Frequency,s for pulsed electrolysis known by me, till sofar
Started by unknown · · 51 posts · last reply 15 September 2019
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Dear all,
Many of you have researched pulsed electrolysis and many made PWM,s or Dave lawton 555 timer schematics.
Here is the knowledge i have when you talk about which frequency to use.
Based on known patents and writings on forums etc etc etc.
Brown,s gas or whatever you wanna call it, is made with a pulsed system which should not exceed 200hz.
Horvarth systems do not exceed 166hz
The reason is that when you go higher in frequency, the induced current in the cell will adapt an AC current characteristic, which will retard electrolysis.
Now many want to know which frequency Meyer used and even Dingle.
Well.....if you choose a frequency higher then 200hz you get this phenomenon of ac current character.
Meyer used that characteristic to setup a resonance system.
So, the frequency for a meyer techno system is based on L and C
I have seen and observed that AC current.
Well, i hope you can do your advantage with this
Steve
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I think the frequency parameter is related to the spacing between the plates. The Pat5 document from the group's Files Section details a system running at 1.1 MHz, with a gap of one tenth mm between the plates, using a bifilar coil, with the second winding connected only to the cell. I also read another report which claimed this frequency was overly efficient. The 555 itself will produce issues at its high end, which is two or three hundred kHz. -
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I will update this thread before the day here in the Usa is over. Please do not Criticize me for the documentation I am about to share with you all.
In just a few Hours from now, you will understand in detail how to harness a wealth of energy, and you will gain tremendous amounts of knowledge about the secrets that have been hidden for so long now. All though it has been right in front of your face the entire time, No light has been shed upon it. The curtains is about to open here in this thread. Thank you stevie for your very well put post! And as you will gain understanding, you will see then why the frequency is so important.
I am very sorry to hijack your thread, but I would rather get this out, and do this here, than create another thread of my own. Please get ready to print what I am about to post off, as it is very valuable, and it is really going to piss allot of people off. -
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I am not perfect. I am not withholding anything at all. I say this because There me be errors in my work, meaning for example. Most use P Channel fets for Step downs, I do not. My Goal here is to give you an ideal, not try and mislead or hide anything at all. I would also like to add, I am very limited on time. With that being said, I will not be able to stick around and answer many questions. For those that want feel butt hurt because you do not feel this is what stan was doing - thats totally ok and I understand. I want be around to argue with you. I do what I can and I share what I can. Perhaps someone out there may make the best of this stuff. I am sorry if my documents offend anyone, that is truly not my goal here.
This technology never ends, and it is not new. Infact, it is old as tubes, if not older.attachment_15839 attachment_15841 attachment_15843 Scan_20190830.jpg Scan_20190830 (2).jpg Scan_20190830 (3).jpg
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This coils diameter is about the size of a penny, and wrapped around a ferrite core, the wire size is about 4 or 5 times bigger than the hair on your head, it measures 52 ohms. The gas production is not normal at all for only 2.5 volts 30 milliamps, this is just not normal!
Thought I would share this since I was experementing with my old single 555 pwm, I have that of lawton, one timer, 10k ohm on gate of fet to ground! both 200k pentameters. one pot only needs to be 50k but 100k is overkill on one, underkill on the other.
I really hope someone has fun with some of this amazing, unusual stuff. I have to admit, I dont know what the hell I am doing at all, I am just playing around and stumbled upon this. I still have not tested bigger coils. This coil gets fairly warm, no where near hot. "Almost hot" its heated but not hot.
0.03 amps to cell, 3.47 volts lol, 0.1041 watts haha
0.08 amps 12.62 volts input to circuit 1.0096 watts
its more power in than out but why is it making hydrgen? and a good amount pretty steady bubble action too!
I put my finger between the positive terminal of the fuel cell and the positive terminal of my power source when I was trying to put my amp meter in series with the cell, and it shocked the living tar out of me!attachment_15845 Scan_20190831.jpg
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can you post a video of the gas production? -
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Yes0831190252.mp4
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Yes
Thanks!
What does your scope say, when you hook it up to the cell? -
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I got a resonance using Stan's Vic and didn't know till later, I have to reconstruct the Vic and try again and post. It was a low scale, I could tell it needed tweaking. There is something there. I had accidentally stumbled upon it when I connected 2 similar but HV could on the Vic with a shunt coil, it fried my timer. -
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frying is what we do...
