6watts and 8 liters HHO per minute...........
Started by unknown · · 285 posts · last reply 16 May 2019
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#126 ·
i know the gauss law and etc.. but i could not understand exactly what you mean?.. when we add dielectric between the plates we decrease the attraction between the electrons and their respective positive charges on the other electrode.. this allow more electrons with a lower potential..
your talking about that bemf of the cell? when we switch the pulse off? when the cell is conductive?
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#127 · date not recorded
i just remember about parametric change... this is another way to amplify power... for example we charge the capacitor and after the capacitance is charged it change to a lower value somehow.. this would increase the voltage and such as the energy into it! this would allow for having power amplification!!!
i was thinking about those amps meyer talks coming from the ecc
i´m not that sure if he was generating power or if he was compressing it..
after all i started to think about what if he was just talking about peak amps of the pulse forming system discharge? and not average 100amps... could it be possible?
anyway this would create serious ionization if used right!
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#128 · date not recorded
i´m having a feeling that i should stop what i´m doing and just test the things ... -
#129 · date not recorded
you learn from testing.....
What i ment was that i think to understand that when we discharge a watercell, i removes free electrons from the blochwall and so on....
So more current and voltage out then in.....
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#130 · date not recorded
I need to open my cell, reconstruct the filter adding a pump back to it.. and get the circuit together again... i have everything over my desktop here but is a little hard to defy the lack of ability to pay bills with interests
anyway you are correct although thinking about can lead to many questions this can only be partially answered thinking.. the only way to confirm is testing!
hopefully i´m developing with this time some calm and abilities to do some different readings than i did in the past
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#131 · date not recorded
listen to this....Free_Energy_Now_2007-08-27.mp3
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#132 ·
this is interesting patent to take a look too man! https://patents.google.com/patent/US20060180473A1/en?inventor=John+St.+Clair&page=9 -
#133 ·
he said the cathode is insulated in delrin? where in meyer docs we see that? whos this guy? -
#134 ·
i know what looks like but i dont really trusted the guy... he seems to know too much about everything so little hard to believe.. however is a good idea about the cathode insulation but it become a dbd could it be able to fracture the molecules? well the fracture cell says it can
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#135 ·
this is interesting patent to take a look too man! https://patents.google.com/patent/US20060180473A1/en?inventor=John+St.+Clair&page=9
i wonder if he ever showed a working model -
#136 ·
i know what looks like but i dont really trusted the guy... he seems to know too much about everything so little hard to believe.. however is a good idea about the cathode insulation but it become a dbd could it be able to fracture the molecules? well the fracture cell says it can
what you think about this ?
12 years ago, he was a known figure in the OU world.
I just found it intresting that he also uses bemf pulses and eec circuit to create electricity.
The hho as a by product is a bonus.
To be honest, i dont care if he used an insulated kathode. If i am back home in 2 months, i will build two test cells which one has an insulated kathode and the othe one not.
Easy testing....
I want to see if i can get 100dc out at 1 amp....
That 100watts....
Even if it is pulsed. -
#137 · date not recorded
Hello guys.
Interesting patent of the water generator you found!
I was reading it and it sounded very familiar.
look to the coils the way they are stacked and their position on the Hydrogen Gas Gun:
(https://s19.postimg.cc/e4ygpvyar/DSC_0027.jpg)
What a coincidence.... -
#138 · date not recorded
that guy made just like meyer did ... he did lots of patents with somewhat related technology and gave parameters thru them for the realization of the principal that is the wormhole magnetic generator... in this patent he gave the 14 awg and 0.020 inch detail also that he tune to 60hz using external coil and capacitor but he uses a variable metal sheet capacitor
other parameters for this equipment are spread over the other patents
there is another patent of him that i didnt found that is the electric wormhole generator that he mentions in one of the patents but i could not find it ... -
#139 · date not recorded
i know what looks like but i dont really trusted the guy... he seems to know too much about everything so little hard to believe.. however is a good idea about the cathode insulation but it become a dbd could it be able to fracture the molecules? well the fracture cell says it can
what you think about this ?
12 years ago, he was a known figure in the OU world.
I just found it intresting that he also uses bemf pulses and eec circuit to create electricity.
The hho as a by product is a bonus.
To be honest, i dont care if he used an insulated kathode. If i am back home in 2 months, i will build two test cells which one has an insulated kathode and the othe one not.
Easy testing....
I want to see if i can get 100dc out at 1 amp....
That 100watts....
Even if it is pulsed.
