kickbackemf

Yep, of course, I read my post, ya got a case, yet a herd of us are stuck at just this point... symptoms of a weakening passion

Kb

... here's probably my confusion point


Stan Meyer's Gas Generator Voltage Control Circuit US Patent: 4,798,661

maybe I'm mistaken but I don't even see any coils in this patient of the variable plate and resistor sandwich except for the variable transformer.

re-reading

kb

Hi Seb,

I too cannot get my head around the diodes as you describe them.  How is the second diode connected again?  A picture would be helpful, much obliged.  I'm now running 8.5kv with my vic with little gas.

kb

here is the link for stan's vic and other stuff, nice page

http://hhoinformation.com/forum/topics/stan-meyer-s-circuit-schematics-and-vic-measurments-what-you-have?xg_source=msg_mes_network#axzz1diKTK3Gd

kb

This may interest you and others

vic spec links and more

http://hhoinformation.com/forum/topics/stan-meyer-s-circuit-schematics-and-vic-measurments-what-you-have?xg_source=msg_mes_network#axzz1diKTK3Gd

kb

and now for something completely different
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-14976893
 
kb
 

Seb,
I'm going on intuition here with the iron wire.  I think there is a resistance factor in play, however, the thing ran cool to the touch at 12v for over an hour.  Other observations include comparing a two & 1/2 inch ferrite rod compared to the ferrite flyback cores in the photo.  Of the rods that I wind with iron wire and copper secondary exactly like the flyback cores, the ptp voltage peaks at a point even if a  higher voltage is inputed.  The flyback with iron wire primary under a copper secondary has the ptp voltage increasing right along with the input voltage and jumps up quickly in a better than exactly matching relationship to the input voltage. Circular effect to hold flux in I suppose.  I need a hv oscope probe higher than 3kv now to see the relationship even at 12 volts.  Gas is much better, even at 3-5 volts with this arrangement..........  running at 60ma with 12v in at 5.52khz, yet I still believe it to be normal electrolysis...
Is it fair game to add 1-10 meg ohm to the oscope probe and do some calculations to determine ptp voltage?  I'd hate to bust the thing.
kb
 

Steve,
danka for the circuit links, the irfbc40 mosfet has some very low capacitance inside with these specs to compare to the 2n3055 -fwiw[/size][/font] Output Capacitance C  OSS - 160 - pF
 Reverse Transfer Capacitance C  RSS - 45 - pF
rise times, turn off times, on time delay, fall times- all are hard to beat
 
kb

Steve,
I am here to tell ya...  the iron powder core bifilar wound toroid I made today with single layer iron wire did not even come close to the gas production and hv ptp that a simple pc flyback gives with a single layer iron wire primary with a copper wire secondary jumble wound on top.  there is something going on here...
for example, the flyback core I made with seperate iron wound chokes on ferrite rods laying nearby in series produced 2600v at 12v ptp with 50ma compared to 250v ptp 12v 100ma with a toroid wound single layer 8XA fashion
experiments continue
kb

Well, I have got a result that appears to be something that I can improve on.  My VIC as pictured is three coils of 28 gauge 1000'  and a primary 21 gauge about 120'  I used the laminated strips from an old 110/220 step up as the core.  Sebosfatos PLL with a pic up coil rests next to it.  Resonance with clicking sound and input amp bump up at 2.5khz.  Gas production is not great but surges from second to second.  3.5" 3/4" tube outer with 1/2" solid rod.
Coil resonance can be found manually and the PLL nails it right off.  Definate clicking sound with either way at resonance.  1000v spikes on the oscope.
Now to tune gating.  Could not have got here without the forum.
kb 

spin, I've read that before from you but I need to read it about six more times...
do you believe that the iron wire chokes require perfect side by side wire wrapping or will a small bit of jumble be ok? I guess I'll find out.
I know, perhaps silly question but I'll need to build an apparatus to wind them as perfect as can be from what I'm experiencing by doing it from hand.
I have enough laminate strips left to build another vic with the iron wire.  Have you completed yours?
 
kb

spin,
 
thanks much for the reference, much obliged.
kb

spintronic,
 
yep, well understood, notice my 0-1 ampmeter on the positive lead, it rests below zero, the one on the right side is the input amps from the variace about .5 at about 50 volts... the primary wire small size keeps the input amps low,  I can run it up to over 100 volts and it still remains below zero, my small irfbc40 mosfet can't take it for very long though...  I'm in the market for a tougher mosfet, I like irfbc40 because they are super fast, 11ns rise time if I remember and cheap...
any mosfet suggestions?
kb
 

Spintronics,
1000 words...
the camera flash whited out the thin bubbles but they are there
used fine iron filings with epoxy core, 1000' 28ga secondary and chokes, unknown scrap primary, all copper
my iron wire will show up someday and I'll give that a try...
Tony,  I can't seem to find the way to get the inverted phases on b+ and b- on my scope
kb
 

"kb seems very young to me (no offence kb) and does not come across to me as understanding anything i have posted on my thread"
and what purpose did this comment serve you?  if anything you've betrayed your youth, in maturity and wisdom...  it IS offensive
my comments and questions are not made to satisfy your apparent sense of superiority in any measure
....make a simple question on your thread to the group about the five pulses diagram and this is the result?
when you have done it then I'll bow, until then I'll keep learning and consider ideas from all here and elsewhere including yours
in addition, however, I shall not refrain from asking questions for fear of insult or insolence
kb
 

Spin,
 
Thanks for the iron wire source.  $4 airmail and 4 roles at 40 meters each for a grand total of  $8.97, on the way, in for a dime in for a dollar.. chuckle
 
kb

alright,
I wound a quick and dirty 8xa bifilar with paper coated garden wire about as big as my fist, sloppy for sure, on a 1"x 3" iron powder epoxy mix core.
result...  more gas than ever before at 10 volts and 5ma and not much in the way of high voltage spike...  clean looking square waves out..
this meyer thing may get interesting again, lol
 
kb
 
 
 

Sebosfato,

Here's a simple way to test your theory.  Take a 110v to 24 v step down transformer and run the primary and secondary as chokes.  Mix and match the input output wires to reach the highest system voltage as in the 8XA.

Now, throw together a one gallon wide mouth glass leyden jar with foil inside and out and filled with salt water.  Connect this in parallel with your cell.  You will be in the 2-4 kv range real quick with few amps from your variac. 

I'd like some confirmation of this effect I get with this arrangment from anyone else interested in trying it.

just playing

kb

sebo,


re: probe,


not grounded just connected with probe end, no strap, ground plug unconnected at oscope panel

ppm of dissolved solids in natural tap water is around 200-400 ppm tds, an hour of running a cell brings it all up to over 500 ppm tds anyway...

if starting with distilled or RO water is giving some benefit I'd like to know what it is...


correction, I typed 403 steel when I used K & S 430 steel strips at .028 thick

btw, they easily beat the 316L 1/16" thick otherwise identical strips in a quick side by side production observation

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