6watts and 8 liters HHO per minute...........
Started by unknown · · 285 posts · last reply 16 May 2019
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#176 · date not recorded
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Stan Meyer used this expression a number of times.
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Not intending to be offensive here, but it's important not to try to over complicate this. It's not that complicated beyond understanding the electronic fundamentals.
I keep updating my posts to try to be more accurate. Keep checking my previous posts from page 19 forward. -
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Timeshell, how it is supposed to measure the resonance? From what I saw from Ronnie, when we "supposed" hit the resonance current is at the maximum and only left is the wire resistance and the water bath resistivity (re).
My experiments showed me that when we wind it bifilar, with some sort of resin beween layers, at a certain frequency / condition, Voltage across each inductor reach high voltage and current rises higher than the secondary winding can reach when shorted. -
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This is where you need to have an understanding of resonant circuits, in particular LC circuits. When an LC circuit is at its resonant frequency it will perform an action based on the configuration of the L (inductor) and C (capacitor). It could either block that frequency, or only allow that frequency. In the case of the VIC, all current is blocked at resonance by the chokes if the chokes are perfectly tuned to do so. But they are not supposed to be perfectly tuned to block all current. They need to be tuned to allow just enough current so that enough electrolysis can happen to empty the gap between the WFC plates/tubes of water.
This requires a very specific design of the coils so that the coils inductance is matched to the variable range of capacitance (based on dielectric value between air and water) of the WFC for the frequency range of the pulsing to be used. And of course, the coils fields need to be opposing each other properly so that they resist each others current flow rather than assist it. If necessary, resistors can also be added to correct any errors in the frequency just as in any other resonant circuit. But of course, this can lead to losses of power as heat and should only be used only if necessary.
Coils don't need to be bifilar, but do need to be coupled correctly.
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Let me see if I understand what you are saying:
Coils shares the same core (mutual inductance), but they are opposing each other (L1 + L2 -2M ).
So, according to my (little) knowledge, the two coils act as a single coil in series with the "capacitor"?
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#180 ·
Let me see if I understand what you are saying:
Coils shares the same core (mutual inductance), but they are opposing each other (L1 + L2 -2M ).
So, according to my (little) knowledge, the two coils act as a single coil in series with the "capacitor"?
What you are saying essentially sounds correct if you mean the chokes effect on the WFC. My setup, like Ronnie's, didn't use a single core like Stan's did. Our set up, which admittedly seems a little weird to me, actually had the primary coupled with one choke on one core and the secondary coupled to the other choke on another core. The net effect was the same however as the coils were oriented so that the collapsing fields opposed their neighboring coils (choke to secondary to choke) and had the effect of limiting the current.
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#181 ·
well so far nothing new bro it just seem like the old games Ronnie used to play around... i dont mean to disrespect in any way but i´m into lot of good stuff and dont really want to lose time with puzzles... At that time Ronnie inspired some of us spend a lot of money on this 11 cell story and after all i felt like was left a side perhaps because i asked questions that he could not answer...
so if you have it working say clearly or say clearly that you dont have it... after that we can talk about infinite perhaps and hopefully get there together... i dont think playing games would help any way
if you take a look at my thread Retry 1001 there is some directions i created on how to match the impedance of the vic to the cell to force all the energy into water if i can say something... i have a good feelling about that..
nothing complicated.. i just think there must be a coil in parallel with the cell to be able to use all the vic energy..
if you want to take a look there it is http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,3226.0.html -
#182 ·
Fabio, I'm not playing games. I know how it works. I have been watching a lot of ridiculous theories over the last few years. But my own experimenting over the years supports the information that Ronnie has been providing before I met Ronnie. My discoveries started when I first spoke to you 10 years ago. And I have videos to prove my own experiments.
I'm offering clear information on my own results, but I'm not playing games either. I'm not here for attention but to be helpful. You haven't seen me here for a few years now and it's not because I didn't know these things a few years ago.
