Stan Meyer Patent search....U.S. Ser. No. 302,807
Started by unknown · · 37 posts · last reply 17 February 2023
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Does anybody have this patent?
patent application, filed, Sept. 16, 1981, U.S. Ser. No. 302,807, for Hydrogen Generator, a hydrogen gas generating system
If so, please share it with me.
Thanks!
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anybody? -
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My wife is in surgery, I will look as soon as I can, it's possible I have it because I knew to download everything I could get my hands on before they all got lost. Just give me time and I will look as soon as I can.
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Where did you get the patent number?
I am sorry to hear of your wife, Brian....
I got it from the famous Meyer movie and from his other patents where he mentioned it....
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That's actually an application number. These aren't kept on file indefinately. About your only chance of getting it is if someone downloaded it back then.
Meyer refered to it as "co pending". It may have been granted as a patent, or he could have abandoned it. This can happen if all the claims are duplicated in a subsequent patent. But, the abandoned application could still have contained key information not included in a subsequent filing.
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I had the same problem when trying to research the Australian and German Patent database. The Australian patents were applied for but abandoned The German references
might be the German indexing number for EP or WIPO in the German database Another problem occurs in the Titles because a translation from an English language patent to
Japanese or German and the when translated back by machine translation the titles are different
An example of this is the Japanese cross reference handed out at the Bremen conferences and posted here at ionizationx Sometimes the denotation and connotation
issues in translation result in an approximation of the meaning. Add to that , the need by Meyer to invent phrases to describe hitherto unknown processes adds to the imprecision
and "fuzziness" Frank Close, the head of the Theoretical Physics Dept. over at Rutherford Laboratories ran into the same problem....He discusses this in the "It Runs on Water" programme.
The following link is a to years and serial number for a US patent and has a xx/yyyy format
Since the 1981 year does not go up to 302807 for that year, use a google search for 6/303807 ( dropped the zero in the x field
which results in a link to US patent US4613304A titled "Gas Electrical Hydrogen Generator"
Link to table:
https://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/ac/ido/oeip/taf/filingyr.htm
regards
Just google 4613304A and download the pdf from google.patents or the US patent office -
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I hope that you can help here, Jim.
You have all kinds of detective qualifications....
Please help to find the genisis patent of Meyer.
It will shine a light on a lot i think.
Thanks
Steve -
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Answer for patent series 302807
xx/yyyyyy format
a search for patent series 6/302807 brings up US Pat 4613304A -
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Yes, i had the same
That patent just mentioned the other one... -
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Answer for patent series 302807
xx/yyyyyy format
a search for patent series 6/302807 brings up US Pat 4613304A
I hope that you can continue searching for this patent, Jim. I think it will clarify a lot about the basic technic of Stan....
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If you do a patent search on the us patent office, and wait like 20 SpongeBob years, you will get access to 2 patents where Stan used additives. -
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If you do a patent search on the us patent office, and wait like 20 SpongeBob years, you will get access to 2 patents where Stan used additives.
and why did you not post them here?
Would have helped.....
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Nobody has to follow a patent in order to make something to work.
It is more than proved that there is nothing true about that in the patent.
Some can argue back and forth but in the end there is no sucessfull replication of this work, not in the condiitons mentioned in the patents.
The only way to do this is start from the earlier work and try to find out how to improve that.
Forget miracle claims of no amps, it will consume power whatever you like it or not.
The difference is there will not be a chemical reaction, there will be no additives to the water and there will not be any reaction with the electrodes, chemically.
Patent figures was just exagerated to be distinct from electrolysis and grant the patent.
And there is no f*cking capacitor WFC, just a non linear resistor. -
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Nobody has to follow a patent in order to make something to work.
It is more than proved that there is nothing true about that in the patent.
Some can argue back and forth but in the end there is no sucessfull replication of this work, not in the condiitons mentioned in the patents.
The only way to do this is start from the earlier work and try to find out how to improve that.
Forget miracle claims of no amps, it will consume power whatever you like it or not.
The difference is there will not be a chemical reaction, there will be no additives to the water and there will not be any reaction with the electrodes, chemically.
Patent figures was just exagerated to be distinct from electrolysis and grant the patent.
And there is no f*cking capacitor WFC, just a non linear resistor.
that came out of your hart
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its just a very leaky capacitor..... -
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Just saving everyone's time and frustration.
Andrija Puharich talks about resonance to be the most current with the less power applied, Meyer talks the opposite with almost same circuit (inductors and transformer) with exception of the diode.
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Just saving everyone's time and frustration.
with serie resonance, thats what it is. Current and also voltage. out of phase......The voltage creates the "pressure" and then the current can boost in. That how you get lots of current going thru a wfc...
Andrija Puharich talks about resonance to be the most current with the less power applied, Meyer talks the opposite with almost same circuit (inductors and transformer) with exception of the diode.
Everyone who think by their own head will question all of this.
now the question is: how high can you go with voltage to charge up a bifilar coil? What are the upper borders?
Of course it depends on the amount of windings and wire resistance, but still...
Lets say, we take a ferriet core with 400 bif windings...
How high can you go with volts?
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Just saving everyone's time and frustration.
with serie resonance, thats what it is. Current and also voltage. out of phase......The voltage creates the "pressure" and then the current can boost in. That how you get lots of current going thru a wfc...
Andrija Puharich talks about resonance to be the most current with the less power applied, Meyer talks the opposite with almost same circuit (inductors and transformer) with exception of the diode.
