6watts and 8 liters HHO per minute...........
Started by unknown · · 285 posts · last reply 16 May 2019
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#26 · date not recorded
i agree....
Look what this man is doing with his electron extraction setup.
I downloaded it from youtube...
Its actually amazing....
Stevehigh voltage hho.mp4
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#27 · date not recorded
well i got some time to check it out anyone interested in giving me a circuit diagram? not clear on a couple of things, back of napkin stuff
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#28 ·
That's a really good video, Steve; thanks for posting it.
He says the generator puts out 18 Volts, so the rectified pulses from one of the phases is passed through the MOT's primary, to feed the cell. (May as well use a battery charger for testing) . The part I don't get is how a 10 times step-up transformer can fire a spark plug with 18 V. on the primary? Perhaps a really close spark gap. And there's no hv diode, BUT the MOT's secondary circuit is a closed loop. Firing the spark plug may affect the transformer's operation momentarily, but no hv is going to the cell.
The wire coming straight down to the top of the cell allows the wire's magnetic field to pull the bubbles inwards as they rise. This likely causes the cell to output at least some amount of the less energetic Orthohydrogen. That's good for bonding with turpentine vapor, but alternate wiring approach angles might be advisable. -
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Another issue I have with his 18 V. claim is that the light bulb is rated for mains voltage. With capacitive coupling, the bulb is only getting what is fed to the tubes. His generator is a modified washing machine motor and is probably putting out 250 Volts. -
#30 · date not recorded
You are right here.
I tried this for a first test and there is no way you get the primary coil charged with pulsed 18 or even 32 volts...
But still, the setup has something similar to Bob Boys system.
The magnet pulses of the secondairy after the spark, you find back on the primary .
So, pulsed dc with spikes....
I am somehow sure that the dude of that video must also have a video of him modifying that alternator.
Otherwise my suggetion is to go modify the primary of that MOT with less windings, so it can handle the higher frequencys and lower input voltage.....
cheers
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#31 · date not recorded
ok, i had some minutes left to go thru his channel.
800 volt ac at 1 khz -
#32 · date not recorded
other video
300v ac at 340hz
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#33 · date not recorded
Thank you for the posting! -
#34 · date not recorded
Thank you for the posting!
You are so welcome...
Nice to see you back here...
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#35 · date not recorded
After watching the MOT spark gap videos I decided to see if just the voltage spikes can produce bubbles. So I wired up a little 6V relay as a buzzer, then powered it with a usb lighter plug and connected it to one of my cells. No bubbles, but I went ahead and took some readings.
With my meter across the cell the voltage was jumping all over, from a few tenths to a few volts. I concluded the cell was charging, but then relaxing before the next pulse. So I'll try increasing the frequency of the buzzer.
After every test I was still reading about a quarter of a volt across the cell, even after 24 hours. Leaving the meter connected slowly drained the charge after an hour. And I could get a fluctuating reading with only one probe to the cell (either polarity), even with the probe wire within a couple of inches. So these inductive spikes do produce a Radiant effect. It's interesting that this happens with either polarity, not with just the positive spikes.
I put a diode on it to see if I could get more than .24 resting volts and that immediately went to a full volt just as the USB plug burned out. When I switched over to some D cells driving the relay, I noticed that I could get a pretty good shock off of it from time to time, without a corresponding reading on the meter. So there must be some static charge building up, in addition to the dc. This effect was intermittent, but will likely become predominate with a higher frequency.
And I'm going to try the MOT spark gap circuit, powered with normal AC, with and without the oven's emi filter. -
#36 · date not recorded
For your info, soon i willdo the MOT setup replication as well...Good work and i like the theory as well....
