Newguy

@Kali
Do you think the reason for the low current measure is because you haven't reached the threshold voltage or current to turn the SCR on?

seems like he's playin with figure AA  of the evaluation report

would yall give us a referance to where the current should be 180 out of phase ? All i can remember Stan saying was 90.

I don't think that you understand the usage of the air gas processor.It does not process all of the air going into the engine.It only does a small amount.This processed air is injected under the throttlebody along with exhaust gas recirculation.Also the idle control air is added in there as well to control the engines idle spped.So you have ionized air,exhaust gasses and metered air,all going in under the throttlebody,in the vacuum area.
 
The air gas processor.tubes are the same size as the resonant cell.3 inches long.To ionize the air several thousand volts will be needed.
 
Don

I remember in one video he says  11 percent.

There allways seemed to be an insulating material over the negative disk wich doesnt seem to be there from the new photo of the bottom

Please re-read my last post,I made a correction to better clarify the outer tube thickness.
Don

Thats really neat info !!!   The spacing between the tubes I think is wats most important with the diffrent outter tube thickness I would believe.The high and low side switch on his electric box is interesting now that we know there were actually 2 diffrent spacings within his tubes wich may not have any relationship at all  lol  I wish he was here to answer questions .
 
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Thank you Tony !!! sure looks like you have a " reduced to practice version "   nice !!!!

edit: i wrote this before reading Tony's posts.....  It really looks like he has a good grasp on things
 
 
I had once posted a calculation on oupower that i  thawt the tubes would be 13.4" based on wat i  think may have been a flawed theory but now that i think about it once again.... i think the theory may hold some water lol...The reasoning i came up with 13.4 inches was  Stan said the frequency for a 3 inch tube was 5 khz..... i came up with 13.4 by adding 3inches for every 5 khz till i came up with  42.8 khz and a length yea of 13.4 inches   I havent sit down yet and added it up that way to reach the average length  13" 5/16  but i remember also that someone said Stan may have used 43 some khz... even if adding it up the way i did was backwards it shouldnt be too hard to substract 5khz for every 3 inches of tube length but should still be a harmonic of around the the 43 some khz ? It looks like from the pictures the theory of a standing wave from the tubes themselves is shot down due to the placement of the power tabs ?  The frequency and space between the tubes may not be of importance but Im sure ive read in one of Stans patents that it is.
 
 I also remember Stan saying in a video " when you tune in with voltage "  wich seems to refer to the number of turns on the resonate charging chokes and " if you want more volatge " seems to refer to the secondary windings.I would very much like begin with a  " reduced to practice " version of his demo cell and wandering if thats possible with just 2 sets of tube cells???
 

Thank you for sharing those pictures and info...   

its because they switch the possitive side instead of the negative side ??

Ever heard of carbon monoxide or carbon dioxide?
Syngas? Woodgas?

In the early years, man ran cars on burning wood.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wood_gas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syngas

I think that P.P. is doing the same here. Water is getting transformed into hydrogen and oxygen by the geet processor and the gras is added for some carbon atoms.

Steve

I met a gas station attendant a couple years ago and he said his dad drove around with a box of yeast and some stuff that made syngas on demmand.... i never seen it but this brought that memory back. he didnt say syngas all he said was bubbled and gas  lol....  ehh anyway    as far as a only water powered geet motor is kinda hard to concieve even if you are use'n a fuel injector to squirt water in the reactor.Mine would barely take water from just the intake vacuum and it bogged down when it did have mostly water in the jug.I must add i never cut my rod to length, i did measure the rod it did have poles magnetized and they were alot shorter than the full length of the rod.it was enuff to prove to me it worked on gas and was really all i was looking for.

That is wierd  lol  a hole filled with grass ?

well it was Prestridge I was thinking about...   I'd say yall done read that anyway being Stan referanced to it, not really to do with ac electrolysis.Horace Heffner done some expieriments with AC electrolysis.Prestidge seemed to play on the works of Cotrell... maybe worth reading his work ??

I have tried to visualise what happens at the interface between the electrodes and water:

For a negative DC electrode:
A water molecule gains an electon from the electrode.
The enables 1 H atom to overcome the electronegativity of the water molicule and split off.
This leaves a neg. OH- ion in contact with the negativly charged plate.
As both are negative the OH- ion is repelled away from the electrode at extremely high speed.
Now there are billions of water molicules in the way, which the ion bumps into.
This causes the the kenetic energy of the ion to be changed into heat in the electrolyte.

Now picture what would happen If the electrode could be changed to positive extremly fast, before the negative ion leaves, or moves too far away:
The negative charge would be stripped off, adding power to the setup.
An extra electron would also be taken away; making a OH+ ion and perhaps splitting it into O and H?

So the question becomes:
How fast does the OH- ion move away from / break contact with, the negative electrode and thus how high does the AC frequency have to be to present a positve surface to said negative ion before this happens?



From the link above it would seem that the ion moves away at an initial speed of around 2 million miles
in a minute!?

From this one can deduce that your AC frequency has to be insanely high for you to see any advantages to using AC.

Or perhaps the OH- ion bounces off the closest water molicule at a certain frequency and would then hit the electrode again if it were + at the right time?

 

So; whats the highest frequency AC one can produce?
 

Stan Meyer referanced a decent patent ... lemme find that and see if it helps  brb

Guys Im new at all this , does anybody have a parts list for the circuit in this patent?
It sounds like he starts out as a plasma cell and does something with the negative side to extinguish the plasma without a voltage drop.

This is what im getting out of his figure 3 circuit...its a negative voltage tho.

Tripple Slope Generator is my TSG circuit to clarify that part...in his hearing patent Puharich states the need to auto tune due to the different capacities of the human head ...he states the use of high inductance coils and how the resonate frequency changes when using different types of electrodes...the other circuit, i think figure 2 was a variable type generator for use with all his different type of electrodes is that right? Wich one does he use as the input to component 2 of his wfc?

https://www.google.ch/patents/US3586791

Figure 3

He gives component values using the human head as capacitance.
Can you explain how that circuit auto tunes?

Is anyone else working on this?

so this is my problem as well... finally got a waveform that may work for testing but even after pushing it thru a transformer it still looks like it does out of the signal generator..  no up side down reflection :/

That's what I should have ask I guess is how you imagine a waveform would if I said:
Between a sawtooth and square box on your oscilloscope.

I think this is what Herman ment...It's cited in all 3 of his patents and looks perfectly to his description.Flip Flop...Push pull what ever but you can tell it's not what was described at the end of the interview.It puts out an AC square wave at  .


https://www.google.com/patents/US4820957

That's what I should have ask I guess is how you imagine a waveform would if I said:
Between a sawtooth and square box on your oscilloscope.