Amperage can only come from the Water Fuel Cell Capacitor. during its Short Circuit. You'll know when its built right"
it took a while, but here is my schematic on how i think you can explain what the videomaker is doing.
I use back emf for charging the WFC, as i have done years ago, so i know it works.
In addition, i added the EEC in such a way that the charging of the coil and the discharging of the WFC are in Phase 1.
In Phase 2, the WFC gets the BEMF to charge.
I added the lawton pll output from the hef4050b chip pin2. If the mosfet is still on the board then please remove it (62N15P). Pin 2 goes to that mosfet....
BTW, any other squarewave frequency generator will work. It doesnt have to be a PLL Lawton board.
Feel free to ask any questions.......
cheers!
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#119 · date not recorded
and here the simulator text file. For the simulator link, see on top of the Forum, on the right.
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#120 · date not recorded
More info:
I use the Ion Generator from Oatley Electronics (Australia) to Negatively Charge the intake Air.
How the Covalent OFF Switch works!
Radiant Energy is basically Back-EMF & the purpose of the 8XA Tesla Choke is to dampen the Back-EMF Im-Pulses from detonating (Exploding) the Water. Meyer explains that the High Voltage Field induces ‘Electron Movement’ within the Water Molecules/Atoms causing the Water to Split. In 2005 Naohiro Shimuzu discovered that ultra-short pulses with a width of 300ns has the ability to Split Water. The dominant theory is that, of a Bloch Wall being a pure Potential Field that exists at the centre of the Electrodes that effects the Covalent Bond Electrons (Consumed by a Light Bulb) & this causes the Water to breakdown into HHO Gases.
All you do is you take Water & you expose it to Radiant Energy (Back EMF Im-Pulses) & you get FREE Electricity by the Water Fuel Cell Capacitor acting as a Converter compressing this Radiant Energy into Amperage during the ‘Short Circuits’ & a by-product of this process is FREE HHO Gases.
Basically if NO Electrons are entering from the Cathode, then the Electrons are then ‘RIPPED’ from the Water to fill the Holes in the Anode & as you pull Covalent Bond Electrons from the Water, the Water Molecules will Break Down into HHO Gases. First you’ll have an Ionisation when Water loses one Electron & then you’ll get a Dis-Association when they lose two Electrons. All the Electrons are built up & then they’re drawn off from the Circuit in what is known as the ‘Electron Extraction Circuit’ & this Energy is powering a Light Bulb & an optional Battery Array.
So you get FREE DC Current off the Water Fuel Cell in direct proportion to the amount of HHO Gases that is produced. You could have a Water Fuel Cell & the Current that comes off this Charges a Battery Array & the Batteries could be connected to an Inverter that then Powers an entire House. Allot of people have already used these extracted Electrons from Water to power Motors & Fans.
Firstly Water is an Un-Limited supply of Covalent Bond Electrons & then Secondly as a by-product of this ‘Electron Extraction’ FREE HHO Gases are produced. The decomposition of Matter is really about the Decomposition of ‘Creation’ & then using these extracted Covalent Bond Electrons as a Power Source. The significance of this is ‘Mind Blowing’. A Tesla application of this Technology was called the Cathode Ray Propulsion which decomposes Matter in the direction of Travel. I’d read about the theoretical aspects of this back in the early 90’s which just seemed too Fantastic to believe way back then. -
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is nice to see the way people try to explain
i could not understand what he meant however
unfortunately this is not the science language so is kind of hard to get what he meant for sure... is like reading about the color of a giraffe or zebra...
the 300ns pulse is one good point... and is what is the timescales i´m working on!
this is the timescales where water will behave as capacitor (being the water pure!)
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#122 · date not recorded
Like 10 years ago, somebody who was very good in this Meyer technology said: Steve, you need to go higher in voltage when you pulse a coil.
More then 100v.
He also said that the system would create electricity and that the hho gas was more like a by product....
Now we are trying to setup a bemf system with an eec circuit, i more and more understand it.
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#123 ·
the only way of doing this i think may be generating the potential from inside !
this way the h2 o2 will be a consequence!
i once tried to create a project that should work with MHD i dont know if you remember... this is a way to directly induce the power into water and get the amps out of it but i didnt completed it because it required more money and i remained with none...
the idea is to use magnets and make the water to pass thru them having electrodes to collect the electricity
i think wave energy could do this job too if we could place in there, the plates must be above one volt to discharge .
there are some ways to generate electromagnetic fields! when we change an electric field, or a magnetic field a electromagnetic field is generated for example
there are microwaves etc
i think if we wanted to use microwaves it would require some special cell to act as resonant cavity for the frequency
i believe we should use a frequency that would not heat the water much.. so the water can be tranparent to it
is there any company who design microwaves for industry that we could get some help from?
maybe ask hey how i can get a microwave thru water and capture the electric field and direct to a load?
i believe its pretty much what they do on that ´paper i posted but they dont show anything
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As your voltage source moves past zero deg. it has 0 volts of output. However, the voltage is increasing quickly. So, the electric field strength in the dielectric of the cap is changing quickly, and as the field get's stronger, it pushes more electrons out fo the positive side plate (due to increasing electric force on them created by the field). It's important here to realize that a cap is an open circuit essentially, just a specially shaped one. Therefore, current does not flow through a capacitor (ideal one here, we can talk about effect of leakage later if you like), but rather to or from one plate or the other. This causes an electric field to build in the dielectric which affects the free electrons on the other plate via electric force. To explain all that physics, we need to get into Guass' law, etc. so I won't do that here. Each plate is a relatively large chunk of conductive metal, so lots of free electrons exist in it. Many many more than are involved in a reasonable level of current flow. So, the voltage difference between plates, generated by your source will push free electrons from the negative side of the source onto the plate it's connected to. This builds an electric field within the dielectric of the cap such that electrons are pushed by the electric force out of the opposite plate. The circuit carries them back to the positive leg of your source. As more and more charge is pushed into the negative plate, the field grows stronger and more electrons are pushed off the other plate. However, since the rate of change of voltage is slowing as we reach max voltage (at 90 deg), our field strength is still increasing, but more slowly all the time. For that reason, fewer and fewer electrons are pushed off the positive plate per unit time (so current flow is getting smaller). At the point of max voltage, the rate of voltage change is zero, so there are zero more electrons being pushed off that positive plate. At that point the voltage begins to fall ,and the field weakens. This allows some of the pushed out electrons from the positive plate to come back into it. As the voltage rate of change accelerates and the voltage itself falls back toward zero volts, the rate at which electrons return to the positive plate accelerates (current rises). When the voltage is at zero, it's changing at it's max rate, so you have max current flow in the circuit (electrons are coming back to the plate as fast as they ever will for this circuit). The other half of the waveform (negative lobe of the voltage sinusoid) is the same, but switch the plates I'm calling negative and positive since voltage reverses at this point (current doesn't of course, it reversed at the 90 deg point, and will again at 270).
I suppose it could be written up more elegantly, but do you get my meaning here. Can you picture the effect of the field within the cap's dielectric and it's relationship to to electrons flowing out of or into the plates? (positive and negative voltages are not really that, they just indicate that they are associated with current vectors of opposite direction)