Newguy

I havent got to play with it yet,I hope it does help .Ive finally got a soldering iron and a desoldering iron so ive been robbing parts.This software acts like its going to be complicated with the trial version,if you can get a core figured out please help us out with this program.The guy in the referance link with his MOT shows his project and the effects of a gapped core wich was nice and informative.Stans VIC picture shows a rather large gap doesnt it?

Tony is doing a great job with his simplified explanations and circuits... alot of good guys here still and of course alot of newguys.Ive only heard of one guy being able to actually get the water to" take on a charge "and shock the devil outta him
Steve got a great Christmas present he is currently preparing to share with the rest of us :0)
One things for sure is alot more people have alot more information now than we did 6 years ago.
The big picture still remains the same... those with the tools and money to work with close to spec materials are doing so as some of us not so fortunate are still hanging on doing what we can with what we have so all is good !

Im sure alot of ppl here are familar with Herman Anderson but just as things seem to click after much of Stans research some of Hermans research might click for some as well... take for example at 15:30 from his interview

Hey Steve, found some interesting reading.. not sure where this link should be placed but its something;

Ok.

Hard payed test info, all free for you.
I thought i was on the right path, but i wasnot.
Ionizing the output of an electrolizer is of no use, because the gas seems to be ionized already orso.
At least, my UV setup of 20watts of output into the gas didnt make any difference.
The HHO was banging the same with or without my charging/ionizing chamber.....
Toooooo bad.......... another experiment that was not working...

Would it be possible for you to meter 11% ionized air,being careful to destroy any ozone into your gas stream and then ignite it?
Measure the magnetic field in gauss and multiply that by 4,250 to get the frequency
It seems as if after reading some of that MEMO, Stan emplies bringing both electrons down to a para state...I allways assumed we wanted them both in an ortho state wich in room temperature water is a 50/50 mix.It takes a 1826 guass magnetic field to bring both protons in a water molecule into an ortho state..(resonate action/7.6 Mhz OR lower sub-harmonic frequency.)  using the ortho state of water at 25 degrees C. as an example of resonate action its then when both the electrons can absorb the  energy it needs provided the  energy is at its absorbing intensity(frequency) and amplitude(wat/s) to be ejected from the molecule leaving a lone proton/hydrogen nucleus, .Using the 1826 guass magnetic ortho induced resonate action example.... the protons in the oxygen molecules are undergoing the same process Stan says, but I havent found any other documents explaining that process in a way I can understand just yet

Quote from: newguy on December 02, 2012, 05:14:20 am

After all the ionizing research is done... what then?  Im wandering what are the goals of the ones posting in this thread or even those that have yet to post with the ionizing research? 
Steve what are your goals with the ionizing research?
Seb what are your goals with the ionizing research?
Dave?
Please be as specific as possible and with just a first goal for now please.

I'm most interested in removing 4 electrons from the 2p sub shell of oxygen.  Or at least a few of them. I'd like to see proof of concept of Stan's injector technology by mixing positively charged oxygen with excited water mist and trying to ignite it. The charged oxygen will hopefully take electrons from the excited water mist leading to the breakdown of the molecule. Stan calls for a positively charged gas, but nitrogen is very stable and hard to ionize.

Thats perfect...  have you ever seen one these power supplies?
http://www.colestaticcontrol.com/pulseddc.htm
Im looking for patents on these type of power supplies to hopefully get a more detailed look at ther functions.. a few simple and some very complex.
I found one patent using that paticular PS but its not even citing it  
US2012247503 (A1)

http://www.spartanwatertreatment.com/UV-ozone-destruction.html

I like that link...  if you havent been to my old yahoo group -Hydroxy Boost- which is now - water4gas-   long story but i gave hydroxy boost away and then Earl changed its name to water4gas... but any way i think you would find alot of interesting files and links posted by me (burnhydroxy) on there.. or ill go and see if there is anything saved there that mite perk ur interests as well

ok here is the waveform or something closer to wat i was expecting to see, all ive done is superimposed another signal onto the gate signal.The idea i thawt i guess is to fill every other pulse with the gate signal.Ive got the frequency and adjustment close but not perfect if anyone is interested or will state an opinnion.The cell driver circuit variables are there  but not not hooked up ,you can see wer the scope is attatched the reisister that hooks up the cell driver part.. i just guessed at the components wich aint good but should be able to be replaced with ease if someone knows the rite parts. again i thawt the idea was to fill every other pulse of the superimposed signal with a gate signal.Im just tryin to learn for now so an oppinion would be nice    I dont have the frequency and gate adjustment matched to fill just every other pulse yet.

