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is a bit confusing what the guy says but mainly what i understand from it is that you need to power up the cell and when it is disconnected it will be connected to a external coil having an incandecent bulb attached to it

it appear to me he try to take the back emf of the cell itself out generating power somehow,..

the cell is basically a resistor when water is very pure the voltage will be proportional to the amps flowing thru it

when water has a base or acid it will have free ions and their movement will cause a current to flow..

when we apply energy to a capacitor some energy is lost when charging it related to the resistive losses

there is even a situation possible to calculate when a charged capacitor is connected to another of the same size  half the energy simply disappear mathematically however is not dissipated its a matter of destroy the electromagnetic energy such as happen with wave interference.. the back emf voltage itself stops the current when the capacitors reach the same level..

with inductor the voltage is not in the same direction because as i tried to explain before in other posts the inductor works by separating a charge density in the metal this causes the charges to have a attraction to each other inside the coil itself so when we disconnect the source they simply volktage go backwards but in the in the inductor case backwards is in the same direction for the electrons

is a bit confusing what the guy says but mainly what i understand from it is that you need to power up the cell and when it is disconnected it will be connected to a external coil having an incandecent bulb attached to it

it appear to me he try to take the back emf of the cell itself out generating power somehow,..

the cell is basically a resistor when water is very pure the voltage will be proportional to the amps flowing thru it

when water has a base or acid it will have free ions and their movement will cause a current to flow..

i made a hand drawing to help visualize what happens when the cell is charged with dc and the switch is open .. it made me wonder about the usefulness of the ground

when we ground one electrode of the cell essentially,( correct me if i´m wrong please..) essentially the electrode will be at 0v potential meaning that if we charge the cell the other electrode will be at the respective voltage level we applied

in capacitors the charges works in pairs its not different for the capacitor generally if the charges are at a certain potential..! 

however i was wondering if in a capacitor having ions it has any difference

i imagine that if we ground for example the positive electrode and send a negative pulse to the other can be different than grounding the negative electrode and sending a positive pulse to the other

because when we disconnect the pulse the ions inside will keep attracted more or less than the other to the ground for example..

i imagine hydrogen positive ions will be more attracted to the ground than negative ions will be attracted by a negative voltage so  perhaps the difference is that we can attract the heaviest one and leave mostly the other free to move or vice versa.. .

the ions will only discharge if an electron pass thru the ckt and discharge both positive and negative at same time


if we hold the cell at high voltage for example in reference to ground it can ionize some molecules but the main idea is that at this electrode the negative ions should get stuck

so if we want the other ion to move we need to apply a voltage to drive it elsewhere

Its a very interesting document great find Steve! i took a first quick look and than i will read more to get the details

Meyer used some lens i believe the function is to probably to polarize and spread the radiation

In this work they indeed increased the hydrogen production but if you note how much power its using it become sort of not so interesting... however the magnetic field is a positive  news although magnets are expensive

I believe we could try multipacting for increasinly ionize the gás... 

i was making some drawings here and maybe the spark gap could be in parallel with the diode to make it work...

this allow the field to collapse and to connect the secondary to the chokes capacitance for all the game to go... its similar to a tvs but a tvs will consume more power probably...

i was thinking a way to use a tvs to detect the triger point but make it activate some switch to let the power to go straight to water...

a trigatron would be ideal but maybe some solidstate is possible

a simple oscilloscope will show you what you need to see that is what is the waveform across the cell or the current you just need to wisely wire it to dont interfere in the ckt and to keep the oscilloscope safe

the resistor was just an example for you try and compare the gas production figure

to be certain of what is going on ii think is better to wire an oscilloscope to see it well ... some meters may not show what we need just in time

try substituting the spark gap with a resistor of similar value and check if some gas get going ... probably half the energy is being dissipated on the sparkplug heating the resistor must be a power one because will also get hot...

if you add your probes on the resistor you can evaluate the current going

http://halas.rice.edu/conversions  i calculated ther frequency using the 3400 cm-1 wavenumber

this kind of mean that there are  thousands of frequencies we could use and would be the same.... maybe that why meyer talk about fine tuning basically many many many frequencies could work we just need to adjust the phase thats why its called a phase locked loop the precision in change we are looking is very narrow probably thats why he used so many dividers on the pll so a fine frequency tune is much more important than having a huge range... of course it must be within the range of the resonance..

i´m starting to think that meyer pll would not have a frequency change only would manage automaticaly the number of pulses as functon of what is happening in the cell that because is more important to have this frequency stable tuned to this specific parameter..