Everyone who think by their own head will question all of this.
now the question is: how high can you go with voltage to charge up a bifilar coil? What are the upper borders?
Of course it depends on the amount of windings and wire resistance, but still...
Lets say, we take a ferriet core with 400 bif windings...
How high can you go with volts?
As high as the components will allow. That WFC capacitive-resistor has a voltage threshold relative to the gap spacing and the water impurities. The chokes and diode do too. All components have to support the working threshold desired.
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Just saving everyone's time and frustration.
with serie resonance, thats what it is. Current and also voltage. out of phase......The voltage creates the "pressure" and then the current can boost in. That how you get lots of current going thru a wfc...
Andrija Puharich talks about resonance to be the most current with the less power applied, Meyer talks the opposite with almost same circuit (inductors and transformer) with exception of the diode.
Everyone who think by their own head will question all of this.
now the question is: how high can you go with voltage to charge up a bifilar coil? What are the upper borders?
Of course it depends on the amount of windings and wire resistance, but still...
Lets say, we take a ferriet core with 400 bif windings...
How high can you go with volts?
Well, as I stated in the other post, the voltage in the cell is directly proportional to the current passing thru it. No matter how many turns your bifilar has, if it does not have the capability to feed many amps to your cell, you wont have high voltages at your cell, unless the resistance of your cell is huge (with the cell beign small). My cell has 100 Ohms resistance, I need 10 amps peak to have 1kV in it. In my case, if I had 1000t bifilar with awg35 wire, I would never reach kV in my cell, I can achieve with kV with 200t, awg23, but is pure electrolysis. If 100V is applied to a 100Ohm load, you'll always have 1amp, you'll never get to restrict the current without lowering the voltage, this is ohms law. You cannot apply 100V to a 100ohms load and have only miliamps, and it does not have anything to do with the frequency, you can sweep you cell from DC to 1Ghz, the frequency response is flat. -
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My two cents… a shorted coil coupling two separate cores behaves like a resonant tank at whatever frequency… it gets hundreds of amps… u are correct about the current voltage relation… I guess somehow this very high magnetic field is what could maybe restrict this amps… another educated guess I would do is that the coil must be able to have current flow capability otherwise it’s going to work really hot! I really think the epg was more likely to be the core of the system…
A copper tube works like a coupling magnetic field among the coils… a very good one if you keep current at certain level…I would say it’s a two sides of the same coin
My thoughts on this arise from William Barbat device and some work I did on this… there is post about this tests somewhere..I was working on regenerative feedback…
We could perhaps achieve this with two chokes on individual I cores wound longitudinally having another coil of very thick wire shorted over both… and pulsed in series with the cell
I was working with CC cores there were 3 or 4 at the time
The primary was at one transformer and the 3 turns 1inch thick wire couples this with other two or 3 cores and at this cores I had a output coil… the higher the load the higher was the current on the coupling coil … I think this was a sort of demonstration that a coupling can be something that change the game…
What makes it not a real short circuit is that the coupling is not perfect but mainly because it become like a two transformer so is one secondary and one primary in one coil
I would investigate winding a coil around this thick wire to see the behavior on that too.. may work could be done
I wish most luck to all working on this… I’m doing my best to be back on lab with time to do it
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If you think about water has a changing impedance… having a polímero filter is possible to get it up to 2kohm resistance at 0ppm
However the difficult part has always being that we want a circuit that apply voltage in a manner that it will be able to actually get higher and higher pulses in voltage while keeping same frequency “maybe”
Meyer wisely went for direct action in series
tayhehan made water inside a capacitor of high dielectric strength
Fracture cell use a combination of capacitances
I went for high power since low didn’t worked as expected… if you want to apply 2kv 10 amps this is 20kw… this requires a huge power supply! So the idea is that if we need power first you need to have big coils big cores etc
How much power do we really need ? Well it first depends on the water resistance secondly it depends on what voltage we want yo get
So if we want to get 1000 real volt pulse in the kilohertz range we need a choke capable of that…
As you see with 2kohm 1 amp this is already a 2kw power supply !!! If getting from 220v this is just 10 amps…
So with a 2kv Igbt a nice choke set and full wave bridge rectifier with perhaps some nice capacitors around we could get a power juice to drop in water… if you need more voltage the choke can have another like a secondary on top… I think at this point I would simply put full wave bridge rectifier using two diodes
I think this way a 1,2 kv igbt could be used
I would go for air core at this point!!! Or at least start with because this sort of power would require big cores… how big?
There is some calculation for chokes
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I did a few drawings last night hope you enjoy the trip…
This circuits doubles the pulse and allow the voltage to grow to a certain degree of course the thicker the wire the higher current it will absorb… when the correct frequency is find than it could be arranged as a resonant tank…
The main idea is that the shorted coil among the two cores act as a secondary and primary to each other as pulse goes…
As you can see is a sort of booster converter but coupled to each other loosely with a coil making in a manner to allow the secondary side to output some of the power acting as a load while the first side accumulate more and more power at this time the secondary side is already making a pulse because of the coupling and the square wave flips the first side will dump the energy as a pulse while now the second transformer charges while sustaining the pulse of the first transformer… the size of this shorted coil in number of turns will determine the voltage output I guess…
The idea is that when high current stop or change direction you get high pressureattachment_16715 attachment_16717 attachment_16719 attachment_16721 image.jpg image.jpg image.jpg image.jpg
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Nice, Seb.
I once, made schematic 1.
It worked. It boosted nicely...
Nice to see you back un the game..