sebosfato

One thing I was thinking

Meyer patent gives turns ratios and the voltage input 100 volts

This could give insight about the core he used on the patent

I use the common formula for pulsed transformer
Where turns equals =
Volts / bmax / area m2 / frequency / 2

If it was bidirectional pulse or square wave the last factor is 4 and for sine 4,4

Bmax is usually 0,3 Tesla for ferrite and 1,2 for lamination

Yes gpt is every day worse.. few months ago was incredible … today it’s a lot dumber and lazy

You can perhaps run some calculation to find the optimum angle and 3d print a suporte to hold them

I believe it will increase the interaction with the water cell space

The ferrrite you can glue with super glue usually loose very little of the original permeability depending on where broken

I would also polish the electrodes to look like mirrors is not so hard

Use a car paste for polishing at the end phase

Very nice electrodes

If maybe you apply the leds light in a certain angle it will make shine all the cavity instead of going perpendicular straight to it

I’m very interested in your theory! And I agree the system would better fit industrial appliances however I calculated recently that if the water can indeed generate electricity it would be possible to have a car runing with only hydrogen with the expense of at least one third of its output power…

I came up with some calculations using chat gpt that the cavity can be used in a sort of generator mode if hiring at its antiresonant point and provided some geometric forms fields are present so that water will resonant with its sound proprieties causing displacement of the charges in reference to the field generating a voltage that must be consumed in order to generate the gas… feeding back this energy is what make it possible to become overunity since the energy is coming out at same time as hydrogen is generated so it may basically convert kinetic energy into electrically but as the hydrogen is generated backwards as long as the electricity it would suppose to consume there is no voltage drop so basically electric input is not consumed directly… only at diodes and resistances and of course the displacement of water that also may cause heat. Since the generation of hydrogen is endothermic this heat may be absorbed causing the so called cooling effect while operating the cell…

I calculated that and is all well explained in my thread so I hope you can later check to that and tell your point view on that

Basically my understanding is that after creating hydrogen in an effective manner it can be simply used as it is since it can create a cop of at least 9 theoretically or higher so actually an electric vehicle would be better use of it than a combustion engine

Now if later we can ionize and provide more bang to the buck is a second question to answer. I think may be addressed in the same manner of the first…

One thing that come to my mind is making coils big like

8 inch long 2 inch square thick and revisit Meyer theory of amp restriction but having high power applied to that

Very cool sounding… I did some music connecting the pll circuit to a speaker too… sounded a bit different very playable!!!

You sound like chorus effect on guitar may mean your frequencies are not sync…

I believe Meyer used this gated pulse to control… however from what I’m seeing about how the pll works and how the Q factor should be and how much it can get out of resonance all the time… summed with the patent pll info… I would say the gate must be much longer otherwise it won’t be able to lock if is to few pulses!

I believe the gate period must by at least as long as the sweep or longer

Also the sweeep should be reset by the gate somehow if used that way when the pulses start it always start from low frequency

The only way I see to reduce the current is to purify water… but than no electrolysis happens!

Yes, I agree. Duty Cycle Pulses were Stan's method of controlling this sustained polarization and bursting amplitudes.

Also, most people never realize the great inhibition on tuning pulses and core saturation, that a percentage based duty cycle adjustment causes. All your signal generators are flawed, making it nearly impossible to tune replications of Stan's circuits due to all the differences in the VIC Matrix caused by parasitics and ideal vs real component behaviors.

Only having independent width and spacing control circumvents this flaw. I'm writing an article on my research on this subject that I will share sometime soon.

What you mean? With flawed signal generators? What would make it impossible to tune? To have mark space is not hard… even the pll can be made to have variable duty cycle… the fracture cell also Is some very good for the abilities

I believe you want to charge up the cell using voltage LESS THAN what is needed to achieve electrolysis.  This is the only way to get a charge on the cell. Once the cell is charged, only then should the high voltage pulse hit it to liberate the charge.  If you keep hitting it with +electrolysis voltage, that's all you're going to get. The coils should be opposing reach other and tuned appropriately.  This limits it to charging as the fields cancel each other out.   If tuned right, this also helps keep the initial voltage low.  This would start the process.  Once you get the cell charged to where you want it, then up the voltage and retune resonance to up the voltage so high spikes crack all the water that has already been charged below electrolysis voltage.

