sebosfato

Yes… i think so too..

but the mean free path limit that speed dissipating…

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See the power

Calculate the following

The length of the wave of 5khz on water

Than look to see how ultrasonic cleaning works

It will become self evident the relation

Specially after reading the ultrasonic patent Meyer cited on the Pll patent and understanding the phenomena of anti resonance on piezo for welding


Than I sum with magnetic field and bang here is how it all relates and is the only possible way to generate voltage on a cell with tube inside tube geometry

I made thousands of hand drawings thousands of hours of work  until I got here

Believe it or not

I hope you guys figure it out.  This will likely be my last post here.

Fabio, you're way overcomplicating it.

Ciao

I may be but this is my two cents on it…

I’m always open to discussing this ideas and explain better whatever I could not be clear

So if you have a working system I’ would be really glad to learn from it but it is just about opinion and not facts than we must look into ourselves why is so important to be right on something we just believe and didn’t see work

Unfortunately for now I’m not able to spend time on this because I’m focusing on my work for now … but maybe next year I can take a time to make some more tests

I would like to hear what you understand from what I posted and why you think is so complicated? I show in the lives I posted my setup and I don’t really think Is so complicated…

The thing is that we need to reach the level to show any signs of gas

Have you watched the videos lives I posted few months ago?

When anyone come saying well I have the amp restriction here it is why would not I believe ?

When Ronnie came long ago with all that theory I gave all the attention trying to learn anything I could from it but than nothing came from it

And during my last work i realized that simply they were not on the right track at all

Actually when I started questioning I was rapidly kicked out of the “team work”

That’s the problem that happens when we cannot sustain our ideas with facts

And here is why I can not only explain but also show what I’m talking about so this are just facts and not my opinion

We need to stop taking things personal and be open mind for new ideas otherwise what’s the point in only being right

The reason I share my ideas is first for them to be understood than to be scientifically challenged and even debunked but it need to be understood first otherwise again what’s the point debunking without even trying?

I spend like almost  2k dollars at the time of ronie team to make my cell and stuff and I’m still thankful for the experience even without any result I learned a lot from it

Ciao ma rimani con noi!

When I did my Vic I do in two parts one part  is a cc transformer and one is the coils over the cell

The coils over the cell must be tuned with a capacitor for the frequency of the cavity

And the cavity is tuneable by length change with a cap that goes inside

The transformer Vic let’s call this way carry two coils having one secondary and primary

Another having a secondary section with a feedback coil over it 

This decond bobbin is farther than the primary so when it receive current from the first secondary that is together with the primary it reverses its voltage 180 degrees flipping the feedback signal

When current drop to zero the phase reverts so the Pll can lock at this exact frequency

This happen because the second bobin is not good coupled to the primary so the first secondary that is well coupled wins and being in series with the other secondary summing it actually make the other secondary act as a primary to the feedback coil

When current drops its voltages and currents get under equilibrium so the voltges sum but cure nT cannot flow since the transducer is saturated

When I tell you water become the medium of the transducer that is the electronic component formed by water

A piezzo transducer is just like a capacitor

But it’s dielectric expand under electric field

The Vic and Pll is simply a way to drive it to resonance

It can be done in many ways

The Vic construction as I show in my live videos make it easier since the feedback coil reverse polarity and make the Pll tube to the condition where the current drops to zero

Simple as that and of course complex but works this way and I showed that live

A transducer is like a speaker or like a subwoofer for example if you drive it to resonance it will explode like on those old rock videoclips

If water is the component it will break apart

The thing  as I tried to explain is that when you get the electric resonance with magnetic field at the cell and sincronize with the tube resonance it will cause a back emf that will impede current flow and therefore require ever increasing voltage to keep power going in

That’s why the Vic has two sections one gives voltage at low current and one resonated to get high current magnetic field to interact with water

This is what lead to resonance

I got a magnetic field meter last year and it lead me to understand how they behave in distance

You all should experiment with that

I also believe to have a great understanding of the Vic and of all claimed by Stan but never got any good gas from it

The closer I got to what I could call amp restriction was the way I described using the Vic coils in resonance over the cell

Using pure water the restriction was greater I guess because the voltage drop occur on the gap above some voltage

From my understanding the bubbles won’t be able to restrict the amps in exponential form it may be linear at most with current flow so it would only impede current above a very very high current and this is not what we hear from Meyer he indeed talk about miliamps

I ask why you believe to understand why you so sure of that because although I even heard some people claiming such idea of the gas being the precursor of the reaction non of them ever show anything working so I’m totally skeptical until lay least a graph show some non linear behavior

Physics don’t lie and from the lenz law we have most needed understanding to create electromagnetic transducer

So far it seem to me the Chinese device is pretty much interesting and I would bet they are using direct induction

I may find some time this weekend to try that

I already have the components needed I just need time

But why you believe that? Did you ever got any monster gas production in this condition or maybe amp restriction with some gas?

So far as long as I ever see only magnetic field could indeed interfere with the ions

Please explain what you mean … I understand of course whatever scientific term you use

Let’s try to get somewhere

I tried hard to find any changes in water resistance with lab view and got nothing for a long time

Do you have different results?

