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All the gas molecules have the same volume at same pressure and temperature that’s what I mean… for example hydrogen is two parts and oxygen one although it’s 8 time heavier when we split the molecule

However in water molecule form the oxygen is much bigger so in liquid state the oxigên oxygen occupy a larger space and so maybe the radial configuration should be better with the positive from the outer electrode…just a guesss

I was thinking about the water molecule and the way we imagine it is like a two hydrogen molecules and one of oxigênio and when it’s in gas phase they would have the same molecular size however in water molecule liquid the hydrogen may be just a small point near 8 times bigger oxygen atom

So the bigger atom need higher surface to align better?

Multiphase has being in my Mind for days…

Somehow I think the alternator may be the easiest way to get good gas going

Along with infrared, pressure control or maybe vacuum

And probably capacitors to allow the resonance to come over

Meyer mention the tay he Han patent and most probably he used this tech into his and was likely one of the secrets

I think the cell must operate in very much like the way I did the tests 14 years ago but instead using two coils for the resonance at least

The reason is that is was not doubling the frequency… I had the coil and capacitors only on the outer tubes with the diodes back to back from outer to inner tubes in that two isolated cells prototype

So having another coil would let the frequency to double at each capacitor

Also I think the primary must have two sections and two drivers…

For the three phase may not be different but need 3 sets of electordes capacitors a motor to use as a coil conected to the belt and a driver 3 phase for it…

I was thinking of something of gas come out ionized there will always be a deficit of electrons in the cell and subtle capacitance is between the cell and secondary….  It depends if should Be in parallel or series…

The idea of multiphase seems to me like a way to get reactive power to be useful waking the fields thru the cells

I hope to get some time to get my alternator configured to test like this soon

Also want to try the Vic ideas…

That was an strange behavior i still don’t know what was happening but still get that alternator here and is going to be put to test soon... it seems like yours but time consumed the wood i used as base..

You have a nice setup. compliments.. have you tried pulsing it?

i was looking about 3 phases and found something interesting

https://www.tutorialspoint.com/3-phase-induction-motor-definition-working-principle-advantages-and-disadvantages#:~:text=A%203%2Dphase%20induction%20motor,a%20stator%20and%20a%20rotor.

Disadvantages of Three Phase Induction Motor
The disadvantages of a 3-phase induction motor are given as follows −

The 3-phase induction motors are constant speed motors; hence their speed control is very difficult.
3-phase induction motors have poor starting torque and high inrush currents (about 4 to 8 times of the rated current).
They always operate under lagging power factor and during light loads, they operate at very worst power factor (about 0.3 to 0.5 lagging).

Its a kind of transformer with a shorted coil... it pulls the coil forwards and it keeps going...

 

hello guys long time im far very busy trying to live here... now im developing a kind of switching power supply using a thx208 chip etc.. i found that we could perhaps use a kind of feedback of the voltage on the cell and work maybe by regulating the switching frequency and perfect voltage to get the process going..

is not hard it only takes a npntransistor a zener some resistors for the opamp led and a voltage divider and opamp for isolation.

so you can set up the voltage by chosing the zener and using a potentiometer acros the cell..conected to the transistor that trigers the opamp.... maybe a 30k pot...

the opamp output will work as a gate to mantain the charge on the cell as you set up... than you can vary the frequency maintaining aways same voltage on water and see the diference..


on that patent it talks about magnetic fields thought... i think there may need a magnetic field parallel to the electrodes for it to generate electricity thats a very much unexplored area

if id try i would try using toroids facing north each other so that the magnetic field channel thru the center

i think when we apply current on the electrodes the induced magnetic field will be forced out of it and may lock onto the water and when the current is take of the magnetic field force the charged molecules to the electrode back
 

An electric charged particle is a Soure of electric field...

Electric Field Alone wont be able to induce current anywhere. 

To have current output first we need to add work to it energy in form of movement... second this movement must be pulsed or oscilatory so it can induce in a second output coil.

From my perspective the epg tube can be of of this set of coils... I imagine it working like the primary of a tesla transformer...

