ALTERNATOR
Started by unknown · · 162 posts · last reply 8 June 2022
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#1 · date not recorded
Hello guys i have just put my hands on an alternator witch i got from a mechanic friend here...
I was measuring the inductance and resistance with my lrc meter and got the following results...
the stator had 23,34mh 4,2 ohms
the armature windings had 62uh 0,2ohm 1-2 (left and middle) 2-3 (middle and right wire)
But the left and right were 61,2uh and 0,0 ohms
I would have a question... any of you have ever tried using the alternator without all the diodes???
Have you tried to pulse the stator with high frequency?
Regards
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#2 · date not recorded
I also got a motor out of my cloths washing machine... It seemed to be broken but were only one wire inside the motor that was broken, i think that i fixed it up.. this one runs on 110v and i believe is about 300 watts....
I will use this to turn the alternator for some tests...
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I made some calculations and found that 62uh with a 15uf capacitors would give +-5000 hz resonance.... -
#3 ·
I guess meyer used the alternator as a high current low voltage generator, he probably modified the alternator to generate around maybe 10000 amps at around 0,1volts substituting the coils for copper bars...
I say this because today i went to the library where the only copy of the 60's tomlin's book is located here in Br. And i just found that the pump is one of the most important things on the circuit, cause it together with magnetic or electric fields are able to cause physical separation of the h+ and 0h- ions. The electron extraction circuit is nothing more than a way to short this "battery" and than you would need only the huge low tension charge to simply convert the h+ ions into h2...
I already know a way to do this generating the h2 separately from the o2 but i'm trying yet to figure out how meyer did the both gases together as it is way harder... I'm guessing that he used electric fields instead of magnetic but i'm not yet sure how..
Guys the solution was over there for more than 60 years in a book... Do you believe?
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#4 · date not recorded
10,000 amps may be an overkill. A 100 amps or less is more likely. Lets face it, the cell is amp driven, more so for a parallel cell. I think Mayer kept stressing high voltage to throw people off the patent.
The only case I know of where voltage does work is in a neon or fluorescent tube. May be if you pass steam through a flourescent tube the voltage might crack it. That idea was floating around a few years back. It died a quiet death.
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#5 · date not recorded
I guess meyer used the alternator as a high current low voltage generator, he probably modified the alternator to generate around maybe 10000 amps at around 0,1volts substituting the coils for copper bars...
I say this because today i went to the library where the only copy of the 60's tomlin's book is located here in Br. And i just found that the pump is one of the most important things on the circuit, cause it together with magnetic or electric fields are able to cause physical separation of the h+ and 0h- ions. The electron extraction circuit is nothing more than a way to short this "battery" and than you would need only the huge low tension charge to simply convert the h+ ions into h2...
I already know a way to do this generating the h2 separately from the o2 but i'm trying yet to figure out how meyer did the both gases together as it is way harder... I'm guessing that he used electric fields instead of magnetic but i'm not yet sure how..
Guys the solution was over there for more than 60 years in a book... Do you believe?
A 600 watt alternator could do 300 amps on 2 volts....
Not bad...
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#6 · date not recorded
But how would you make a cell that pulls 300 or 1000 amps?
Sebos?
The thing is that Garret and Horvarth both talk about pulses of around 300 amps..... -
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Is because water will behave as a battery, it will be ionized (plasma like) and the charges will be maintained apart by the force from the pump witch makes the water to cross the magnetic field. The wood membrane will let only the ions to pass due to the very low voltage developed because of the flow of the water in relation to the magnetic field, than all this electricity charge the resonant capacitor and when it discharges you discharge also the ions, extracting electrons from the oh- ions and shorting them on h+ ions...
Actually it will be like charging a capacitor but instead of building up voltage you will only generate H2 you will only have a voltage when most of this ions are discharged as h2.
Will not be a too simple task
I'm trying to figure out the needed calculation for the forces acting on the ions ...
I'm trying to figure out the calculation V= Q/e^r witch stan show on the book, i think this is a way to find out what the hell capacitance really is...
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#8 ·
I also got a motor out of my cloths washing machine... It seemed to be broken but were only one wire inside the motor that was broken, i think that i fixed it up.. this one runs on 110v and i believe is about 300 watts....
I will use this to turn the alternator for some tests...
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I made some calculations and found that 62uh with a 15uf capacitors would give +-5000 hz resonance....