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Ive been hitting very high frequency with step down transformer with promising result. More later. -
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Guy's I've been researching Step Up and Down DC to DC converters, messing with the PWM and the cell and let me tell you this! There is something there I can assure you this for a fact!
I would like to also add, Before stan ever started his water fuel cell research he was put a giant magafine glass at the top of a silo and tried to heat water in a pipe! He was trying to provide a small town with hot water then something happened and he stoped and started on hydrogen. Let me point out stan was searching for Green energy and I think he ran across the DC to DC being he was already interested in solar power and green energy.
I am telling you all, I think the heart of this technology is in the DC to DC and frequencies. I've seen it work both ways, stepped up and down. I've produced hydrogen with a coil wrapped only a few times at radio frequencies and also lots of times.
The PWM, it should be better understood why he was using a PWM, if you look at these DC to DC devices, you will See why the PWM matters. -
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Stan was using a Power Point Tracker! That was His Feedback Coil! I know it! -
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I blew a 10 amp Shunt Diode, and I'm just getting started! -
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More power is Produced than Consumed, For those that do not belive me, Ask stevie. Or shall I ask him here.
Stevie, I have a Question for you here.
Do you have to use an external Power Source to Produce hyrogen or electricity to the alternator? Or, can it be triggered without any external Power? Also, Remember back when We was Exciting the Roter with a battery just before we would Test this Theory. Could you tell the members here a little bit about what you remember?attachment_15855 Scan_20190908.jpg
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I have came to understand stan, when he states, you must use voltage to perform work, just as you would change the color on your tv, in other words, he is saying remove all contaminates from the water and use a Dc to Dc step up circuit to prove his theory. He was offered 250 million dollars to just stop his work. -
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Just watch this.....
This is what you want to do, i think..
Its called a boost converter.
This guy is lighting a 12v led on a 1.5v battery.
The coil gets charged first and then the coil discharges, plus the 1.5v of the battery in series.
So shortly you get and power boost, so to say..
It is fun to build.
I once made one with a wfc,
I always wanted to go back to it again...
Remember that circuit we build that showed more power out then in?
Thats the other variant....
Charge the coil and cell, switch off and part of the bifcoil got its charge from the cell and then power on, double power to the cell....
With a low resistance watercell, you might need to add a second transistor. 1 extra after the diode. So, one that breaks the connection to the capacitor...when you switches on the other transistor for charging the coil.
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remember Pochintwin?
He replicated our circuit and he used a big bifilar toroid....
I have still all his data.
Like 350w in and like 500w into the cell
Or in his other video 60w in the circuit and 220watts out...in the cell....Brutal -
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can you post his circuit?
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2 things are going on here, we use high amp draw like in your last post, and Stan explained you only need voltage. Both are acceptable in my book. But the alternator looks to be DC to DC. And more power is produced than consumed if you do not include the driver moter. -
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I have came to the conclusion that on stans system, he is using 2 chokes on 1 core. Biffilar or the like. I now understand that he used the choaks in such a way that they Cancelled Each other out in a way that Prevents Amp Flow. Now I understand I never experimented with this type of configeration because then it made no sense, and the times that I did I got No gas production because No current would Flow. Now I understand that if you Hit the Resonate Frequency of the Chokes, Voltage Potential will Clime above 100k Volts, and this is when the water modelcule gets shreaded apart by voltage. I will do more Experiements on these Chokes, We Know Stan pointed us in a close Direction when he Described the Choke Value, and Told us a Close Frequency. We Also know that Stan did say you would have to Tune one of the Chokes to the other Chokes.
Stevie, This is where you need Funds To Purchase Ferrite Rods and put the Chokes to the test. I will do what I can, But, Some How Once choke will have to be tuned in such a way it will have to exactly agree with the adjasent choke, as no frequency will work if the one choke is not tuned into the other. This is why I think we never seen the circuit work. It makes no sense. I think this circuit does work, I think we just have not tuned into this circuit yet. I will Poke around at this Theory, and I will try and atleast get some form of Bubbles, and Then I will Brush it up in every angle to gain extra bubbles, I will tune this single circuit over a Long periode of Time now that I think I am onto this confusing stuff. I am sorry and I do opologize on my Bipolar post that is very contradicting, but these electronics Jerk me one way then another. The Truth is, There is Another Resonate Circuit that is also overunity and it has came into interference with the voltage potential does work one.