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absolute power corrupts absolutelly

if water does partecipate to the ligthening or not we can try to see if we look at whats around... and i hope i can help you see that water is much harder to break than air so why in hell would water be responsible for the electrons in the discharge?

How ice is formed?

are drops charged?

i do believe that water partetipate creating the charge since the vapor contaning unequal ions does that... but when it discharge we cannot tell if hydrogen was generated in the cloud... i never found any science telling it...

actually the uper layer of atmosphere receives uv at great intensity and it also may help the process;;; but the sun is the source..

if this hydrogen is being generated in the clouds is this hydrogen geting out to space?

i have a question... do you think a single lightning strike could break water?

lets think again...

did you ever tried pulsed electrolysis?

the products comes from the amps times the time aplied...

what i mean is that for electrolysis to happen it needs a certain time too..

i too believe the clouds generate a great deal of power raising the imbalances of charges up in the sky by action of the sun...

have you ever seeing a bolt between two clouds? thats when one is positive and the other negative...

i believe the discharge initiate because ionization of the air... when some charged vapour raise up in the air by sun action and reach a certain electric field that makes the all cloud become ionized... just like my cell amplify the ionization reaching of the vic... thereto the electric fields of the clouds and ground or other opositely charged or neutral clouds become significant to create sufficient deflection of the ions.... electrons and whatever in the way..


than simply BANG

Steve for me reference in HHO comunity he every day donates to all of us without we even remember of it, and he dont restric himself to this... the work he does maintaining this space is just amazing...he helped me more times but he keep it secret!

as i said when i tried fund raising in energetic forum yet some people from this forum ionizatiox donated there, but edd i dont know if you remember but you use to use that h2opower username... sorry if i´m confusing and werent you... but i remember someone telling everyone else to not donate anything to me since i was not going to get anywhere and the resonant tank informations i was releasing were useless and not what meyer did...

i could take you as my enemy also... but man i know it was just some maybe gelosie at that time.. you were just starting at this like me and others, we were very energetic and disproportional... it were 2006, 2007... i dont really care althout at the time i got little mad about it hehe.. dont worry i dont keep any bad feelings!

lets just keep the thing technological  and we will get really far.. there are many important little stuf we need to make... the 5 collum team should at least inpire us to try to unite...

our common enemy is knowledge price, the covalent bound ... the enemy of my enemy should be my friend so we can help each other haha like war most of times our worst enemy can be ourselves or our best friend...

a friend is someone who wants you too improove, not that one that just tell you good luck... i agree in part

Ed i thank you to push this movement to we help each other..

Brothers i thank you so much its being a year that want to get this... but as it costs 1150$ with the deliver to get it here it was really hard... if somebody of you could buy it and than send it as a gift from your country maybe the costume here let it pass without the importing taxes...but i guess your country may also have some sort of importing taxes... just trying to get around from 400 dollars...


i created today a 10kv i guess 8 amp diode that never get burn as long as the current in the circuit is limited.. .

25 tvs diodes in series...

it costed 10 dollars, but i used some used tvs i had tried before so the reverse leakage can be little higher than should if all were new,,, each suports 400v reverse leakage 1amp

is couterpart to you helping me i will release an updated schematic of my pll working circuit... and will opensource the data i generated about my research on barium titanate and how to make it... though this research stoped before testing fase but i got the material technology to make it and could release to those helping willing to know it... this infomation is priceless... is knowledge developed at the university with also many help´..

thank you all for everything i need, for what is necessary steve is coorect lets put our focus on work...

i´m willing to construct one, i tried to make a voltage divider once but it were a mess and the waveform wasnt very good.. today i know little more about constructing maybe i could have luck... i would waste 3 hours maybe..


and edd yes i seem to really have only one good friend unfortunately far away in italy it was the only one who gave a like at the facebook link this in 900 friends.. blame the economy the television but they dont know what they are doing...poor them...  i perceived this already in 2008/9 when i could get no fund for the project and started looking at everybody as a selfish piece of shitt, for me the rich people just stinked... up to i started to just dont care about them, if they were to be my inspiration today we would be damned. fortunately i got around and made it all by myself,.. i even made many rich friends in the way and saw how poor their lifes and objectives can be and sometimes how cool some others  can be without even trying... as i told you i had much luky realy much more than many... but not that luck to also have infinite money or energy or time or space simultaneously. thats why i accept whatever help... for me is really a bad feeling everytime i burn something... haha

just listening to bobs songs to get away of that feeling..

