6watts and 8 liters HHO per minute...........
Started by unknown · · 285 posts · last reply 16 May 2019
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#226 · date not recorded
Timeshell, thank you for your effort to show us this.
But, should we trust in a 10 dollar meter ?
Do you have access to a more reliable meter such as a fluke or other trusted equipment?
This modules uses the LC combination for measurement, others uses the RC scheme for capacitance measuring.
My meter does not show any difference thats why I am asking you for it.
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#227 ·
Timeshell, thank you for your effort to show us this.
May not mean much but its understandable i suppose ...capacitance is measured with a current flow from possitive to negative right? IF the possitive is bigger in diameter ....ehh * f * it lol...check a factory electrolytic capacitor and reverse the leads or something and see if you get the same reading...sense x blade isnt getting different readings he needs another example than a wfc.
But, should we trust in a 10 dollar meter ?
Do you have access to a more reliable meter such as a fluke or other trusted equipment?
This modules uses the LC combination for measurement, others uses the RC scheme for capacitance measuring.
My meter does not show any difference thats why I am asking you for it.
Cheers -
#228 ·
An electrolytic capacitor might not have different size electrodes. I'll try to demo my cap meter with a variety of caps soon. -
#229 · date not recorded
Timeshell thank you for the time you spend to explain that.
In my point of view it does not matter to much, since the pulses "hitting" the cell are always unipolar according to Meyer description. -
#230 · date not recorded
Yes and no. Because of the diode, the current will primarily go in one direction. However, because the WFC is between two coils, it will still resonate between them. This is why the chokes must be precisely tuned. You will not get the high voltage climb on a pure DC circuit without the AC resonance. -
#231 · date not recorded
I dont thing so, it cannot resonate with the diode.
When terminates the pulse the coils colapse producing an unipolar pulse.
This is a simple DC resonant charging not an oscillator.
People who tested it can confirm what I am saying.
The fantasy of "resonance" of LC died a few years ago.
The only possible "resonance" is between each choke inductance/capacitance.
The "Ronnie Walkie-Talkie" has gone now. -
#232 · date not recorded
Ok. Keep doing it your way. Let me know when you get it working. -
#233 · date not recorded
Im still researching Offline, because there is a lot od "distractions" and disinformation.
Im following what I see it does, based on Meyer desciptions, not following Ronnie talkie stupid theories.
One step a time, form the earlier devices of electrical polarization process, following patents lectures and the technical brief.
People thing that they will do magic just tuning the LC... lol
My experiments showed me that, at least with water in the cell it will act as a pure resistance, more than that I will not say about that.
The Second pulse of the colapsing inductor(s) and the step charge I can confirm, but it is not related to the cell capacitance.
(https://i.postimg.cc/L8B29MDY/pic-105-4.gif)
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#234 · date not recorded
Look close to the VIC Matrix circuit description on the tech. brief:
(https://i.postimg.cc/G3GY1qVB/cap-react.gif)
Is this a real capacitor reactance or is just a resistive value? -
#235 · date not recorded
I am going to emphasize most of my understanding is from my own experiments. There are only a few pieces of information that Ronnie introduced that helped me bring all my own work together. I'm not just repeating Ronnie's ideas as you've seen some of my work that I did long before I met Ronnie, which was only 5 years ago. Most of my experimenting was well before that. But I will also give credit where credit is due.
I'm not here to argue. So, I'll gracefully step aside for now.
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#236 · date not recorded
Look close to the VIC Matrix circuit description on the tech. brief:
(https://i.postimg.cc/G3GY1qVB/cap-react.gif)
Is this a real capacitor reactance or is just a resistive value?
Real capacitive reactance. It's why I stated to do research on it.
Remember there are two steps to making this work.
The first involves the water resistance.
The second involves capacitive reactance. -
#237 · date not recorded
Lol what is the Rs+Re?
Is this a real reactance to you?
Rs - The coil wire resistance
Re - The resistive value of water (supposed to be 78.54 ohm)
Look, Im not here do do some "di.ck comparisons" but to talk about the facts.
If you think that the cell acts as a real capacitor, just hook it to a freq. gen. with sweep function without the inductors and measure the impedance... -
#238 · date not recorded
It acts like a real capacitor when there is no water in it. We've already established that.
I've also shown a WFC that held a charge after power was disconnected. -
#239 · date not recorded
Timeshell, yes you are right. But in pratice you cannot convert all the water to gas to tune to the LC frequency, water is allways entering to the cavity.
The cell with water behaves like a real capacitor below 2 Volts, up from that the electrolysis starts and the water starts to behave as a non linear load, the more you rise the voltage without restricting amps, the less the resistance and more conductivity.
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#240 · date not recorded
Timeshell, yes you are right. But in pratice you cannot convert all the water to gas to tune to the LC frequency, water is allways entering to the cavity.
The cell with water behaves like a real capacitor below 2 Volts, up from that the electrolysis starts and the water starts to behave as a non linear load, the more you rise the voltage without restricting amps, the less the resistance and more conductivity.
Excellent. I agree almost 100%. Now, use that information to get to the next step. -
#241 · date not recorded
now its getting intresting
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#242 ·
NewGuy, normal electrolysis does start at just under 2V. Breaking the water with just a voltage field is what requires a much higher voltage pulse. -
#243 ·
NewGuy, normal electrolysis does start at just under 2V. Breaking the water with just a voltage field is what requires a much higher voltage pulse.