I will answer questions and provide guidance to those who want to know. And quite frankly, I challenge everyone here to dispute with evidence anything I have offered against what Stan has taught in his videos and is written in his patents. The fact of the matter really is, and I can see why it appears this way, that the only reason it looks like games to people is:
1. They are looking for some of the work to be done for them
2. They don't really understand what they are looking for in the first place
I don't say this to be offensive, but like you and everyone else, I got frustrated trying to find the final pieces of the puzzle. Ronnie didn't even directly tell me what they were but helped me to discover them. You cannot get this to work if you can't grasp the way it's supposed to work and the steps the VIC goes through to get there.
Like I said a couple days ago, I'm not going to get into an argument over this. I am just as happy to disappear from this discussion if nobody really wants to know. -
#183 ·
I just want to let the situation be as clear as possible.. we all are here some since over 13 years now and ever since wanting to know...
people is not guilty of have not being so shine to figure for them selfs..
but be sure most here spend their money and time to try build it from their heart
i even went to the university to try learn more and be of more help and the result was a big dont work
i guess we even talk on skype few years ago =D
so i dont know what you expect from us but be sure if you give us something good we have not a sigle reason to not be forever thankfull to you
i dont expect getting all the work done and what i look for in this last years is a manner to improove our life reducing the demand for dirty energy...
i´m being as cristal as i can everytime i have something to say perhaps tomorow i dont have this chance again.. so after so much time lost i´m tired of puzzles and games to make and to play... i wrote more than 3000 posts so far is a lot of junk to digest
there is not a single reason to keep any knowledge for yourself
so please just show what you think you have, hopefully you indeed have something to share..
this is my feeling about ronnie perhaps he even found something but the fear prevented him to make the next step and find out if he found something meaningfull or something that most already did...
thats why i forgot about gaming with our co-workers... is more usefull to only waste time to write usefull info instead of puzzles... questioning is aways good but if no one know the answer is a endless game with no winner...
hope you found something for real
we need this since a long ago
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#184 ·
Fabio, I really feel your frustration for you and everyone else here. Honestly, I don't know what else to tell you. Stan has given the schematics for the VIC minus the inductance and capacitance values. And rightly so because they will change based on the WFC being used. All that is left is, what do you do with it. And I have given you all the information you already need to know to do so. As has Ronnie.
Make a spreadsheet in Excel or LibreOffice Sheets.
Make a section for each coil (primary, secondary, choke1, choke2)
Make a section for the WFC
Calculate the fequencies, voltages, resistances, impedances and reactances for each of these based on min and max values and sizes
Design your WFC and VIC coils in the Stan Meyer style with these parameters in mind.
This is almost ALL the information you need along with what I have already told you. -
#185 ·
nothing new
where is the effect? what is the effect? how much water you break per minute?
voltage? amps.. what is your cell...
everything you said we all individually already done.. -
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#187 ·
well i agree with this idea... we actually were discussing about it... about having dc and pulsed dc over it but with an oposite bang to break the bonds .. i talked a lot and had no opportunity to finish yet..
you are electrical engineer too ?
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#188 ·
I used this method to charge and maintain a charge on my cell and afterward remove the power to it and it then continued to produce gas without power. I did this 8 or 9 years ago. I have a video showing it. At the time I didn't realize what I had. I don't remember offhand, although I say it in the video, but I think it kept making gas for more than an hour or two.... maybe even longer.
I have an engineer's brain. -
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what you mean remove power? for how long it generated? vigorously?
how much power? what cell size? material?
i would love to see it ...where is the video?
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#190 · date not recorded
what you mean remove power? for how long it generated? vigorously?
how much power? what cell size? material?
i would love to see it ...where is the video?
I don't remember how long, but it was long enough to be a significant result. It wasn't a mind blowing amount of gas, but it was very obvious that it was still being generated even though the electricity was turned off. At that time, I was using a single cell, the inner pipe being 2" long, the outer pipe being 1" long. 314L with 304, don't remember which was which, but I think the inner tube was the 304.
At the time, I was theorizing the need for a continuous low voltage to be kept on the cell to keep the water molecules aligned. I tried this a few ways and I don't remember the specific way I had done it. But obviously it had a result. I wrote about it before here at IonizationX. At that time I called it priming the cell. The idea was it needed an initial low, continuous charge to align the water just like an older water pump may need to be primed to work for the first time. As Ronnie stated in the link I posted above, this is necessary in order to charge the cell.