The stacked resonant cell had coils on it build in Vic so my best guess is that they probably worked in a Quadrature manner as to not only drive the waves but synchronized and amplify the waves along the tube

There’s a lot to do more but again I’m very positive that it can work at least theoretically

Ideally would be possible to achieve more efficiency with superconductor capacitors and coils

My recent work on adding magnetic field to the cell is clear on how resistance increase because when the ions are under magnetic field they are deflected! The hole point is having enough field and right configuration so the waves can grow and the cell work as a generator…

The higher the acoustic energy build the higher will be the voltage because lenz law

The cell must act as a resonant cavity but not are electromagnetic waves but for pressure waves

My theory tells that if we otherwise apply ultrasound directly and tune to this having an electrode the size of the peak of the movement of ions than you can have it to accumulate voltage and this voltage will act as a resistance reducing the current flow

I believe the chineesed videos I posted they may have used it

Muito triste ver o mundo ruindo assim… mas ainda tenho esperança…

Unfortunately due to significant health issues, I don't really actively work on this project anymore. Every once in a while a tinker with it.

Embora eu tenha aprendido português brasileiro nos últimos anos. 😂

Espero que esteja bem amigo! Também fiquei um tempão parado por vários motivos mas pude voltar finalmente para tentar provar minha teoria.

Da uma lida no outro thread e me diz o que acha da minha ideia de como isso funciona.

I wish you the best healing! Hope I can bring you hope!

Acho que finalmente faz sentido físico!

Quote from: sebosfato on April 22, 2024, 04:17:29 am

Check my YouTube channel tomorrow you will see hopefully a demonstration of current being restricted and voltage taking over
I hope to be able to show the  stepped up waveform with double frequency just like Stan show

No magic

I’m starting to  think that those tube cells was only for comparison with.electrolysis

Remember who wins the war tell the story

Who's at war?  I've already done the wave form too.

I mean after Stan passed his stuff we’re only found years later and probably some of that stuff could be from someone who worked trying to make it work again for example … in my experience we will never know the true of what happen and how exactly he did.. so who wins the war tells the story stands for we know what they left us to know…

That said getting to the point the correct way of measuring the cell voltage would be using a resistor in series with it at least so you guarantee the voltage of the resistor is the same in both the situations… if in any way the voltage across the resistor plus cell is greater for same current flow than you can have some sort of effect

However I did it many times and found nothing I encourage you too look further

Now I’m into make the water work as the electron source… that for me is what will change its resistance

The whole process of electric polarization as I described on my thread not sure if you read it…

Im building a very nice setup so I can demonstra it well

I’m even thinking about using labview to plot the impedance curve of the cell in order to have a better understanding on how to improve it better

The way I would do it would be using a resistor in series and one in parallel with the cell as a divider

On labview than we can show the power the impedance whatever

The thing is a plot of voltage around the cavity resonating frequency

Is it filtered dc? How much ripple you have?

This can make a huge difference… also the internal resistance of the power supply should be taken into account…

Depending on how you are measuring you could maybe getting rid of the ripples using the coils reducing the peaks

Can you explain more? Or tell how much effect you could compare?

Yes thats very interesting… and is the reason i believe we must keep the impedance of the bifilar really down to get power into the cell or to match to it.since the cell have ver low impedance… and even negative since is a capacitive load!

I did some of this tests already in the past like 6 years ago.. no need to do with more care measuring everything

Why not use solder designed for stainless steel?  That's what I did.

i wanted to solder a 12awg… here to ask some one to do it with silver would be expensive… i tried and could not get it soldered my self… so i decided the plating would be a easy try … not so easy but i could solder with common iron… it was not easy too.. the layer is very thin and detach easy
but in the end i made 4 and made the cell…

all i used was some batery acid and old copper coils

Well, my new setup uses 316 wire connected directly to the cell.  We shall see.

if there is no different metals exposed to the water you will be able to see this difference probably…

there was for me a eureka moment when i discovered that aluminum would give 1v with copper and some amps .. and with that i understood that there is this chemical oxidation potential of the metals and so different metals cause a voltage and if they are in electric contact and with water they will be able to discharge!!

One thing you must remember also is that when you “conditioning” your cell  your certainly transfering ions from one electrode to the other specialy above few volts… since stainless steel is a composition of metals the one with lower strength will go to the other electrode…. and the other electrode also is going to oxide to some extent so you may expect a voltage after conditioning for say… if you short them you may see this bubbles for for a while i guess too.. but will be much less i guess than with the aligator imersed…

my new cell i used some electroplating to solder the copper to the 304 material… i electroplated the tip of the electrode so i could solder with easy… wasnt easy to electroplate thought hahah

The pipes are 304 and 316L.  You can see the bubbles coming off the alligator clips too.

it was probably consuming the aligator clips! i would think of that..

I really am not sure I can agree with that.  This ran for hours afterwards like this.

you commented on the video that it was being conditioned for few hours before…

Steve notice this effect too some years ago.. i think we came to that conclusion after discussing a little about it… it takes a long time for the bubbles to stop.. lets see if he can comment he may remember better…

i notice it first time with aligator clips and with other metals that was not pure stainless steel 304 or 316…

if there is anything plated to it is not pure and this ions can attach from one electrode to the other due to the electric force we are applying