How the VIC Really Works
Started by unknown · · 17 posts · last reply 29 January 2025
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I am going to spell it all out here. Please do not hijack this topic.
I will endeavour to update the descriptive post while also answering your questions.
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Many of us have read the patents and the forums, watched videos, taken measurements and tried to emulate Meyer's designs. Unfortunately, we've all been missing key understanding of how the VIC actually works. The VIC, being made up of a transformer, 2 choke coils, a diode and a water capacitor seems very simple. However, there are a number of overlapping electronic principles at work.
First, let's identify the problem. We want to get a high voltage charge across water with low current.
At first glance, we see an AC circuit, as it is being powered by a transformer. But then we see a diode and say, no, it's rectified so it's a DC circuit. But then we also have a capacitor in between 2 coils so we say, but resonance.
Is the VIC an AC circuit or DC circuit? Well, it’s both. The VIC is a DC circuit, because of the diode. And high voltage with low current means high resistance would be needed per the DC equation V=IR. BUT, the VIC has an AC element because there is not just one but 2 coils in series with a capacitor. These introduce an LC resonant element within the DC circuit. As a result, the choke coils and water capacitor IS subject to the resistance laws of an AC circuit, V=IZ. As such, reactive impedance at the resonant frequency of the LC element now plays a part in minimizing the current in the VIC and if the VIC is designed and tuned correctly will take precedence over the resistive quality of the water.
The next element is the chokes that make up the LC element. The chokes are configured to be in a mutually opposing inductive configuration. This means that the sum of the inductance of the opposing chokes is actually the value to be used when calculating the resonant frequency with the water capacitor. For example, if choke 1 is 4H and choke 2 is 3.6H, then the sum of the mutually opposing chokes is 400mH and this is the value to determine the resonant frequency with the LC element of the whole water cell. They must be configured in a mutually opposing configuration and have a total combined inductance that allows the reactive impedance to be lower than or (ideally) equal to the water's resistivity.
The reactive impedance (Z) needs to be greater than or (ideally) equal to the water's resistivity (R) for the VIC to function optimally. This ensures that the water maintains its resistive role in limiting current flow while the LC circuit efficiently builds voltage. Making the resistivity of the water as equal to the reactive impedance impedance matches the water cell and maximizes power transfer to charge the water cell.
Now here is an element that I believe is almost always missed. It's the RC frequency. Each tube pair is a capacitor and a resistor in parallel, given that the water that will be in it has a resistive property. This creates a RC frequency. We want to make sure that the RC frequency of a single tube pair (yes, just one of the pairs) matches the LC frequency of the whole water fuel cell (yes all the tube pairs in series combined). This allows all the individual tube pairs in water to charge simultaneously.
So, both V=IR and V=IZ must be taken into consideration. V=IR for the RC component and V=IZ for the LC component. At resonance, the individual impedance of each choke affect the DC current, while the mutual opposing inductance affects the AC current at resonance.
Now this is where the secondary frequency, or gate pulse comes in. It needs to be set in such a way to allow the RC time constant to be sufficient to get a high enough charge on the RC tube pairs. The gate pulse frequency appears to depend on the RC time constant and operates effectively between 5 Hz and 10 Hz in simulation. Further investigation is needed to formalize this relationship.
These principles are derived from experimentation, theoretical analysis and simulation, providing a strong foundation for future experimental validation.
There you have it. All these elements must be designed and tuned precisely in order to be able to get the water capacitor to a sufficient charge.
This also includes the assumption that the water will never fully be expelled from the tubes, and so therefore will be a constant resistive element. -
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But how to deal with the resistance when voltage goes up? -
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As voltage increases across the water capacitor, the system's behavior is influenced by two factors:
Water’s Resistive Properties (V=IR):
The water’s resistivity imposes a limitation on current flow. However, in the VIC, the focus is on leveraging the reactive impedance (Z) of the LC circuit to dominate over the water’s resistive element. At resonance, the reactive impedance of the LC circuit minimizes current, even as voltage builds up.
Reactive Impedance (V=IZ):
As resonance is achieved, the mutual opposing inductance of the chokes creates a high reactive impedance, which limits current flow effectively. The key is to design the system so that the reactance of the LC circuit dominates over the water’s resistance, maintaining low current despite rising voltage.
To handle the resistance as voltage rises, ensure the LC circuit is precisely tuned to resonance, so its reactive impedance takes precedence over the water’s resistive losses.
Align the RC time constant of individual tube pairs with the LC resonance of the entire water capacitor, allowing the system to charge efficiently without excessive current flow. -
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Its worth to test this, dont you think? -
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Its worth to test this, dont you think?
Working on it. Health limitations. But I'd definitely say yes. The math does all add up. -
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Just a further clarification on the chokes. They must be configured in a mutually opposing configuration and have a total combined inductance that allows the reactive impedance to be lower than or (ideally) equal to the water's resistivity. Making the resistivity of the water as equal to the reactive impedance impedance matches the water cell and maximizes power transfer to charge the water cell.
The reactive impedance (Z) needs to be greater than or (ideally) equal to the water's resistivity (R) for the VIC to function optimally. This ensures that the water maintains its resistive role in limiting current flow while the LC circuit efficiently builds voltage.
Making the resistivity of the water as equal to the reactive impedance impedance matches the water cell and maximizes power transfer to charge the water cell.
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So how do we deal with the issue that the resistance changes when gasbubbles occur?
The more hho forms, the higher the resistance, i suppose?
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If anything yes. But there will always be water bridging the electrodes, so all we are mainly concerned about is the value at least resistance so we can design for appropriate reactive impedance. -
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I remember that the brother of Stan mentioned that the wfc of Stanley was producing sparks....
Can you position that statement, with the current knowledge of you?
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If Stan’s WFC was producing sparks, it would indicate a breakdown of the water’s dielectric properties, allowing an arc between the electrodes. While this seems counterproductive to the VIC’s goal of maintaining a high-voltage, low-current field, sparks could occur if the voltage exceeded the breakdown threshold of the water’s resistivity and dielectric strength.
This might have happened during testing phases or, possibly, as part of the design for water injectors intended to replace spark plugs. These injectors may have deliberately utilized sparks to ignite the hydrogen-oxygen gas mixture.
Although I have not personally observed sparks in my setup, I believe it is possible with precise tuning. The small gap between the tubes (1 mm or less) and the formation of gas bubbles could create a temporary air gap, making conditions suitable for an arc to form. -
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If anything yes. But there will always be water bridging the electrodes, so all we are mainly concerned about is the value at least resistance so we can design for appropriate reactive impedance.
If you were referring to this post, there will always be water bridging the electrodes at some point, even if it was only at the edges of the bottom where the water enters. It's unavoidable. -
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Meyer said explicitly it was a generator and that water was the electron source, he also says he use resonance at audio frequencies… and also that he didn’t break any laws of physics so from generator theory you get only few ways to accomplish it some electrostatic some magnetic some electromagnetic etc I think you should stop loosing time and go where he tried to point instead of what he had to say to keep it from getting in the wrong hands.
Happy new year
Instead of trying to believe more and more go the opposite way! Look the patents citations instead is all there!
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The ideal reactive impedance needs to be carefully tuned so that some current flows—just enough to allow the voltage to build up—but not so much that electrolysis dominates. This means impedance must be high enough to limit current flow, yet low enough to allow proper energy transfer to charge the water capacitor to high voltage.
The configuration of the chokes is where the impedance matching needs to be properly tuned. -
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Resonance with 2.5V input.
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Resonance with 2.5V input.
120kV P-P
Nice schematic...
Have you tried it in a real wfc?
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