The main thing is to see how he was pulsing the cell. The other things come later to those who figure it out. The independent evaluation report describes what happens when you blast water with a cap. That goes along with what Meyer says in his video.

You do not pulse the chokes, you feed them. unfiltered DC. (low frequency charging the cap) Although it does not look isolated, it is when its working. Provided you don't drain it too low and are running at resonance.

The bifilar chokes, lock every thing down when the cap is fired.

when we stop a current going in a choke it will fight against this change raising the voltage in the same direction the current  was going.. but it first will have to discharge the capacitance that is charged in parallel with it
thats what is so special about it ... when we get a pulse in the line it will first charge the line and the load in our case because the pulse forming and the cell are in line connected this necessarily mean that this pulse forming is made to create a pulse that will reverse the cell with a very short spike wave but right after still maintain the polarization for a short while because of the inductance part and the dc pulses that charges the whole thing  ..

i dont know if it need to be bifilar

i even believe is possible to simply split the system in two one having a capacitor and a hv transformer and the other having dc and a simple choke to choke off the high voltage spikes created with the capacitor... of course some adjustments need to be done ..


the frequency we are looking to get is a multiple of +- 100 THZ this is 1.0*10^14

thus a sub harmonic like 10khz would work assuming this vibration in water have a very high Q factor... therefore the higher is the harmonic we hit the better ....

yes the chokes maintain the cell charged or some current  going on during pulse off and its sumed with the new pulse up coming increasing the current every pulse and is resposible to imediately recharge the cell to positive after the peak pulse...

but we must remember that a capacitor is everytime discharged before.. depends only on the inductance of secondary that is low because the core is charged and capacitance of the chokes that are also low

i have updated that post a little hardcrome explaining better that part

it gets better

i was thinking also about another thing now, if we get salt water or water with free H+ atoms like having potassium or sodium hydroxide in it.. we could benefit of it because it would easily allow the formation of a hydrogen molecule missing one electron readily  i mean a hydrogen molecule sharing one single electron +H2 as soon as the water molecule is break apart this could help fighting against recombination... there may be a optimal concentration for the size of the cell..

here is the ckt i described
(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3221.0;attach=15309)

here is the waveform
the charging at every pulse and the reverse pulse all there.. during pulse off time the coil take over maintaining the current until next pulse come..and when gate is cutting it vanish


(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3221.0;attach=15311)

conclusion the chokes plus the secondary form a pulse forming network system that charges thru and discharges all the energy on the water later, the diode is key to let the secondary become part of it also on the discharge time..

the charging will align the molecules and polarize them electronically, the discharging will induce the resonance in the molecule

the circuit is tuned to a certain water resonant frequency . the pulses are interrupted or gated when the system reach resonance of the molecule to allow the molecule to rearrange ..

when a gas go out with positive polarity and the cell remain negative it will become an electron source reversely it become a sync it can be whatever depending on how the system of discharge is designed... 

is impressive how clear i can look at it now! i kind of im sure if i could take some time over it we could get it to work ... meyer told the true for us but we missed some knowledge and patience to look at it with kiss method...

i believe the diode is one of the main secrets ever in this technology and the best way i could try to use it is somehow if you know how many transistors i burned in the past and how i solved the problem of burning them you know what diode i talk about

well what i can tell is that the power must go to the water and not get dissipated on the primary side never now i can clearly see that this is one of  what i was doing very wrong .. unfortunately lack money is what lead me to this situation... because i could not let more transistors burn.. hahaa well lets direct the power elsewhere in the circuit

i believe duty cycle can and should be increase to make it easier to get the system going

draw this ckt

isolated battery
primary connected to positive  of  it and to a mosfet drain... source connected to battery negative
secondary connected also to the positive dc that is going to the primary ,  after the diode the choke is connected .. having a capacitor in parallel if needed (HV one)  than connected to the cell anode
the choke allow the cell  to charge while the choke capacitance is charged
at the cell cathode the other choke is connected and it goes to the drain of the mosfet too!