Ten 4...im gonna try to stay out of this one...i hope thers some real new guys that will input something
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#244 · date not recorded
Here is a sample of my WFC calculations. Notice the capacitance differences between the inner and outer tubes when the equations are adjusted for each tube's capacity.
attachment_15622 Cell_Dimensions.jpg
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#245 · date not recorded
The actual circuit is a series circuit. Basically the choke and the other coil are in series with the cell which is a capacitance. So if you get the values right and a frequency, you should end up with a resonant circuit. The tapped inductor is to fine tune the circuit, you only have half wave rectification pulses, started by triggering the SCR. There is a better way to do this.
However what the object here was to get the circuit in resonance, this then make the current drawn only by the value of the total resistance in the two coils at a resonant frequency
Can you let me know now the value of the choke that you are using, that is the DC resistance, the impedance if you can measure it can be measured, and I would need to know the inductance of the choke. The cell will have a capacitance as well, with no power on it see if you can get the capacitance it needs to be filled as if you were going to turn it on.
What you can get if this are done in a particular way, it seems that you have 24ohms in the circuit or impedance.
If you did put the choke in parallel with the cell this would make a resonant circuit of the cell and the choke, so with power applied then of a pulsed half wave would then create a closed circuit around the cell and the choke, and at a resonant frequency there would be high circulating current through the choke and the cell, so for a low input of power you will get a bigger output due to the circulating currents.
The choke and the cells capacitance must be found out, the chokes DC resistance needs to be as low as you possibly can get it this would have large gauge wire, example make sure that the wire that is connected across the cell and the choke are heavy, example, 12v / 0.1ohm is 120amps at the resonant frequency.
hope this helps Brian -
#246 · date not recorded
The actual circuit is a series circuit. Basically the choke and the other coil are in series with the cell which is a capacitance. So if you get the values right and a frequency, you should end up with a resonant circuit. The tapped inductor is to fine tune the circuit, you only have half wave rectification pulses, started by triggering the SCR. There is a better way to do this.
However what the object here was to get the circuit in resonance, this then make the current drawn only by the value of the total resistance in the two coils at a resonant frequency
Can you let me know now the value of the choke that you are using, that is the DC resistance, the impedance if you can measure it can be measured, and I would need to know the inductance of the choke. The cell will have a capacitance as well, with no power on it see if you can get the capacitance it needs to be filled as if you were going to turn it on.
What you can get if this are done in a particular way, it seems that you have 24ohms in the circuit or impedance.
If you did put the choke in parallel with the cell this would make a resonant circuit of the cell and the choke, so with power applied then of a pulsed half wave would then create a closed circuit around the cell and the choke, and at a resonant frequency there would be high circulating current through the choke and the cell, so for a low input of power you will get a bigger output due to the circulating currents.
The choke and the cells capacitance must be found out, the chokes DC resistance needs to be as low as you possibly can get it this would have large gauge wire, example make sure that the wire that is connected across the cell and the choke are heavy, example, 12v / 0.1ohm is 120amps at the resonant frequency.
hope this helps Brian
There is NOTHING about this system that should be "found out". The entire system needs to be designed exactly the same way as you would design any electronic circuit to do a specific thing(s). This means you need to calculate voltage, current, inductances, reactances, impedances, resistances, capacitance, frequencies. Even the wire resistance matters. And most importantly, you need to know WHAT you are designing and HOW it is supposed to work. Otherwise you are just shooting in the dark. ALL these things need to be designed very specifically to get the result we're looking for.
How it's supposed to work can be found starting on this page:
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#247 · date not recorded
Timeshell I am not so certain about that.
As I already said, I cant see the WFC acting as a capacitor or being reactive like a capacitor.
It looks to me like a load and nothing more.
Since it have the diode In-line it cant act another way than the DC resonant charging circuit. -
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Timeshell I am not so certain about that.
Well, my 2 cents: the cell holds a charge. For that it is a capacitor/condensor.
As I already said, I cant see the WFC acting as a capacitor or being reactive like a capacitor.
It looks to me like a load and nothing more.
Since it have the diode In-line it cant act another way than the DC resonant charging circuit.
The other cent: i posted many many lightyears ago a picture of the negative voltage peak produced by the cell when the dc was removed from it.
That negative pulse can be collected and re-used.
In the days, i used that pulse to charge the rotor of my alternator setup.....
For me, that negative bemf pulse of the cell was strong enough to charge a 5v/2a rotor coil.....
Use that pulse in a serie of parallel coil setup ala meyer....
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#249 · date not recorded
Timeshell I am not so certain about that.
As I already said, I cant see the WFC acting as a capacitor or being reactive like a capacitor.
It looks to me like a load and nothing more.
Since it have the diode In-line it cant act another way than the DC resonant charging circuit.
X-Blade, what you are saying doesn't make sense to me. Resonance is a result of a frequency. Yes, the diode makes the circuit unidirectional, so in effect DC. BUT, because there is a coil between the WFC capacitor and the diode, it will resonate between those two components. That resonance in this section of the circuit is in effect is obviously the same as AC at resonance and we all know AC is current alternating at a frequency. -
#250 · date not recorded
Steve, our great Steve.
Yes, it hold a charge but below 2 Volts, above that electrolysis starts, and conductivity rises in a non-linear way.
I never experienced this BEMF from the cell, maybe because I dont use any electrolyte than the minerals and contaminants present in the natural water.
Aussepom welcome back and thank you for your input.