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Adding electrolyte would raise the dielectric constant.... I was thinking perhaps is good to have a composite electrolyte having a salt and a base or acid... This way there is going to be more ions of both types

i believe when the circuit is open somehow the ions that were deposited on the electrode are being oxidized and becoming hydrogen lets research what could be those ions

to effectively polarize the molecules we need to reach a greater voltage since up to 1,23 v almos all the electric field is in the dual layer where there are no molecules only the free ions...

so to effectively polarize it it must get over it.. so meyer says he get up to 1000 v

is not really hard to get this voltage on water if i remember well i could have up to 2000ohms per cell so to really get 1000 volts it would only need 0.5 amps (de-ionized rain water)

this is 500W with that resistance range

you would just need a 500W 1000v transformer or pulse the coils with this amount of power

if working from 12v would require 41,666 amps ... so all you need is to pulse a coil with 41,666 amps basically and get this into the water thru a 83 times bigger coil

this would be the brute force

but if we use coils is possible to make them reach higher voltages for brief moments and maybe that is better for the job

a coil will develop unrestricted voltage if the current is not 0 and it is interrupted

the only restriction to the voltage is the power accumulated on the primary and the actual resistance of the interrupted path 

so basically theoretically not taking into count the other real world effects the voltage will be equal to the current times the resistance of the path so whatever coil with 0,5 amps could give 1000v to water?

in the real world coils have self capacitance and in our case water also is a capacitor so the thing is how much energy we need in the coil to get this voltage there and for how long will durate the discharge 

the time period for a coil to discharge its energy is dependent on its inductance and resistance so the greater is the resistance the shortest will be the discharge t=L/R it takes 5 time periods like this to full discharge

capacitors also have a time constant  t = C*R and also inductors and capacitor also have a resonant frequency= 1/2pi(L*C)^-1/2

so when you look at all this with the water capacitor you need to find first what is the energy it need to get 1000v than how much would cost of energy for second to maintain it from ohms law

in one patent meyer say something that made me understand that perhaps applying a pulse of greater voltage starting as a peak would make the current flow for the whole cycle



 

Hey this is very nice to see.. thanks for looking up for the video...

the residual charge left on the tube was decreasing from the metter perspective

you said it keep like that for hours and that it was a 304 material with spring water? what is the characteristics of this type of water?

 really seem to me that the electrodes are discharging the charge left on them to the water it could do this until reach zero volts..

you also mentioned that it was charged for a long time before.. i wonder if you may not have electroplated some zinc on the electrode or some kind of metal from the water that later keep dissociating,,

i say this because is very few bubbles and they have a constant production and than stop

Could there be a chance Stan was ahead of Witricity with 2nd resonance technology or is it totally off base with that?

what do you mean ? i didnt understood...

TS

if the gas generated was so small in your test, how can you tell us that it were indeed working? 

ii already build some cells where it aparently was producing the gas still after the power was took out but after some minutes it was gone...

steve and i had lot of discussions about it while i was still living in europe...  at that time there was someone interested into the experiments we were running and they asked us about the gibbs free energy of the system we were working at

after some years i learned that sometimes can have a potential difference because the surface of the metal is somewhat different or is not the same composition... and it would force the generation of some gas to compensate...

i would really love to see the video with your effect to be able to understand if it was something we already see or if we should really dig into!

i hope you found something... what is just getting me worried is what you said about the low productivity

stan says that at 5khz it should convert galons of water with a 3inch cell

the closer i got to this was when in italy i applied unfiltered full wave  bridge rectified 220v to a pair of plates 10x20x4mm spaced like 8cm apart and it was able with 3 amps to evaporate 1 liter per hour... it was a very violent production with lot of steam but was hard to get the hydrogen to burn because of the water vapor.. between the plates there was a sponge from a microfone box  i was trying to use it to increase the resistance by reducing the water amount .. it was just tap water from italy (hard water)

look at this paper about high energetic events in water electrolys..

well i agree with this idea... we actually were discussing about it... about having dc and pulsed dc over it but with an oposite bang to break the bonds .. i talked a lot and had no opportunity to finish yet..

you are electrical engineer too ?

nothing new

where is the effect? what is the effect? how much water you break per minute?

voltage? amps.. what is your cell...

everything you said we all individually already done..