Edd i think anyone that work in this technology today has a spirit of help the next although a commom problem today to all is this financial crisis... many of us are already married and they have their life to carry on normaly one would not spend more than 50$ at a time...

i tried fundraising before as i told you and got even a little mad when i saw nobody of my real life friend helped... i understand their side however... the only time when this fundraising worked was at the energetic forum right at the start some few people, i have here their names yet... from this forum also helped...

but man i really would be loosing my energy and time if i was to get mad if the crew cannot help today...

when i started this technology i was playing in the subway in milan and use to few hours playing and singing inside the train and at the end of the month i spend it all on 555 timers, transistors, copper, electrodes... well in the first months i remember to have gone with 20000euro. i always got some luky with the money for the technology... many of the high top equipment i get like labview 8000$ was totally free.. my cell was made at the university machines so i only spent like 1000$ or little more only of materials for just it..

i worked with platinum, paladium, barium titanate... i build a lathe milling maschine... i did manythings and aways someone somehow help...   now i get my tools to build things... that summing with the ability i learned to build whatever i want makes me really happy.

if we sum at least 9 years expending +_ 10000 euros each.. than i expended more than would cost to buy a house here... luckly i have no great ambition... but i feel that with my way of thinking and capabilities developed i can do more than just make it work...

thats why i dont really care about having spend all... but is understandable that anyone living and paying their bills dont want or some times cannot take some money out without a strong reason...

as a retribution to who wants to donate me a nice help for buying the probe, or that could lend me a probe like that or bring me one... i would offer 1 month in my beach house here in brazil for how many friends you want to bring or family how about it?

i could just say help me and could be enough that when it work you will be welcome to come and see

i have very good contacts here in brazil, i worked with cinema and music, television here,  than  if we can prove this working i believe they can help somehow to get this technology to the world it would be no problem for me.

thank you all in advance

yes ´m lazy...

you welcome...

and thaNK FOR THAT IDEA that you cant make it work but its correct so if everyone know it someone will use it for `free`` and will be forever thankfull to you... ... you just make me laught too much... i cant wait to meet you one day;; you got to be a nice guy...

i´m the kind of man so lazy that dont really should waste my time or the good energy i get with this unfruitfull discussion.

i agree with you in many aspects for example

i didnt said thunderstorm  wont break water.. i said they are not breaking it thru the switch off of the covalent bounding...

i didnt said your undertanding of plants are incorrect i just said is has little to do with the electrical polarization process...

"Molecules can be separated by taking the electrons away from them." ~ excite the electrons and take them away is the core science.

the above is nothing more than an obvious statement that tells that if you take the brick off from a wall the wall will fall...

words are meaningless without trust... if you dont trust what i say why should you trust in my tables... now why should i show you any?

can the water molecule be broken without any exchange of electrons?

i would not like to put fire on the wood but actually meyer waveform is meaningless is simply a doubled frequency increasing in potential... there is 1 million manners of replicating this exact waveform and you still not apply the correct fields on water to make the molecule split apart...

when you show me your waveform you give me nothing... summing with your drawing where coil start and polarity confuse whoever try to look at it... Wasn't you that complained about my pencil made drawings? where is your dot convention? do you understand how you draw it?

its really sad to see so much confusion...

massive do you agree that for every atom species you want to ionize in that way you need to put one electron or take it out of water?

 

1 watt * 1 second is 1 joule... 1W/s=1J

1 watt * one hour is 3,6kj =1W/h=3600J

497kj /mol mean you need:

138 W/h per mol...

given 26,8 amps is a mol of electrons

you have to give each electron 5,15v of potential... if we summing all this at once gives 500kv

you end up with 1 mol of oxygen diatomic molecules missing one electron

or half mol of atomic oxygen plus half mol of missing 1 electron oxygen atoms...

assuming it is correct

Hey TGS

how do you get the molecules striped off electrons without consuming the required energy for ionization?