I have this belief too.. somehow I believe when Stan talk about the cell working like a short circuit is about making the minimum required voltage become zero at some point and even reversed!

you also will have zero volts across the water in that way

Nice, Seb.
I once, made schematic 1.
It worked. It boosted nicely...

Nice to see you back un the game..

Did you went for pure water in this tests?  Man I really think we got wrong for so long actually me… I shame I could never put like 3kw in a cell … my fail

This were my last prototypes I never run

Mind is everything… whoever was that cut my breaks and made so many bad stuff to me is already paying luckily their ball already fall down… my break line Is the last thing they wish to cut…. Nothing is worst than a man who has nothing to loose.

Hope to be back more soon… i realize the last 6 years I did so few of what I should… when my dad got sick I kind of put all my study in a box like I could not open it because of so much mess.. but luckily time pass and bill gates is going to fkng  pay!

We had so few time to get there… bill is going to pay! Every second lost!

I did a few drawings last night hope you enjoy the trip…

This circuits doubles the pulse and allow the voltage to grow to a certain degree of course the thicker the wire the higher current it will absorb… when the correct frequency is find than it could be arranged as a resonant tank…


The main idea is that the shorted coil among the two cores act as a secondary and primary to each other as pulse goes…

As you can see is a sort of booster converter but coupled to each other loosely with a coil making in a manner to allow the secondary side to output some of the power acting as a load while the first side accumulate more and more power at this time the secondary side is already making a pulse because of the coupling and the square wave flips the first side will dump the energy as a pulse while now the second transformer charges while sustaining the pulse of the first transformer… the size of this shorted coil in number of turns will determine the voltage output I guess…

The idea is that when high current stop or change direction you get high pressure

If you think about water has a changing impedance… having a polímero filter is possible to get it up to 2kohm resistance at 0ppm

However the difficult part has always being that we want a circuit that apply voltage in a manner that it will be able to actually get higher and higher pulses in voltage while keeping same frequency “maybe”

Meyer wisely went for direct action in series
tayhehan made water inside a capacitor of high dielectric strength
Fracture cell use a combination of capacitances

I went for high power since low didn’t worked as expected… if you want to apply 2kv 10 amps this is 20kw… this requires a huge power supply! So the idea is that if we need power first you need to have big coils big cores etc

How much power do we really need ?  Well it first depends on the water resistance secondly it depends on what voltage we want yo get

So if we want to get 1000 real volt pulse in the kilohertz range we need a choke capable of that…

As you see with 2kohm 1 amp this is already a 2kw power supply !!! If getting from 220v this is just 10 amps…

So with a 2kv Igbt a nice choke set and full wave bridge rectifier with perhaps some nice capacitors around we could get a power juice to drop in water… if you need more voltage the choke can have another like a secondary on top… I think at this point I would simply put full wave bridge rectifier using two diodes

I think this way a 1,2 kv igbt could be used

I would go for air core at this point!!! Or at least start with because this sort of power would require big cores… how big?


There is some calculation for chokes

My two cents… a shorted coil coupling two separate cores behaves like a resonant tank at whatever frequency… it gets hundreds of amps… u are correct about the current voltage relation… I guess somehow this very high magnetic field is what could maybe restrict this amps… another educated guess I would do is that the coil must be able to have current flow capability otherwise it’s going to work really hot! I really think the epg was more likely to be the core of the system…

A copper tube works like a coupling magnetic field among the coils… a very good one if you keep current at certain level…I would say it’s a two sides of the same coin

My thoughts on this arise from William Barbat device and some work I did on this… there is post about this tests somewhere..I was working on regenerative feedback…