I just want to let the situation be as clear as possible.. we all are here some since over 13 years now and ever since wanting to know...

people is not guilty of have not being so shine to figure for them selfs..

but be sure most here spend their money and time to try build it from their heart

i even went to the university to try learn more and be of more help and the result was a big dont work

i guess we even talk on skype few years ago =D

so i dont know what you expect from us but be sure if you give us something good we have not a sigle reason to not be forever thankfull to you

i dont expect getting all the work done and what i look for in this last years is a manner to improove our life reducing the demand for dirty energy...

i´m being as cristal as i can everytime i have something to say perhaps tomorow i dont have this chance again.. so after so much time lost i´m tired of puzzles and games to make and to play... i wrote more than 3000 posts so far is a lot of junk to digest

there is not a single reason to keep any knowledge for yourself

so please just show what you think you have, hopefully you indeed have something to share..

this is my feeling about ronnie perhaps he even found something but the fear prevented him to make the next step and find out if he found something meaningfull or something that most already did...

thats why i forgot about gaming with our co-workers...  is more usefull to only waste time to write usefull info instead of puzzles... questioning is aways good but if no one know the answer is a endless game with no winner...

hope you found something for real

we need this since a long ago

well so far nothing new bro it just seem like the old games Ronnie  used to play around... i dont mean to disrespect in any way but i´m into lot of good stuff and dont really want to lose time with puzzles... At that time Ronnie inspired some of us spend a lot of money on this 11 cell story and after all i felt like was left a side perhaps because i asked questions that he could not answer...

so if you have it working say clearly or say clearly that you dont have it... after that we can talk about infinite perhaps and hopefully get there together... i dont think playing games would help any way

if you take a look at my thread Retry 1001  there is some directions i created on how to match the impedance of the vic to the cell to force all the energy into water if i can say something... i have a good feelling about that..

nothing complicated.. i just think there must be a coil in parallel with the cell to be able to use all the vic energy.. 

if you want to take a look there it is http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,3226.0.html

I´m all ears... i tried lot of things even very pure water

the best situation i got was with forced circulation of water where the resistance of the cell drop some

unfortunately nowadays i´m not good financial situation and having to work a lot to make the month so i´m having few time to work on it ... but i´m very intrigued about what we have discussed recently...

Hello Steve and welcome Ancientmist

i was reading and had a thought about something you just said Steve..

in a car you could use a solenoid valve to deviate a small part of the water that should go to the radiator and pass it thru a copper tube, around or inside the cell, such as to keep it hot... the valve can be controlled by a temperature sensor to keep the cell temperature stable... i guess this may help maintain the operation stability

=D

something just happen to occur to me

a  capacitor in series can be the same as an inductor in parallel !

both are high pass filters

both apply reverse voltage thru load on the discharge cycle..

 i know what looks like but i dont really trusted the guy... he seems to know too much about everything so little hard to believe.. however is a good idea about the cathode insulation but it become a dbd could it be able to fracture the molecules? well the fracture cell says it can

what you think about this ?

he said the cathode is insulated in delrin? where in meyer docs we see that? whos this guy?

this is interesting patent to take a look too man! https://patents.google.com/patent/US20060180473A1/en?inventor=John+St.+Clair&page=9

i know the gauss law and etc.. but i could not understand exactly what you mean?.. when we add dielectric between the plates we decrease the attraction between the electrons and their respective positive charges on the other electrode.. this allow more electrons with a lower potential..

your talking about that bemf of the cell? when we switch the pulse off? when the cell is conductive?

the only way of doing this i think may be generating the potential from inside !

this way the h2 o2 will be a consequence!

i once tried to create a project that should work with MHD i dont know if you remember... this is a way to directly induce the power into water and get the amps out of it but i didnt completed it because it required more money and i remained with none...

the idea is to use magnets and make the water to pass thru them having electrodes to collect the electricity

i think wave energy could do this job too if we could place in there, the plates must be above one volt to discharge .

there are some ways to generate electromagnetic fields! when we change an electric field, or a magnetic field a electromagnetic field is generated for example

there are microwaves etc

i think if we wanted to use microwaves it would require some special cell to act as resonant cavity for the frequency

i believe we should use a frequency that would not heat the water much.. so the water can be tranparent to it

is there any company who design microwaves for industry that we could get some help from?

maybe ask hey how i can get a microwave thru water and capture the electric field and direct to a load?

i believe its pretty much what they do on that ´paper i posted but they dont show anything

yes in this circuit no ecc!

 was wondering about the two optocouplers... maybe to just use two freq generator

i was wondering about the full wave bridge signal we see there in my point of view it seems to me a way to mention that its unfiltered dc... a capacitor although is nice to keep the voltage stable but  consume more power than without... it charges only when the capacitor volatge is lower than the input so there is a peak in current 

(http://www.zen22142.zen.co.uk/Design/dcpsu/fwcapgraph.gif)

Good question!

it seems like other drawings of him so i believe so.. .i saw it before..  but it was recently in the last 5 years...

do you think it could be a fake? or misleading?
 
after some sleep i realized one thing... this two optocouplers are connected one to a circuit having a frequency generator having 99% duty cycle... and the second optocoupler control the duty cycle...

those full wave forms probably just tell is a unregulated dc