I dont care too ! it appear to me that is only a matter of the capacitance you can get and voltage applied and frequency to get those amps and voltage at a load... it need to be 100Ohms
having the cathode insulated has two implications assuming he is talking about the negative electrode
the insulated part of the cell would get filled with positive charge water which remember me immediately the patent of meyer saying that electrons will be ejected from the water bath.. basically as we charge the the delrin water will have positive from both sides
assuming that now we are talking about 20kv it will easily get lot of electrons out of water lets say we are forming H+ ions and charging the electrode with OH- ions
the limitation is only the capacitance
1 farad = 1 amp * 1 sec / 1 volt
meaning that if you apply 1 amps for one second it will increase the voltage by 1 or discharging 1 amp per second will decrease 1 volt of a 1 faraday capacitor
this mean that if you have a small cell you need a high frequency and voltage to get considerable amps ,, ok maybe is not what is needed,,
how ionizers work?
or how can we get away with the electrons?
the only two ways i see is having one diode connecting the circuit to ground letting electrons go but not return
and boiling of the electrons in a filament or negative high voltage needle (case of no ground) (the ions formed will however go to ground some time )
this will create an imbalance of charge since when we try to discharge the capacitor and coil back to the cell it wont have the electrons that cannot come back and the ions will necessarily react with water as they will be forced out of the electrode by the coils reversing voltage
on next cycle the opposite happen liberating electrons? this adsorb ions OH- maybe ionized by ejection and maybe with strong enough pulse is possible to get it totally fractured -
#140 ·
something just happen to occur to me
a capacitor in series can be the same as an inductor in parallel !
both are high pass filters
both apply reverse voltage thru load on the discharge cycle.. -
#141 · date not recorded
Hi folks,
Here another version of a schematic for this setup.
After a request, i made a schematic with an NPN and PNP switch. The coil could be the 8xa...
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#142 · date not recorded
Here a schematic based in the dudes youtube film.
It is clear to me that he contradicts himself.
He says that he only used BEMF pulses, but in this schematic he also uses EMF.
Go have a look.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtZwXdyXsd0&feature=youtu.be
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#143 ·
This man shows how to charge cap from 1,2V battery to 19V. Looks like with back EMF effect. -
#144 ·
thanks for posting.
It is known that you can charge a cap that way.
Ill guess the trick is to short the wfc after a charge...
So, not really step charging but discharging... -
#145 ·
I'm really surprised you guys haven't figured this out yet.
The VIC is a program, a set of circuit instructions.
1. Polarize the water
2. At low voltage start regular electrolysis which in turn...
3. Creates HHO gas. The HHO gradually replaces the place of the water between the plates in the water capacitor which gradually decreases the capacitance of the WFC.
4. Keep increasing the voltage gradually while adjusting resonance
5. Eventually the gas replaces all the water between the plates allowing the charge to sky rocket and use voltage to produce HHO.
Look up Ronnie Walker's forum for details. -
#146 ·
I'm really surprised you guys haven't figured this out yet.
The VIC is a program, a set of circuit instructions.
1. At low voltage start regular electrolysis which in turn...
2. Creates HHO gas. The HHO gradually replaces the place of the water between the plates in the water capacitor which gradually increases the capacitance of the WFC.
3. Keep increasing the voltage gradually while adjusting resonance
4. Eventually the gas replaces all the water between the plates allowing the charge to sky rocket and use voltage to produce HHO.
Look up Ronnie Walker's forum for details.
You are not even close to what goes on. There is no electrolysis in the process and it does not create HHO gas. -
#147 ·
Says the guy who hasn't got it to work yet.
Actually, the first part of the process requires electrolysis. It switches over to voltrolysis after the gas replaces the water between the plates. If you don't understand this, you will never get it to work.
The WFC is essentially a variable capacitor. You need to understand that in order to design your VIC and pulsing circuit. You need to design your coils to resonate with the variable WFC capacitor at specific low and high frequencies in the range of the WFC and then use your pulsing circuit to charge it starting at a low voltage at the lower frequency and then keep increasing the voltage gradually, tuning it as you go, up to the higher frequencies.
I actually missed the step of polarizing the water. You need to start with this. I have updated the list. However, I have only given a very top level explanation here. I do understand the full process, mostly from discovery and experimenting, and Ronnie Walker filled in a few gaps for me and explains it in more detail in his forum. I'm not going to re-explain it all here. -
#148 ·
If you knew how it worked, you would know what actually comes out of it!.
Thanks for the entertainment!. -
#149 ·
I know what I have.
Have a nice day. -
#150 ·
Here's another little hint why you need electrolysis to start.
And it's actually why the chokes are slightly different from each other to allow a little current through. If you choke off the current completely, you can't create any gas. No gas, no ability to increase charge between the plates. If you can't increase the charge, you can't pull the molecule apart. I'm sure everyone here has already figured out when you throw high voltage across the WFC that it only ever shows a small voltage when you measure it. That's because of current leakage in the water between the plates. To stop the current leakage, you have to get rid of the water. To get rid of the water, you use the electrolysis to start your process.
Your welcome.
Of course there is still more to it to get it going, but like I said, I'm not re-explaining the whole process here.