I did few on the epg tests... hope to have more condition in the future to be able to make more tests...

One thing about the charged particle is that when it's moving is like a wire flowing electricity so it works like a coil and have a certain magnetic field associated with that charge... however a charged particle inside a metallic tube will readily lose its charge to the tube raising the voltage...

The epg should have a manner to keep the charge inside... 

Must have high isolation or there will be no charge at all

The power input is the pressure of the hydrogen produced... and flow is perhaps pulsed by solenoid valves..

Stan show a motor recirculating and so perhaps it mean that the main problems is to keep the ionized particles inside because it takes also power to ionize them... the output will be gases that were not ionized in the process... a tokamak keeps the plasma from touching the walls of the toroid using a toroidal magnetic field... so particles with no charge is not trapped... the higher the pressure more particles will be inside... and hotter it get.

Probably the Power supply amp meter is showing the off time of the pulse. Because the frequency is low.

Try using the oscilloscope

Hey steve.. your graph seems to say that the capacitance or current on the cell is dependent on its charge to a certain degree..

After it reach some charge build on the electrode it maybe change the resistance..

i would be carefull.. you know my car break was cut some years ago... just stay safe

when we look at the kelving water droper

the fields are kind of self sustained...

i think we need some strong electrolysis going on served by a isolated transformer thru a pair of common mode chokes made of long thick wire to keep losses low

L2a=L1+Ñturns
L2b=L1-Nturns

L2b is a tap

having this tap at L2 is possible to feed it from a pair of diodes to aways maintain the charge where it should be

aplying ac but having a control and balanced dc content based on the Nturns

when applying high voltage to L2, L1 will replicate the voltage as common mode so the whole cell will go up and high but whatever is the polarity because the action of the diodes  a dc bias would be formed.

the high voltage transformer must be driven by push pull with a time between the pulses to forme the high voltage spike on both polaritities

We must remember that whatever the polarity is water is aways attracted to it... You can see in the kelving droper example... Mostly ions will be polarity sensitive but water molecules work diferent.. Of couse molecules are going to align for a field applied slow.. But oxygen detain 8 protons and 8 electrons of its own. So it has 8 more times atraction to whatever field source than each hydrogen atom... If we imagine a molecule perfect aligned and apply a reverse polarity to it very sharp we would expect the molecules to get fisicaly repeled before fliping.. 

If we apply ac or a very sharp pulses like those the fracture cell circuit provides to it we are shaking the electrons inside the oxigen atom provided that the field is realy there!

Geometry and circuit desing is the only way to get such fields mix inside there.

I think the chokes are there for allowing the field to keep the high voltage charge applied in the inside electrode impeeding it from traveling thru the circuit and reach the outer electrode for it to make any efect... The field inside a cahrged holow metal is zero...

Thats my two cents on it.. 

Meyer talk about the diode as a switching diode and blocking diode this mean to me that he apply ac spikes to achieve this!

Also his chokes must be wise in maintain the charge
So winding direction is fundamental too ... I seen shields in high voltage coils for example...

Meyer talk about the timeshare rate of electrons being changed by the external electric field applied.. He talks about this zero point energy that comes in when we try to slow down the orbit of the electron by distorting it and how it would return to normal orbit energy state by the universal energy coming in.

Penrose calculated that the energy density of space time is tremendous... If u take a look into quincy st clair patents he talk about using fields to distort the space time and manipulate molecules..

I think the covalent switch off is a mechanism still but have to test to see if is real..

I think that horvath used the same path...

It may be about using high voltage pulse in a manner that it switch off the covalent bound in a strong polarized cell

Geometry is key and also circuit design to be able to get the fields where they should and strong enough to happen the covalent switchoff

I believe is about applying a high positive or negative pulse to the inside electrode while having strong electrolysis happening

My idea is that when the molecules are polarized in one direction and you punch it with a reverse polarity pulse of very short duration it would shake the electrons and toss out the hydrogen molecules instead of having to pass current to split them..

Believe is believe and pratic is pratic..

I understand all you wrote steve... I think is correct... But to real flex the molecules some field may be required... We know theres milions of volts electric fields inside the cell at the double layer barrier. Perhapps we could use them

i think we re all curious to see it. tells us more please?

