6watts and 8 liters HHO per minute...........

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Timeshell BECAUSE THE DIODE coils simply store energy in form of magnetic field not allowing the current to flow intantaneous, and when pulse terminates, it colapses producing an unipolar pulse in the same direction.
Other thing than that, in my opinion, is pure fantasy of people who thing they know everything without real bench testing.
The only oscillation I experienced in this condition was the Self-resonance of both inductors due to the parasitic capacitance.

timeshell

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Quote from: X-Blade on December 23, 2018, 22:28:10 pm

Timeshell BECAUSE THE DIODE coils simply store energy in form of magnetic field not allowing the current to flow intantaneous, and when pulse terminates, it colapses producing an unipolar pulse in the same direction.
Other thing than that, in my opinion, is pure fantasy of people who thing they know everything without real bench testing.
The only oscillation I experienced in this condition was the Self-resonance of both inductors due to the parasitic capacitance.

X-Blade
The circuit is not continually producing DC current. It is being pulsed by the primary which in effect is AC. The diode is rectifying the AC on the AC frequency. But on the off pulse, the coil behind the diode WILL resonate with the capacitor. You can prove this in a circuit simulator.

Steve

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Quote from: X-Blade on December 23, 2018, 22:12:11 pm

Steve, our great Steve.

Yes, it hold a charge but below 2 Volts, above that electrolysis starts, and conductivity rises in a non-linear way.
I never experienced this BEMF from the cell, maybe because I dont use any electrolyte than the minerals and contaminants present in the natural water.

Aussepom welcome back and thank you for your input.

I am just an old man who used a tall tube cell with tap water....
No electrolytes, with a standard alternator.

X-Blade

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Timeshell forget this simulators they are not that good as you may thing.
I got a lot of experiments on multisim that prove very deceiving in real world, even with real capacitors.
All I post here is from bench tests.

From my experiments there will be allways DC unidirectional pulses, and as Meyer said when the pulse terminates, the coils procude another pulse in the same direction:
(https://i.postimg.cc/sgrXDqpt/pic-105-4-onoff.gif)
(https://i.postimg.cc/XvMtNp05/IMG-20161026-203138.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/28gKstVN/meyer-vic.png)

timeshell

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At this point, I can only say I'll agree to disagree.

Steve

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Just to make point....2 pictures of my early work

attachment_15632 attachment_15634 rsz_12092009148.jpg rsz_12092009149.jpg

X-Blade

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For people who are seeking the second pulse / Freq. doubling effect I can tell you one thing:
You will not see a second pulse alone, but an extend of the "pulse on" in the falling direction, because the inductor(s) trying to maintain the current flow and the stored energy in the magnetic field is colapsing, if you turn on before in colapses you get the "capacitance charging effect".

another hint:

(https://i.postimg.cc/MHmL0nF0/injector.gif)

timeshell

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I'm not sure what point is being made here. Just because you have an increasing charge doesn't mean that there isn't a resonance occuring with it. Again I emphasize, by definition, resonance is a frequency. The DC current isn't producing the frequency. The pulsed primary and the choke + WFC are.

X-Blade

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Timeshell I agree to disagree too.

This is the way we can achieve something, if everyone look in the same direction only following what patents says, we will not solve this in anyway.
Meyer was a con in many aspects, we have to admit it, we can see him fooling his investors on the "Stan Meyer Environmental Tape" video from Max Miller:

"Let's see how many energy it relly take to slit the water molecule" showing the voltmeter and ammeter that "really" is connected to the field of the alternator, not to the wfc itself. lol.
(look at 19.31)

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaO4RH5hmzg[/youtube]

X-Blade

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Quote from: timeshell on December 23, 2018, 22:59:54 pm

I'm not sure what point is being made here. Just because you have an increasing charge doesn't mean that there isn't a resonance occuring with it. Again I emphasize, by definition, resonance is a frequency. The DC current isn't producing the frequency. The pulsed primary and the choke + WFC are.

This is not about resonance, this is about restricting current in the most effective way (parametric resonance) :

https://www.richieburnett.co.uk/dcreschg.html

Steve

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i am not sure why the forum got in error, but i had to remove the last 3 posts of this topic...
Sorry guys. You have to re post again.
Its now working again.

cheers

timeshell

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Quote from: X-Blade on December 23, 2018, 23:16:29 pm

Quote from: timeshell on December 23, 2018, 22:59:54 pm
I'm not sure what point is being made here. Just because you have an increasing charge doesn't mean that there isn't a resonance occuring with it. Again I emphasize, by definition, resonance is a frequency. The DC current isn't producing the frequency. The pulsed primary and the choke + WFC are.

This is not about resonance, this is about restricting current in the most effective way (parametric resonance) :

https://www.richieburnett.co.uk/dcreschg.html

Huh??

The two go hand in hand... I don't understand why you'd say that.

