massive

30 years ago Barry Hilton wrote about the 'Joe Cell' but he was involved with Ian Hacon and Nutech2000, the company that published the book about the Joe cell.
He's still alive and building hydrogen cells and motors.
He has videos on youtube.



Horvath and Joe cell

This photo shows 2 x 2N3055 transistors on a heat sink, lower right corner of engine bay.
Thats an Impco type gas carburetor but it is hooked up to an external hose to the bench / Filter.
The black part behind the carb is either the gas regulator or cell. ?

normally high-pressure gas from a tank is connected to a regulator which decreases pressure, which is mixes with incoming air at the carb, which has an air filter on top. 

The Horvath Ford Fairlane 500 has a V8. The patent # 3980053, 1976 has been read by thousands of people, for 5 decades. There is no circuit or usable description.
Anyone can copy that circuit using the parts listed or modern equivalents.

Horvath did not show his circuit diagram to anyone. He did not give it away to the public and it is not on the internet.

Horvath Stephen can be found in Australian patent search   https://ipsearch.ipaustralia.gov.au/patents/     Star Scientific Ltd

https://www.ebay.com/itm/226954029998?_skw=lpg+carb&itmmeta=01K46VHVWWBPD6EGR5RNPRSDNB&hash=item34d783abae:g:5PIAAeSwdw1otr1v&itmprp=enc%3AAQAKAAAA4FkggFvd1GGDu0w3yXCmi1durVFe6sHfoNFeeuK7uokgV%2FmrQpM%2BuWEp8FVMbzHb4N0azXE4g01iYG0g%2Bs2XSgBo2u3EJS8KuezkE%2FjpMNXSTIh9Prryd%2B9CYFi3RzSLYxLrwovI1qJbJozLU71C4pvbonpR3drEoJ3MGMwhImMOtGwSWYwk6bRA1p1kfvtbhGaNmwHeOolfqbUztRjGLPC3kF4wuXCDA2WbbBUww3HuSe5X1TTVeaiJ%2FYZvFznca49AhRXxaJV2zcSYNAR2nnWTQJXFaF0IYw8bPRfbfkXM%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR9a-x9uhZg&pfm=1


Horvath has Impco gas carbs in those photos. Easy to find on ebay. Carbs/Mixers and regulators.

wayback machine....

Joh Bjelke Petersen and Stephen Horvath. The engine has an Impco Gas carb

There used to be more pics on the net showing the car for public demonstration, 1979 or 1980 but I can't find any now.

The circuit diagram in the Horvath patent has a list of components which are available online for anyone who wants to build that circuit.

Here is Stephen Horvath and his 1974 Ford Fairlane.

If anyone wants to build the Horvath circuit as it is, good luck https://patents.google.com/patent/US4107008A/en

TR1 is supposed to be push-pull with Z trigger coil.

I used to log in and keep an eye on Tektrical / electrotek. I guess people didn't pay much attention to him. He was investigating HV experiments, spark gaps, plasma etc. He was in his 70s, I guess he is no longer here. last log in Nov 2022. maybe Covid, maybe just time caught up.

https://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=profile;u=2498
https://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=profile;u=2346

I wouldn't be interested in HV across water. Theoretically, H atom is 1 proton and 1 electron. Electrons are the same thing out of a battery.
X and Z is based on freq. R is constant; V and I vary. The sawtooth output is max HV and then decays to zero. The primary circuit has switched off, so cannot be damaged by the secondary.
I experiment with HV FBT and my interest is short circuits, which is V/R = I, the R stays constant. This is why I was interested in elecktrotek's experiments with neon light transformer etc. V moves electrons, remembering there is a HV diode. FBT don't need to be "resonant", it is one pulse at any time and Idle time in between.

I never thought to ask electrotek what he thought of Stan Meyers. I don't think he was following SM

Who said anything about blocking current.

None other than Stan Meyers himself. He said many times ".... yada yada, Blocking diode..." and the diode is in every "circuit" diagram on the net.

This thread is titled "Back to Basics"

Did Stan Meyer show a circuit to anyone?    The answer is no, he did not

This thread is named "Back to Basics"

a FBT in discontinuous mode has a HV saw tooth output and only 1 coil is active while the other is open circuit.

There is no winding ratio. It is stored energy discharge

coupled inductors (chokes) = Flyback transformer in discontinuous mode. only 1 coil is operating and then stored energy is discharged to the other coil

https://www.coilcraft.com/en-us/edu/series/a-guide-to-flyback-transformers/

so, what's the trick to posting links?

links are not showing. search youtube for "Alex Lab". He made a cell for a pit bike and also made a replica suit from the movie "Ironman". I've never seen the movie and don't care.
The suit has a "Hydrogen reactor" on the chest which produces gas to pressurize the muscles on the arms. He claims the small cell produces enough pressure at 1:1848 water to gas ratio for the artificial muscles to operate. If this true, then that is impressive for such a small cell. (He is Russian)

maybe worth a look at if anyone is interested

The oxygen atom wants free electrons

this was on fb a few days ago

We also have to consider the magnetic curl.  The way the flux lines curl around the wire.  With a motor, the curl goes one way, and the curls go the other way with a generator.

Can you use the same wire for both the motor and generator?

and then there is counter torque and cemf. wasnt there someone with a motor/ gen with wire soldered direct to core
I just happen to be checking up on atom, copper 29 and Iron 26

coulomb

why suppress voltage ?

TVS are in most electronic catalogs

where is Tinman quote from ?
Im surprised he didnt have anything to say about the patent . the description does not match the diagram in the patent at all .
that circuit diagram does not function .
no doubt Les Banki has read the patent long ago but then hes never made comment on the circuit . he avoids H2 forums now so curious to where Tinman is if he has les online .
most circuit diagrams are an expensive lesson

Tinman is australian isnt he ?  by memory a truck driver part time unless I got my wires crossed .
if so he would know of Horvath decades ago .

Is Horvath still alive , seems to be the impression


https://www.ialtenergy.com/star-scientific.html

I saw Les Banki show up on energetic the other day . doesnt seem to mix with the H2 forums