We could perhaps achieve this with two chokes on individual I cores wound longitudinally having another coil of very thick wire shorted over both… and pulsed in series with the cell

I was working with CC cores there were 3 or 4 at the time

The primary was at one transformer and the 3 turns 1inch thick wire couples this with other two or 3 cores and at this cores I had a output coil… the higher the load the higher was the current on the coupling coil …  I think this was a sort of demonstration that a coupling can be something that change the game…

What makes it not a real short circuit is that the coupling is not perfect but mainly because it become like a two transformer so is one secondary and one primary in one coil

I would investigate winding a coil around this thick wire to see the behavior on that too.. may work could be done

I wish most luck to all working on this… I’m doing my best to be back on lab with time to do it

Laser cut

electro erosion

Light amplification by stimulated emission of radiation

co2 laser? Mirrors? Water laser?

From what I understand when the population is said inverted and a beam of light cross it it get amplified..

Would the same occur with water?

Meyer had a spherical cell design with an opening for a laser

This tell me that the laser may only be needed for the starting of the reaction
As I described there is a possibility that when the electrons are recombined it creates a new photon that will keep going

Somehow it may become full of photons and that’s the point of gas on demand

Looking into the easer

https://www.toppr.com/ask/question/the-amplitude-of-electric-field-in-a-parallel-light-beam-of-intensity-4wm2-is/

In this links you see the electromagnetic force an electron will experience if a beam of light walks thru it….

Basically to increase the electric field you can focus the beam to a point and now this come to that movie about cold fusion with Morgan freeman

A focus beam of light interacting with high voltage fields

Basically the light may have enough energy to initially disturb the electron to a position where the electric field applied will be relevant to keep the molecule atoms apart

Because Meyer say there is no current involved it seems to me that the reaction may cause a sort of series discharge along the water thickness as it had hundreds of cells in series… that can only be possible if the point of resonance is achieved because the molecules within the volume is going to be polarized just like the molecules around the plates

Laser energy may be required or maybe focus sunlight could be used for tests… however of course is not practical

Meyer talk about infrareds and visible light

Infrareds are in the absorption spectrum of water as it causes stretching or vibrating and or combinations of it at specific frequencies

The reason why I believe it extremely necessary to really do any effect in the molecule is because of the order of magnitude of the electron field is kind of 1000fold of the obtainable electric field applied to water

If  we consider quantum mechanics it tells that there is energy there already and so there may be moments where the electrons are in a region where it is able to receive the electric field

Looking at it from a laser perspective if most of molecules are resting in peace than is not possible to achieve lasing laser occurs when all the energy of the molecules are trigered and released all at once

So we need to pump the molecules to that state to be able to get that triggereable reaction

My educated guess is that this energy would be released in the form of monoatomic molecules that secondarily forms diatomic molecules generating heat (vibration) or perhaps a burst of  same light  that may return the energy to surrounding molecules of water

If we have a piece of iron laying in the ground and we want a magnet to be able to pull it up it than it need to have a force greater than gravity to start any movement of the iron in the up direction.

Similarly if water is in the energy range where it has a rest state it will not be able to oscillate by the electric field applied if it’s not greater than the force holding the water together, however I imagine that any disturbance invalidates this already since it is not in rest state anymore than there may be interaction of the applied electric field to some extent even if very small.

Pressure is equivalent to gravity force in a sense and so it is possible to convert this force  into work

Kelvin water drop is a manner to generate electricity using charging by induction principle

Is a low current high voltage power source and so is no so useful

Generating h2 generates pressure so the mass of h2 o2 x pressure equal to work… of course real world situation would prevent too high of pressure but from This we can conclude that work can be extracted back after generating the gas

Now…if we have pressure, and mass to flow, should be possible to use this in a feedback manner reducing the input energy required

My guess is that it could be using the kelvin mechanism to generate electricity and afterwards further causing ionization of the gas

There is aways balance so if we take electron from somewhere it will be in excess elsewhere so I’m not sure how far Meyer is from theory