Thats a pretty high capacitance as far as WFC is concerned and to get that capacitance with a tube set with 1/2" and 3/4" tubes, the length would have to be 1368 meters or 4488 feet. -
#9 ·
Hello Tony i'm not planing to use the tube but manny manny plates in parallel divided in two cells each one with a membrane... this cells are triggered by high power igbts to short the ions electricity into the capacitor for further usage. the electricity will be generated by using a pump to circulate the water into magnetic fields this will assure that the ions get the right side of the membrane than when there is enough voltage just shot it into the capacitor generating h2 and o2 as result and using the remained electricity to help the next cycle... -
#10 ·
Well I think the frequency and the mixing of the frequencies is the most important . If Hydrogen ever picks up again it will be all about the research .
Brute force is just a waste of time and money , it cannot even save gas . There should only be mention of Hydrogen research efforts , high amps from w/e stupid alternator is just a waste of time and doesnt save gas , look @ Bob Potchek , he bankrupted himself because hygrogen dont work when high amps dc or bumpy dc is used , it dont save any gas money to be worth it .
People are gonna have to innovate and get smarter with Hydrogen , thats why I made the things I made , so people could get past hurdles that doesnt allow them to play around , cuz sometimes we have ideas but dont have the tools to test em out and just talk about them for years instead . Hope it works out so progress can be advanced .
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What he said is real real real , theres a bunch of turtling video gamers out there wasting their unemployment on inefficient useless belongings that only brg them closer to absolute hopelessness and misery when they could be having fun with science , some of them are already lost , my advice is that they go for a walk to dc cuz its reaching that point .
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http://www.youtube.com/user/george4title#p/a/u/0/ytkZDC-8n6g -
#11 · date not recorded
We are the peace!
I just really solved the problem behind meyer principle. In the end is the same principle on all the devices related. Be open minded to understand what is being said.
I understood why meyer used 9 transformers and 9 pairs of tubes and how he used them...
I understood also how to use the electron extraction circuit and why it is the base of the working principle.
For you to understand well keep in mind the following translation for Meyer's words.
Electron extraction circuit = short circuit = discharge electrons from oh- ions into h+ ions, allowing the ions to be discharged generating than h2 and o2 molecules. This discharge must be made wisely to not loose the energy applied on the polarization process. It thus must be discharged into a capacitor
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#12 ·
Keeping the series of this mind blowing information:
The electrical polarization process = Charge up the water dielectric to create coulomb force witch will make each ion to go toward it's attracting electrode.
Steve do you remember what you called back emf of water after a pulse?
Is the ions electricity!!!!!!!
So you need to discharge the electrodes with reversed polarity into a capacitor!
Meyer was doing exactly what i was going to do with the theory that i got. But he instead of using permanent magnets and a pump to separate the charge, he used the vic coils.. Meyer also used the cells in series for the discharge so he could use rectifiers 10 times less rated in amperage than i would need with my design. However because of this the gas will need to be generated together witch is the price to pay...
I'm really exited, i feel like beavis and butthead when beavis eat a lot of sugar and coffee. hahahaha
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Ok Sebos ...
Just dont ask us to send you another 100$ for cigarettes Sebos ...
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#14 ·
HAHAHAHAHAHA
100$ would be very nice =) Actually if you could send me a nice igbt module maybe 300 amps 1200 volts would be nice too =)
I already have a toroidal vic and i just need to get the 18 tubes and solder it...
I will make a drawing for you: -
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i will try to do the test tomorrow. i will work all the night to put the circuit to work and so i will check if it will work.. I just don't have oscilloscope so is bit difficult but i will do it.
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#16 ·
But I tought you had a 15000 euro lab Sebos , I think you forgot the scope , not very smart , I reckon these are 300$ for a good tek model american built .