X-Blade

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There is no energy exchange between the "capacitor" and the inductor (s). It only happens one direction only

timeshell

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Quote from: X-Blade on December 24, 2018, 21:12:58 pm

There is no energy exchange between the "capacitor" and the inductor (s). It only happens one direction only

Then there would be no resonance.

X-Blade

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There will not be "resonating" the way most people thing it does.
It works on D.C. unipolar pulses not A.C.

timeshell

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The source of the pulses isn't really relevant. Resonating is resonating.

I think we are arguing a non-issue here. The VIC is unidirectional current because of the diode.

The question then becomes what is causing the resonating action. Yes it is a resonating DC charging circuit. There is a resonating action occuring. So, what is causing it? Resonating occurs because of opposing actions from inductors, resistors and capacitors.

So, what is causing this in the VIC?

X-Blade

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Timeshell why dont you explain this with some images?

sebosfato

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what causes the resonance is the right frequency because at this frequency the system is able to accumulate energy and amplify the voltage current because of that

even if we shot in one direction only the ions will oscillate with double frequency because when pulse terminates another pulse comes into play from the chokes

im starting to think that electrical resonance is not even the most important resonance to find

X-Blade

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LC resonance is not the key for the high production, I dont believe if we can get a "magic" effect of low power and high yeild of gas.
This is not the voltage alone, there will be always current.

sebosfato

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I agree there may be some other resonance involved.. so far i´m inclined to believe that is related to the ppm value of electrolytes... meyer says is in the audio range from 0 to 10khz .. i think zero would be whenever its overdamped (low ppm or perhaps too high)

lc resonance however is also mentioned by meyer... but here is where the two come into play tuning

Aussepom

#271 · 28 Dec 2018

Hi I have been going over a lot of old research that I did and the group that I was with, also some guy Russ has also uncovered somethings of importance, and he meet with some one that actually went an saw Myer be for he ministerially died. Then also some of the mystery around the dune buggy seems that it was not all that was shown, yes it was technically running on water. However the whole system also generated electrical power and some form of heat. What some of you see is only some of the whole system not all of it.
He was a cleaver man and done separate patents for each part but I believe and I am not the only one you have to put the whole puzzle together.
There is a resonant part played in the system, the group of rising pulse all together then a short break, that is the negative side cut off by the diode that is a pump up circuit.
The frequency is important, but not the way that you may normally think.
The L/R of the coil T plays a good part in this, generated circulating currents in a resonate circuit can be very high, and with the step up transformer to around, 1500V is also a key.
So in the circuit it states that the wire used was resistance wire in all of the coils.
Why? He generated 1500VAC the diode will halve that to 750V have wave peek when it finally gets there. If you wound the coils in normal winding copper wire, then the DC resistance would be very low in the region of 0.01to 0.0001 so using the L/R technically you could generate thousands of AMPS. That is if the frequency was very low at resonance to give the current rise time to reach 5time T. High Frequency means that it has buckles chance of getting even to one T, 63%of the max current for a coil. Example at resonance XL=XC so all that in in the circuit is the DC resistance, do the sum 750/0.01 = 75,000AMPS! And more 750/0.001 750,000. Now you can may be see why Stan used resistance wire to limit the current at resonance, even then the current that may be there would still in the coil at one T may still not reach the max either. So now we have a circuit basically that is generating high voltage with stuff all current. To me even then in tap water or worse distilled water or deionized water it has all the minerals removed. You still will not break it down as with electrolysis. There is another possible way around the sonar frequencies, 1Ghz is one range,
Sport fishing sonar 50, 120, 200, 455 kHz . The sonar transducer was originally directly touching the water, as then they had tremendous amount of power pushed into them. the problem was that the water all around the Transducer got hot just like a microwave does to your food. What happened with the concentration of the power in one spot water split, the hydrogen and oxygen then burnt in the water pocket around the transducer and blew it up. Now they are not is direct contact with the water. So what does that tell you Stan seems to be doing something similar? Or there is fine arcing between the plates or tubes, this would disassociate the water as an arc is above 3,000C
Sorry to rattle on but I hope you get something from it and re-look at you thinking.
Stan what not telling the whole story publically.

X-Blade

#272 · 28 Dec 2018

I dont undestand why people imagine things that was not there...

Steve

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Ok, this one was still on my to do list.
Here a picture of my testcell showing gas.
A note: it is charged, only by bemf.
I use the primary of an ignitioncoil.

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X-Blade

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Hello Steve.
Nice to see you're still working on it.
I am also working on my cell, but in a different prespective.

Cheers

Steve

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If i find some time tomorrow, i will build the EEC part.
I think a P channel switch should be able to do that.
When the coil is charged, i also have to discharge the cell with the EEC circuit...however it will look like.
When the coil is discharging it self into the cell, the eec must be switched off.
It will be interesting to see if removing the charge of the cell, trully boost gas production...