ok my hopes are back up again....i just picked the first coponents i found to check it again but now the waveform remains the same thru a transformor

Quote from: newguy on March 31, 2011, 14:08:46 pm

 
ok but its not changing the frequency the only thing its doing ..well i dare say the only thing but ......  wat its not doing is changing the frequency.What its doing is timing how often the frequency goes thru.(duty cycle of the frequency)Im very currious how the cell driver circuit effects the pulse from this gated signal but I would almost bet it just amplifies it so the the primary dont burn up the circut...  but i really cant wait to see a waveform from this circut to me it looks just like his drawing... thing is his drawing looks like a regular square wave untill youve played with this circuit for some reason you have to usually slide the pot a lil bit to get the sim to start sometimes  ....

try this circuit....works better in the sim
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?topic=1965.msg19749#msg19749

 Thanks Ali, i think i got overexcited for a minute i found an error on connection K and i dont like connection K lol.   The waveform has changed to something regular on the sim thru a transformer so Im kinda depressed rite now lol.

Newguy, is much simpler to use a 555 timer and an opamp like 741, so you can vary from 0 up to 100% dutycycle without changing the frequency. Please Don't think that this circuit for the gate is absolutely necessary or the only way to make the gate to put the thing to work cause its not.

Of course is better than the opamp, for higher frequencies, maybe,,,

The important thing is to match the impedance so you can apply maximum voltage to the water restricting the amps.

ok but its not changing the frequency the only thing its doing ..well i dare say the only thing but ......  wat its not doing is changing the frequency.What its doing is timing how often the frequency goes thru.(duty cycle of the frequency)Im very currious how the cell driver circuit effects the pulse from this gated signal but I would almost bet it just amplifies it so the the primary dont burn up the circut...  but i really cant wait to see a waveform from this circut to me it looks just like his drawing... thing is his drawing looks like a regular square wave untill youve played with this circuit for some reason you have to usually slide the pot a lil bit to get the sim to start sometimes  ....

ok.... finally .... its not the adjustment that doesnt work its the sim.with the values posted and running 5khz am into it  if u manually change the pots value it works but with the 5khz it doesnt work under 90kohms.and i cant get a square wave into it to work at all.

Bobs boards are opto-isolated, the last version i had used the pcp116 opotos.

Thanks! Since i dont have my lab I'm working on a Furnace to melt down aluminum for stans plug experiments. Its a work in progress.

cool... I built a " cowboy style " furnace once..  I liked it a lot because it used propane as the heat source and was a very easy Saturday project.

Everyone knows he died before finishing his injectors.
Us poor boys will have to wait till all the apples have decayed to have access to Stans more detailed demonstrations...mayb after those with all the detailed videos have finished their fame and fortune run we ALL ' will have a chance to observe and enjoy his detailed demonstrations and have a better chance to feel a complete understanding from Stan his self rather than from someone else with all that real information that has made their own conclusions...we all have understandings of parts of the puzzle and one day even us oranges will taste good.
 

Ed, you keep on telling everyone you know it all and your not going to share anything and that your leaving. Why do you keep coming back? Just leave dude. We don't need your infinite intelligence granted to you by the most high.

We're all on these forums to have fun, ask questions and share and help each other. Just the other day a newbie was asking questions about Stan's tech and all you could do was tell him you knew it all and he was behind. No help, no suggestions, no guidance, nothing...

You getting kicked off the forums is not because you know it all, it's because you don't know how to treat other people.

Thats what is so disgusting about that dude...he comes here to try and gain knowledge under the illusion of allready knowing everything yet all he can produce is a scope shot and overly priced novelty items that have no real usuability....its as if he truly thinks people here and other forums are as gullible as the general public thats never seen an electrolyser....sometimes its funny but most of the time its infuriating with all the insults...i honestly think what he is trying to do is piss off the right person to fall into an information war to try and pull his self out of the hole he has rutted his self into...the dude will never produce any appreciated amount of fuel untill some one shows him how and with his attitude that likely will NEVER happen

Just a thought, I think we need more electronegative voltage than positive voltage across the water molecule.

Does it matter if the inner or outer electrode is negative?

No unfortunately when ironheads site shutdown it was unexpected i dont have anything from there even my own stuff is lost with it.
Kiethturtle mite have it ...he was here at some time