Did some reading:
The charge of a proton is equal to e = 1.602x10-19 C. The charge of an electron is the negative of that.attachment_15292 1a.GIF
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#37 · date not recorded
http://physics.bu.edu/~duffy/py106/Charge.html
Electric charge and Coulomb's law
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Charge
there are two kinds of charge, positive and negative
like charges repel, unlike charges attract
positive charge comes from having more protons than electrons; negative charge comes from having more electrons than protons
charge is quantized, meaning that charge comes in integer multiples of the elementary charge e
charge is conserved
Probably everyone is familiar with the first three concepts, but what does it mean for charge to be quantized? Charge comes in multiples of an indivisible unit of charge, represented by the letter e. In other words, charge comes in multiples of the charge on the electron or the proton. These things have the same size charge, but the sign is different. A proton has a charge of +e, while an electron has a charge of -e.
Electrons and protons are not the only things that carry charge. Other particles (positrons, for example) also carry charge in multiples of the electronic charge. Those are not going to be discussed, for the most part, in this course, however.
Putting "charge is quantized" in terms of an equation, we say:
q = n e
q is the symbol used to represent charge, while n is a positive or negative integer, and e is the electronic charge, 1.60 x 10-19 Coulombs.
The Law of Conservation of Charge
The Law of conservation of charge states that the net charge of an isolated system remains constant.
If a system starts out with an equal number of positive and negative charges, thereıs nothing we can do to create an excess of one kind of charge in that system unless we bring in charge from outside the system (or remove some charge from the system). Likewise, if something starts out with a certain net charge, say +100 e, it will always have +100 e unless it is allowed to interact with something external to it.
Charge can be created and destroyed, but only in positive-negative pairs.
Table of elementary particle masses and charges:
Electrostatic charging
Forces between two electrically-charged objects can be extremely large. Most things are electrically neutral; they have equal amounts of positive and negative charge. If this wasnıt the case, the world we live in would be a much stranger place. We also have a lot of control over how things get charged. This is because we can choose the appropriate material to use in a given situation.
Metals are good conductors of electric charge, while plastics, wood, and rubber are not. Theyıre called insulators. Charge does not flow nearly as easily through insulators as it does through conductors, which is why wires you plug into a wall socket are covered with a protective rubber coating. Charge flows along the wire, but not through the coating to you.
Materials are divided into three categories, depending on how easily they will allow charge (i.e., electrons) to flow along them. These are:
conductors - metals, for example
semi-conductors - silicon is a good example
insulators - rubber, wood, plastic for example
Most materials are either conductors or insulators. The difference between them is that in conductors, the outermost electrons in the atoms are so loosely bound to their atoms that theyıre free to travel around. In insulators, on the other hand, the electrons are much more tightly bound to the atoms, and are not free to flow. Semi-conductors are a very useful intermediate class, not as conductive as metals but considerably more conductive than insulators. By adding certain impurities to semi-conductors in the appropriate concentrations the conductivity can be well-controlled.
There are three ways that objects can be given a net charge. These are:
Charging by friction - this is useful for charging insulators. If you rub one material with another (say, a plastic ruler with a piece of paper towel), electrons have a tendency to be transferred from one material to the other. For example, rubbing glass with silk or saran wrap generally leaves the glass with a positive charge; rubbing PVC rod with fur generally gives the rod a negative charge.
Charging by conduction - useful for charging metals and other conductors. If a charged object touches a conductor, some charge will be transferred between the object and the conductor, charging the conductor with the same sign as the charge on the object.
Charging by induction - also useful for charging metals and other conductors. Again, a charged object is used, but this time it is only brought close to the conductor, and does not touch it. If the conductor is connected to ground (ground is basically anything neutral that can give up electrons to, or take electrons from, an object), electrons will either flow on to it or away from it. When the ground connection is removed , the conductor will have a charge opposite in sign to that of the charged object.
An example of induction using a negatively charged object and an initially-uncharged conductor (for example, a metal ball on a plastic handle).
(1) bring the negatively-charged object close to, but not touching, the conductor. Electrons on the conductor will be repelled from the area nearest the charged object.
(2) connect the conductor to ground. The electrons on the conductor want to get as far away from the negatively-charged object as possible, so some of them flow to ground.
(3) remove the ground connection. This leaves the conductor with a deficit of electrons.
(4) remove the charged object. The conductor is now positively charged.
A practical application involving the transfer of charge is in how laser printers and photocopiers work.
Why is static electricity more apparent in winter?