How could you do it  without amps flow or preventing electron flow?

there is a quantum leap between the ionization you describe and covalent switch off stan describes...


i will explain it to you... as for it work the same on particle accelerators

when you get a gas you can ionize it... (my teacher words) You can indeed take all the electrons out of oxygen if you want but it takes energy for it..


in an electrical particle accelerator the end energy of the particle depends not only on the accelerating voltage and mass of the particle but also on the charge...

so what they do is to strip the electrons of the oxygen for example for raising its net charge and end up with a more energetic particle at the end of the accelerating distance..

how they do that? in one embodiment they charge the oxygen negatively adding 2 electrons (fro, a hot filament connected to negative million volts capacitor plate ) and the oxygen is liberated being accelerated from the target point... as it gets accelerated it gains energy... now this oxygen strikes a positive high voltage screen (connected to a positive plate a capacitor) that will take the electrons out of it and make it to be accelerated now in the direction of the target.. as it has now 4 to 6 electron missing the energy it achieve is very high...

what you see is that we gave kinetic  energy and used it to strip the electrons... no overunity...

if you were to do this with high voltage for every electron you ionize you get power consume... if you want 1 mol of oxygen ionized...16grams missing just one electron you need to apply high voltage needed times 26.8 amps!

if you get an over voltage ( a voltage too high for the ionization) you generate more heat like electrolysis over voltage...inefficiency....

so really whats you point?

i believe meyer indeed used ionization.. but for me this was part of the rocket science.. actually its also possible for me that he indeed ionized just few atoms per cycle to achieve thermal explosive energy ( atomic reaction ) from just them.. not all...


nature is not preventing the water molecule from forming...

nor nature is in anyway trying to switch off the covalent bound... we are seeking to do un-natural things... no nature can explain it...

nature only explain the working of particle accelerator since your thunderstorm example is similar.. it explain even ozone and acid rain..

but i'm sorry to disappoint you, with all you posted all it seems is that you again try show everyone how "special" you are and how "stupid" other stanleymeyer readers are... 

If your summarization try to close a point that you unfortunately did not prof, until you don't see its not even valid for you, you won't do anything new...

i hope all that i said help you somehow...

good luck

I had a flame over water similar but not same as kanzius in 2007 2008... the yellow part seems to be sodium burning.. also for the smell... with a prototype i made... you can see how the prototype was like in the youtube channel... but not the test... it were a 10cm yellow open flame with bad smell... it was a tube filled with water and sodium hydroxide.. with few drops of alcohol... although the same amount of alcohol would not sustain a flame for more than 30s... the thing could run for 15min 30min there was up to 20 amps flowing... 12v car battery...

his patents has a very interesting chronological development curve... where he goes from the electrical polarization process to the hydrogen fracturing..

i have no idea... anyone local could try a contact?

i tried up to 99,995% pulse... what i got is frequency doubling... and many other bizarre effects as one might expect..

that is not the point however...

the point really is... are you satisfied with your waveform?

what about the diode? where is your explanation? is it satisfactory? do you think your coils are connected right? did you tried all 64 combinations? would you? why?

for example... are you really sure your diode is opening the circuit as meyer say in new zealand?

i'm sure you can check it... with your equipment.. i can do with mine!

man we are not in competition

i'm just inviting you to take a further look into real science what meyer meant with what he said and show....not just what he said and showed... he was indeed very generous and left over some highly encrypted knowledge that he clearly stated would be understood by those with knowledge of the art.

i went to university of physics for 4 years.. to get closer... not only stay reading and re-reading wiki

i went and took a look at all patents that meyer cited, the documents he cited, the patents that cited him... and so on..

i have nothing else to show that you cannot see here in the forum.. but i won't digest it for anyone like you do... i'm not selling anything...specially not my soul...  i just here for help where i can, and search for help and feedback when i think someone can understand me and maybe work with me. I believe in this community work, this space we all must thanks to Steve has being a ring for many battles but in the end brothers and sisters must shake the hands and politely behave.

My wave form is a sine wave since i can only see one side of the cell .. ever increasing until  gate... or stable if not gating..

up to 50KV and beyond... with just few bubbles that some times appears.. this with the stan circuit .. one vic split into two sections..

lower primary turns... only 50 to 100 turns...

quote from edd talking behind my back on this post somewhere non related to this discussion...

What case? Me calling you out in what you told the group was a lie or a gross assumption that is totally unfounded by facts? I quote, "for the record i got up to 50kv on the exciters and more than 3kv across each cell.. by the way reaching high voltages is not a problem.." This is what you wrote and it is not truthful and you don't care of the damage you are doing to the technology by saying things like this just to save face.

I just pointed out there is no way you got the voltages you are claiming here as you simply don't have the proper equipment to be able to tell what voltages you are getting to your exciter array. You say, "by the way reaching high voltages is not a problem," and that too is not the truth as if it was everyone would be getting high voltages to their exciter arrays.

This was said by you to belittle my work and you do so for your own personal reason of which to me seem like you are doing so just to save face. I have to call people like you out as they have no idea of the damages that they are doing to the movement. Basically you are saying high voltage isn't the answer which goes against what Meyer himself told everyone in his many lecture videos and it also goes against what my experiments have been telling me thought my observations of said technology.