 

what you done there?

i kind of see this happening in the past but it was a cable that were not well contact with the electrode in my case..

very interesting...!

/i guess this is totally related to the pressure it can pulse thru .. .

the magnetic field with the velocity would create a decent voltage

stan said the hydrogen while trying to link up withe the oxygen will fail because the oxygen would steal its electron entirely this would form at leat one charged species or two ... first the hydrogen because it missing an electron and so cannot link to anything and second the oxygen could be neutral or charged if it was initially charged of at least 2


so my ideas are if we get hydrogen over heated and oxygen ionized something has to happen different

i tell you one thing that brought me this thought

after i got this generator i started to think why all this guys (stan horvath and others dingel .... ) simply didnt hooked up the hydrogen generator to a fuel cell to get infinite electricity ? well

hydrogen burning in a open flame may or may not be different than burning in a high pressurized and high initial temperature combustion situation

to start with the engine accumulate a lot of cinnetic energy of the parts turning that is capable of adding pressure and therefore temperature to the system cyclically .. and loose only a part doing it since the forces involved are mainly non dissipative... this mean that it can be able to pump the hydrogen to the degree where it would literally produce a superheated gas that react with different molecules until it toss out an electron or something that will link it with oxygen (electron required)

so the basic idea would be a resonant combustion.. a combustion that dont consume the products for the first reactions...

thinking this way you can think if it would react 3 times or 10 times before neutralise we can gaing much more than 10 times the energy because it would continue to heat...

it the fracture cell by eccles he claim that heat is generated by the reformation of hydrogen molecule from hydrogen atoms and also oxygen... because he state that generate monoatomic gases and they get together to form molecules generating heat.

i think if this formation refomation and combustion keeps happening it would generate the juice...

another thing i have in mind is a italian reseacher that use to post things here and tell us that he was actually messing up with the nitrogen to get the detonation boost.. i guess he was onto something... name is tutanka here in the forum if you want to search the old posts if they still... he was also writing at the energetic forum if i remember well..

Steve, aluminum can be used to generate electricity while it decomposes.. you just need two electrodes within the naoh solution... a copper electrode will give 1.1v if i remember well or 0.7 with alluminum...

this energy can drive other electrolysis cells or generate heat to convert the alluminum back to metal liberating oxigen on site...

of course you will end up with more than you can convert back but would extend the operation at least 100 % i guess

the current will be dependent on the aluminum piece size and copper... only alluminum will be consumed... however the water will turn blue after a while due to some copper dillution...

i tested this back in 2008 it was one  of my eureka moments i even dreamed about it one year before...

i guess to run a fixed generator wont be much difficult...

i have here now a 2.5kw generator gasoline... i want to test with some kilos of alluminum scrap i have here ... i got the generator last year but bad time with money to keep things going for now... i´m trying to get back working with film making that use to give me more conditions to spend money in this... the beer business demanded too much from me now fun but not very healthy this days for me ...  i have a pangastrite now...

Here you can sell the energy back to the company but they only seem to give credits not real money in exchange...

did you measure how much water you convert per killo of alluminum?

Ok Steve and all
First decide if you are going to use a tube open cell with one or more tubes
Are you going to have two tubes or tubes with a rods?

Or a plate open cell as above with plates in pairs instead of tubes

Or what is known as cell stack, this has a number of stacked plates and most time with spacers.
With these the electrolyte whatever you use flows through the whole cell stack.
It can be pumped through or use convection.

There are the formats that I know and I have tried them all
There is another is completely different a special one of my own.
It is an open cell but the electrodes are of expanded metal
One is SS and the other is coated or plated palladium is one that could be used.
Then they are connected SS the negative and the plated the positive
This is the first time that I have let on about this type to any one and it has never been on open source.
and again one circuit that can be used in many ways
The circulating currents are calculated by V/R when at resonance  DC Reistance
I will see if I can give you an example
Brian

is this file empty? from the docs you posted everything i try download seems empty... why?

perhaps you should use a low voltage like 0,5v