You notice static electricity much more in winter (with clothes in a dryer, or taking a sweater off, or getting a shock when you touch something after walking on carpet) than in summer because the air is much drier in winter than summer. Dry air is a relatively good electrical insulator, so if something is charged the charge tends to stay. In more humid conditions, such as you find on a typical summer day, water molecules, which are polarized, can quickly remove charge from a charged object.
Try this at home
See if you can charge something at home using friction. I got good results by rubbing a Bic pen with a piece of paper towel. To test the charge, you can use a narrow stream of water from a faucet; if the object attracts the stream when it's brought close, you know it's charged. All you need to do is to find something to rub - try anything made out of hard plastic or rubber. You also need to find something to rub the object with - potential candidates are things like paper towel, wool, silk, and saran wrap or other plastic.
Coulomb's law
The force exerted by one charge q on another charge Q is given by Coulomb's law:
r is the distance between the charges.
Remember that force is a vector, so when more than one charge exerts a force on another charge, the net force on that charge is the vector sum of the individual forces. Remember, too, that charges of the same sign exert repulsive forces on one another, while charges of opposite sign attract.
An example
Four charges are arranged in a square with sides of length 2.5 cm. The two charges in the top right and bottom left corners are +3.0 x 10-6 C. The charges in the other two corners are -3.0 x 10-6 C. What is the net force exerted on the charge in the top right corner by the other three charges?
To solve any problem like this, the simplest thing to do is to draw a good diagram showing the forces acting on the charge. You should also let your diagram handle your signs for you. Force is a vector, and any time you have a minus sign associated with a vector all it does is tell you about the direction of the vector. If you have the arrows giving you the direction on your diagram, you can just drop any signs that come out of the equation for Coulomb's law.
Consider the forces exerted on the charge in the top right by the other three:
You have to be very careful to add these forces as vectors to get the net force. In this problem we can take advantage of the symmetry, and combine the forces from charges 2 and 4 into a force along the diagonal (opposite to the force from charge 3) of magnitude 183.1 N. When this is combined with the 64.7 N force in the opposite direction, the result is a net force of 118 N pointing along the diagonal of the square.
The symmetry here makes things a little easier. If it wasn't so symmetric, all you'd have to do is split the vectors up in to x and y components, add them to find the x and y components of the net force, and then calculate the magnitude and direction of the net force from the components. Example 16-4 in the textbook shows this process.
The parallel between gravity and electrostatics
An electric field describes how an electric charge affects the region around it. It's a powerful concept, because it allows you to determine ahead of time how a charge will be affected if it is brought into the region. Many people have trouble with the concept of a field, though, because it's something that's hard to get a real feel for. The fact is, though, that you're already familiar with a field. We've talked about gravity, and we've even used a gravitational field; we just didn't call it a field.
When talking about gravity, we got into the (probably bad) habit of calling g "the acceleration due to gravity". It's more accurate to call g the gravitational field produced by the Earth at the surface of the Earth. If you understand gravity you can understand electric forces and fields because the equations that govern both have the same form.
The gravitational force between two masses (m and M) separated by a distance r is given by Newton's law of universal gravitation:
A similar equation applies to the force between two charges (q and Q) separated by a distance r:
The force equations are similar, so the behavior of interacting masses is similar to that of interacting charges, and similar analysis methods can be used. The main difference is that gravitational forces are always attractive, while electrostatic forces can be attractive or repulsive. The charge (q or Q) plays the same role in the electrostatic case that the mass (m or M) plays in the case of the gravity.
A good example of a question involving two interacting masses is a projectile motion problem, where there is one mass m, the projectile, interacting with a much larger mass M, the Earth. If we throw the projectile (at some random launch angle) off a 40-meter-high cliff, the force on the projectile is given by:
F = mg
This is the same equation as the more complicated equation above, with G, M, and the radius of the Earth, squared, incorporated into g, the gravitational field.
So, you've seen a field before, in the form of g. Electric fields operate in a similar way. An equivalent electrostatics problem is to launch a charge q (again, at some random angle) into a uniform electric field E, as we did for m in the Earth's gravitational field g. The force on the charge is given by F = qE, the same way the force on the mass m is given by F = mg.