I am sorry I have to do this but it is time for this type of behavior to be put in check as it is hurting the movement. If you build what I have just shown you you will get high voltages to your exciter array, but in order to be able to see what is taking place you must get a differential probe capable of handling the voltages we are dealing with. There is no going around this as you also stated for you simply will not be able to see what 's taking place at the exciter array without the proper equipment to be able to do so, thus making what you have told all of us here and to those that visit this site an untrue statement. Like I said I am sorry for this but it's time for this Tom Foolery to stop as people deserve to be told the truth.
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Ok Edd if with all your vic together you won't get high voltage. i'm sorry for you... its not my problem.. its your fault, not mine...

i don't come here to say thing on your post only... if you look i reached this voltages many times in the past and not only me... and yes i can measure it ..accurately.. 

If you improve your hearing or reading you would understand how i do it. what i use for that... i don't need any fancy device to see what is going on, although i didn't finished the graduation yet i'm a damn scientist and i know now what i'm doing... more everyday..

and by the way the high voltage probe i get is very good precision... so as my dmm so please forget about me and my equipment and keep going... your not reaching.. i'm not in your way... not holding you down...  nor anyone.. nor i want any  problematic followers ...

if you know what you are doing even coil connected to a multimeter is good way to see the fields present...

you have no clue about what is the blocking diode... or how it operates... you just keep the same arguments and raise up the voice...

you are a classic moron still accusing me of not following meyer...since 2007(hurting the movement) of course my i'm using science! 

sorry to be hard but you don't seem to get it when i put in a good way...

the main problem is that i think you are so so steamy about me having so much higher voltage than you to the cell and yet not being satisfied i come to you and say i have a theory i'm working on..

so stop crying like a baby and create your theory and go put you theory in action and stop wasting our times with your words...

I rest my case...

Ok ... sorry for any bad comments regarding you.. although i don't have any responsibility on your conduct and others.. and probably "that" caused this sort of comments.. i suggest pass the eraser and start over...

I try to remember everyday that until i prove the theory i'm working on, its useless, it won't help anyone else if i didn't proved any part of it before talking about... i fell for you is not the same.. you talk abut this truth without perceiving that its not the true is your point of view... an infinitesimal point. like mine.. like any other that don't show a working system. just words... that being said... i suggest to you and this will be good to you open your eyes on your behavior it will certainly make you open the doors of your perception. Imagine your theory is wrong! every day! if you can't find anything wrong test it.. if it didn't work it was wrong somewhere do you agree? If you can't explain to your self what is wrong you can't tell others with sure that one or other thing is missing because this is the principle of unobtainium...  so again assuming to ourselves we are not the truth keepers is good! thats why scientists can't believe god because if they do they wait god to give them the hard work.. and it will never do.. although god can keep you living your life if you want to see it that way...





I totally disagree that i can't do anything good because i don't have one equipment or the other, i believe i know what i'm doing and from what i can see i can set up a multimeter on the cell and it will have the same effect as your equipment, but i just can't see the wave form across the cell, only numbers...(well i got a very good one and seems good enough) but as i know what i'm doing seeing at the oscilloscope the waveforms of other parts is enough to understand whats going on. sure i would like to get one...

i don't think is a good idea to make 100's of people buying one... because the hho community is very big and many does not even know what is doing yet what is the meaning of seeing what is not yet understood.

another way would be to simply get the oscilloscope feed with an isolation transformer... however the chassi of the oscilloscope will provide some grounding effect... so yet resistors could be useful..

when i see something i can't get, i just think a way to get around and get what i really need.

i'm curious about what you have to say about the switching diode...

you can create a van  de graph with cocacola can in you tube you find something ...

is not very hard..

i never tried.. i once tried to make the kelvin thunderstorm but got no results either... i didn't add salt to water, thought...

i do not really know,  i can tell for me... if i discovered something, i would invite you to come over here in brazil to see, but would not post here on open, not initially... to totally impede this sort of behavior., (someone come and say oh i said this and that) bla la la .. i guess this makes clear that we are here to work and share thought and results not to show how good we are..  we are here to be together...

i hope all you will get together when whichever of us make it work..

thats what matter for me..

in the end this thread was created to appreciate your work..

i would be very proud if someone were taking about me somewhere... hope talking good =D

wish you good luck.. for the record i got up to 50kv on the exciters and more than 3kv across each cell.. by the way reaching high voltages is not a problem..