Quote from Sebos
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?topic=1216.0
You can believe whatever you want thats your choice. However i'm asking for donation and that is not a scam i just need money to finish my research i lost my job and just can't stop now as you see i'm too close. I released an information that you and all the others even working for years with this technology always had under your nose and never checked it or never could understand it. However how much did you spent on your research? I already spent in the last almost 4 years about 15.000 euros on material not counting house rent food and bills because i passed almost all my time in this years working oSo do you really think is insulting? I think that is just a possibility to have a kind of help to make me finish before i normally could with only my situation of money now. So good that you remembered me this. If any of you are interested in help in any way you can do a donation or buy from me pll units constructed by me. Or transformer, resonant inductors ... just to help my project. I know all of you have spent a lot of money and you know as i that 90% of that was completely useless, stainless steel wire and the like 300$... tomorrow i'm going to spent 200 euro only for an inductor and some wire to further tests... You see, why money is needed? do you understand now?n this. -
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Ok now just look and cryattachment_5978 attachment_5980 Grafic wave forms .png Tube in series .png
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#18 ·
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Sebos is so smart that he mathematically analyzed the circuit , it works , it has been confirmed . Ion goes there , electron goes there , left to right , right to left , OMG I am a genius , it will work , I am sure of it . This is pure scientific genius . Cant you see that this works , it should be obvious that it does , it should be obvious to anybody .
let me save this pic and put it in my usb key , then insert my key in my faraday cage to protect it from EMP destruction .
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#19 ·
Did you understood the principle at least?
The ions become electricity. Generated because of the force (voltage does perform work)!!! is like having two transformers with diodes in opposite directions, driving a set of 9 tubes in series (isolated ground)
I'm sure that anyone have never tried this!!! =)
Because there is no meaning, if you don't understand the ions, you will never consider this way.
There is a conventional current flowing witch creates the voltge field and at the same time in counter direction there is another current witch is the ions (they act like a back emf) If you create a path where they can discharge isolated from the first circuit you can turn of the back emf of the ions allowing huge current to flow. Now i understand also why meyer coated the outside of his tubes and inside of inner tubes...
(discharge the ions mean generate h2 and o2 molecules)
Turn of the covalent bounding ...
I'm really sure that this will work. -
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I am also very sure that nobody ever tried this...
Are you gonna try this Fabio?
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#21 · date not recorded
yes man
i'm just figuring out how to make the cell with less money possible
Every time i think i get more absolutely sure...
I'm going to use only the alternator and a small motor to drive it...
When resonance start the alternator will rise its speed because i'll discharge the ions on one of the phase windings.
I just also need to figure out exactly how to connect the alternator exactly
i know that the alternator have the phases different by 120° i guess thus i need to choose the right winding for doing the job.. . still not sure hwo to do this... -
#22 · date not recorded
yes man
i'm just figuring out how to make the cell with less money possible
Every time i think i get more absolutely sure...
I'm going to use only the alternator and a small motor to drive it...
When resonance start the alternator will rise its speed because i'll discharge the ions on one of the phase windings.
I just also need to figure out exactly how to connect the alternator exactly
i know that the alternator have the phases different by 120° i guess thus i need to choose the right winding for doing the job.. . still not sure hwo to do this...
Maybe the following helps to make up yr mind.
I seen the ion spike on my scope. I even made a picture of it.
As soon as you use that charge coming of the tubes for example lighting a bulb, you extract
the power from the water, which you just filled.
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Steve
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#23 · date not recorded
Sebb,
I think you should try it with 2 sets of tubes first to prove the concept. -
#24 · date not recorded
yes man
i'm just figuring out how to make the cell with less money possible
Every time i think i get more absolutely sure...
I'm going to use only the alternator and a small motor to drive it...
When resonance start the alternator will rise its speed because i'll discharge the ions on one of the phase windings.
I just also need to figure out exactly how to connect the alternator exactly
i know that the alternator have the phases different by 120° i guess thus i need to choose the right winding for doing the job.. . still not sure hwo to do this...
Maybe the following helps to make up yr mind.
I seen the ion spike on my scope. I even made a picture of it.
As soon as you use that charge coming of the tubes for example lighting a bulb, you extract
the power from the water, which you just filled.
....
Steve
Yes steve i remembered that picture when i found this...
I worked all night on the alternator to separate its windings and i've just finished to assembly it. First of all i will make it become a motor... Than i will use the other 2 coils for develop the coulomb force on the water.. _Than when it will be working i will add a motor to mechanically turn the alternator and than i will use that winding to discharge the feedback of ions!!! this will accelerate the alternator without consuming force from the motor. I believe it can get self running... not sure... -
#25 · date not recorded
Occurred me that the discharge of the ions must occur in the 240° phase thus i will need something that make me create a PLL divided in 3 phase feed back loop to this frequency, and match the alternator speed for reach the resonant frequency. Than the power input will be controlled by the field coil and consequently also another adjust on the driver motor sepeed to reach the resonance and tune it...
Probably thats why he used the extra inductor...
Don't know yet