We can extend the parallel between gravity and electrostatics to energy, but we'll deal with that later. The bottom line is that if you can do projectile motion questions using gravity, you should be able to do them using electrostatics. In some cases, youıll need to apply both; in other cases one force will be so much larger than the other that you can ignore one (generally if you can ignore one, it'll be the gravitational force).attachment_15294 attachment_15296 attachment_15298 attachment_15300 attachment_15302 1a.GIF 1b.GIF 1c.GIF 1d.GIF 1e.GIF
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#38 · date not recorded
The million dollar question is what happens when we hit the electrode with a hv puls......
Are we able to create such an inbalance between the added electrons and the balanced watermolecules?
Is it not somekind of creating a path for the flow of current?
And did Meyer not stated that the economical way of breaking down the watermolecule is to overcome the attraction force from the oxygen atom towards the electron of the hydrogen atom?
13.4eV?
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#39 · date not recorded
for sure, the hv will align the watermolecule because of his polarisation....
Whats the second stage? -
#40 · date not recorded
Second stage is that mother natur try,s to stabilize the new situation? More electrons means somehow natur will find protons? Protons from the watermolecules?
Or the added electrons will leak out to ground or air or whatever is in contact with the electrode and electrical circuit? -
#41 · date not recorded
OK, I'll try using something which is higher than 13.4 V, rather than lower.
The static on the plates is what polarizes the molecules. Producing this static takes some amount of current. If the current going to the cell exceeds this amount, the molecules will start moving, which is not what we want.
After the molecules are polarized, the second stage is to jerk the electrons repeatedly, to move them further and further from their molecule, until they are pulled free and the molecule breaks apart. Apparently, the applied pulses take care of both stages - charging the plates and jerking on the electrons.
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#42 · date not recorded
is it not like charging 1 plate and removing charge from the other one? -
#43 ·
is it not like charging 1 plate and removing charge from the other one?
That's how it seems to me. And this does require current. But we don't want current going THROUGH the cell; that would result in normal electrolysis. -
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What your talking about. ( It does not matter if the water has electrolyte in it either, at resonance the capacitor that is hooked up to the cell will maintain its charge across the cell!. )
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/235171659_Pulsed_DC_and_Anode_Depolarization_in_Water_Electrolysis_for_Hydrogen_Generation
I didn't think I had a capacitor across the cell, but after thinking about what you said, I finally recognized that the relay's tuning cap is, in fact across the cell when the relay is off, due to the way the buzzer is wired up. When I pulled the cap, I lost all the jitter and also the residual voltage. All that was coming from the cap, not the cell. Thanks for helping me sort it out.
And the meter wire picking up the signal proximately was a case of inductive coupling, not an electroradiant effect. The inductive spikes are not "radiant spikes". -
#45 ·
My 2 cents for part of the proces...
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#46 ·
Hardkrome, is your theory that you present again and again, by use of resonance a hv pulse, till the pulse dies?
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#47 ·
This is not theory. Its a DC resonant charging circuit. However, there are about a half dozen other things that are hidden. So, I do not have to be concerned about the gold diggers and companies trolling this thread for new ideas they can capitalize on.
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#48 · date not recorded
not sure if that is still the case....
I see just some lone crusaders hangen in...
Ok. What is phase 3? How does that look like?
I think we can learn from Puharich s patents.
The Electron extraction trick.....
Its to remove to charged wall of electrons, see picture.
When removed, back to phase 1?
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#49 ·
Right, electron extraction is phase 3. It seems to me that this has to be accomplished with a single wire circuit. Otherwise, with a complete loop electrons would be put back in, behind those which are pulled out. Inductive spikes can place a charge deficit on a cap connected with just one wire. So, when the flip flop switch shifts the pulse train from charging the cell to extracting the freed electrons, perhaps the other cell wire needs to be broken, momentarily? -
#50 ·
depending in the switching frequency, we can choose between mosfets or relais....
The video is showing no switching at all towards the eec....
So much to learn..