this make the primary sum up with secondary during discharge and it also create a shorter wave thru the line because it being a step up the primary will have lower inductance thus higher speed in discharge its inductive power...

the coil resistance or and a series variable resistor control the current charge in water and it can have a diode in parallel with it to protect from the power pulse

consider how kelly slater surf pool work

if everything is isolated from ground and the output gas is positive than there is going to be a negative potential on the system (free electrons that can be used with a real ground)

so the ecc circuit now can do its work


 

well how can we arrange all this ?

meyer left his traces

1 there is a dc voltage or pulses applied to get the molecules aligned 

2 there is a pulse reversal to induce the resonance on the water molecule

3 when the pulses hits again at a frequency where it make the water resonance increase the energy level the molecule falls  apart

4 when this happens a sort of  low resistance state could happen so pulse is turned of for a bit (gate)

so the resonance is a frequency that is one multiple of one of the vibrational frequencies of water a specific number in theory and just an approximation in real life

the resonant circuit must be arranged to set up and maintain this tuned condition

hope this thoughts can help anyway

 in my mere opinion there are some hiden secrets on meyer system

one is the diode type

another is how  the capacitance of the coils add up with the secondary colapse reversal thru the diode at a certain voltage

meyer impedance circuit show this capacitors in parallel with the coils this mean that when the sistem colapse the pulse sent to the water is the sum of this high voltage capacitors plus the secondary high voltage discharge

this voltage at this capacitances need to be high because when it get to the water it will be reduced too

is important that the resonant frequency of the coils are smaller than the frequency we want to use or just the same as  this will allow the most of power to go to water ... however this frequency must be tuned to the water frequency and this is a subharmonic of a very high frequency,...  the discharge time of the  pulse must be also a sub lengh of the wavelengh

when meyer talk about inducing resonance in the molecule for me it kind of mean that the molecule

1 will have a change in the electron configuration for a moment increasing the energy level H2O

and

2 the atoms at higher energy level will rearrange to a stable form like H2 and O2

notice that therefore we need to form actualy 2H2 and 1O2 molecules

if we consider the area of the plate and the size of water molecules is possible to estimate the number of molecules that will be in direct  contact with it and thus estimate the required pulse configuration.

whenever we raise the voltage over onevolt or so current start flowing unless its very pure water...  this mean that the ionized molecules in the double layer pass thru the layer and get discharged.. meyer clearly stated we dont want that

the only way to make it is to use a material that is not capable of conducting current or if we can saturate the current  i believe meyer did both ways

to actually release the hydrogen from oxygen we need anyway a holdon voltage to not allow for recombination...

when the water molecules electronic configuration get momentarily disrupted i believe there will be a kind of short like effect but here current will not flow to separate the atoms because atoms here are neutral and this is what meyer talk about using voltage potential without consuming energy

imagine for example a water molecule breaks near the positive electrode and that  the hydrogen atoms wont be ionized  will they go toward the negative electrode ?
a neutral molecule can also be polarized
that said is clear that any neutral molecule is going to be attracted to the nearest electrode by electronic polarization!
 
so both electrodes will have free hydrogen atoms and oxygen atoms near it when we get it to resonance

if there is a direct current going there is going to be more oxygen near the positive and more hydrogen near the negative but again the same as before explained 

i think you seem to be  talking about what seem to be light reflecting on the table. Isn't it just a reflex?

I don't see this disc, where it is exactly Steve?

  nice one

The difference is that with iron core you will get a smaller current consumption because the inductance will be smaller without the core but it works as well because what matters is the flux changing. The air core need a thicker wire to get comparable efficiency




Also a core will therefore reduce the size for a required transformer since it allow a smaller wire thickness and length


A coil when used as a choke can serve to impede the source from facing a short circuit at the load think of that.