He said:QuoteYou never want the voltage to fall below this voltage because it sets up the polarization process and low gas production and it can never be lost. As you can see this is a constant pulse voltage with no gating at all.
I'm trying to find the video. I watched it a few months ago, but right now I don't remember where it is. I will post it as soon as I find it. -
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Timeshell I still dont understand that part of two cores where primary is in different core than secondary... The choke coupled to the primary will be basically a secondary and the supposed secondary the real choke...
Damn, this is confusing... -
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Timeshell I still dont understand that part of two cores where primary is in different core than secondary... The choke coupled to the primary will be basically a secondary and the supposed secondary the real choke...
Damn, this is confusing...
Yah, I hear you there...thing is, it works. So, I wouldn't spend too much time worrying about it.
That's not to say it wouldn't work another way however. The important thing is that the coils are properly designed for the corresponding reactances with the WFC for the desired frequency range. -
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Could there be a chance Stan was ahead of Witricity with 2nd resonance technology or is it totally off base with that? -
#194 ·
look at this paper about high energetic events in water electrolys..1701.03927.pdf
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#195 ·
Could there be a chance Stan was ahead of Witricity with 2nd resonance technology or is it totally off base with that?
what do you mean ? i didnt understood...
TS
if the gas generated was so small in your test, how can you tell us that it were indeed working?
ii already build some cells where it aparently was producing the gas still after the power was took out but after some minutes it was gone...
steve and i had lot of discussions about it while i was still living in europe... at that time there was someone interested into the experiments we were running and they asked us about the gibbs free energy of the system we were working at
after some years i learned that sometimes can have a potential difference because the surface of the metal is somewhat different or is not the same composition... and it would force the generation of some gas to compensate...
i would really love to see the video with your effect to be able to understand if it was something we already see or if we should really dig into!
i hope you found something... what is just getting me worried is what you said about the low productivity
stan says that at 5khz it should convert galons of water with a 3inch cell
the closer i got to this was when in italy i applied unfiltered full wave bridge rectified 220v to a pair of plates 10x20x4mm spaced like 8cm apart and it was able with 3 amps to evaporate 1 liter per hour... it was a very violent production with lot of steam but was hard to get the hydrogen to burn because of the water vapor.. between the plates there was a sponge from a microfone box i was trying to use it to increase the resistance by reducing the water amount .. it was just tap water from italy (hard water)
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#196 ·
A successful theory of operation has to apply to both the gas processor as well as the water cell. There aren't any electrolysis bubbles changing the capacitance of the gas processor stage, so that's not how Meyer's system works. -
#197 ·
Fabio
1. It wasn't a few minutes... It was hours.
2. It wasn't just a trickle that slowed down over time but was constant.
3. My outer pipe was shorter than the inner one. Because of this, I'm pretty sure you could see new bubbles forming.
I'm hoping I show the voltmeter in the video... That would very nicely confirm what I'm telling you. I've been looking all over for it, but can't seem to find it for some reason. I found it by accident a few months ago, so I must have it in a place I've forgotten about.
At the time I made the video, I recorded specifically because I was seeing activities on the cell which I didn't see before. I understand your skepticism. I'm pretty sure you will change your mind when you see it. -
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Timeshell do you have the video? -
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Timeshell do you have the video?
Still looking for it. -
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Found it. Keep in mind, I recorded this 10 years ago. I don't mention it in the video, but I was likely using a dual charging method where I had a lower voltage superimposed by a higher voltage pulse; what I considered to be at the time "priming the cell". Obviously my understanding was still limited at the time. In the video, I say that it has been a couple minutes since I disconnected the power, but, as I mentioned before, I checked on the cell hours later and it was still producing gas. I don't have a video showing this hours later however. The reading on the voltmeter is interesting and I can't explain what's going on there as I'd expect a higher reading on the voltmeter with the amount of gas being produced in pure water.
Sorry it took so long. It wasn't on any of my usual computers and I had to resort to recovering it from a dead drive using advanced recovery methods.
Anyway, here it is: