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What kind of waveform can imagine if I said :
Between a sawtooth and square box ?

Quote from: KS on February 18, 2016, 20:51:26 pm

Have you seen his waveforms yet?

No. Not seen any waveforms.....

I have this circuit on paper with D11 citcled for some reason...it seems like such a huge circuit mayb to much for me
Is it worth noting it states Horvath Systems produced 1.45 lpm?

Have you seen his waveforms yet?

Fight fire with fire brother....
it would be a nice feeling to watch it all but we don't need it.It being hidden from us this long almost makes it feel tainted in a sense the holders feeling we shouldnt see it.
We've came along way without it...those that have it can't say that.

This double negative electrode is becoming more apparent now that I know its possible....a nickle plated anode will not survive an electrolysis proccess.....i guess nothing but a stainless steel ANODE will survive...everything else gets eat away.
Im not convinced Herman used a stainless steel anode unless that was part of the interview we didnt get to see.
Im asking for ideas or information about the use of ANODE's that do not get eat away.
I have a couple of ideas but only one that uses a replaceable anode being that there actually is one place where inserting an anode wouldnt be that difficult in Hermans system.
Its the ONLY way i can see charging electrodes to 70kV without causing a blow up.
when using electrolyte it does not matter where you put the anode as long as its in the water.... hydrogen will be made at the negative electrode/s.
I do not understand looking at Hermans interview why the standing pipe top has that melted like indention on the cap.
hers a nice read

http://www.intechopen.com/books/electrolysis/water-electrolysis-with-inductive-voltage-pulses

here's the EXAMPLE...its not perfect and not complete but its configuration is proving.
Its not very easy getting a video of it because it happens in the middle of the cell..all I have is tap water and table salt for now and it gets nasty really fast..watch and rewatch it....you'll notice its easier to see at the right of the cell.
Its really not a good video of it... ill keep trying and share a better view.
Its a baby step .
What its showing me is there must be a north and south pole or it doesn't work.
Im betting somebody can tell me  what the secret is with that.
Its better if you go to youtube and watch it full screen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Os4i46y9BV8&feature=youtu.be

does it make sence how one side of that is acting like an anode and maybe what the devider he is talking about?
It wouldn't surprise me if Herman had some kind of metal screen close to the top.....

Here's a picture of it.
The trick is ...this is just the negative electrode.... the anode is laying in the bottom of the bucket about 3 inches from the bottom of that electrode.
It doesn't work bypassing  coils... just hooking the power up straight to the electrodes( + in the bottom of the bucket, - on the horseshoe electrode)
The coils put a + and - pole on the negative electrode.
Its almost confusing but there is a positive pole on one side of that electrode.
The inductor(s) is one coil in reality just half of it wound in the opposite direction.
One end of the coil hooks to the electrode(either side),the other end of the coil goes to ground.
without the coils hooked up it just barely bakes any bubbles at all the electrodes

here's the EXAMPLE...its not perfect and not complete but its configuration is proving.
Its not very easy getting a video of it because it happens in the middle of the cell..all I have is tap water and table salt for now and it gets nasty really fast..watch and rewatch it....you'll notice its easier to see at the right of the cell.
Its really not a good video of it... ill keep trying and share a better view.
Its a baby step .
What its showing me is there must be a north and south pole or it doesn't work.
Im betting somebody can tell me  what the secret is with that.
Its better if you go to youtube and watch it full screen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Os4i46y9BV8&feature=youtu.be

That doesn't make any sence tho and here is why....
It takes an external magnetic field to put the spins of the proton into resonance....that means that under the influence of a magnetic field  the protons spin will align with the magnetic field.(required)
What I know is that it takes a field strength of 1826 gauss field for the protons in a glass of water to align.You know what it takes when the net magnetic field increases due to alignment.
What I know is that the required magnetic field is different depending on what the proton is bonded to(hydrocarbon,tissue ect,) but I know what it takes for protons in just a glass of water so I start there.
When the protons are in resonance....(aligned with the magnetic field,the spins will be paralle) its possible to flip the spin of every other proton into a higher energy state with a COMBINED RF pulse.That RF pulse has to match the lamar frequency of the proton (4250 x magnetic field - that means { measure your magnetic field }and {mutilply it by 4250} to find the lamar frequency) We know this because when the RF pulse is switched off the induced spin flip decays to normal and emits RF energy...with feedback or what ever its detectable and that's how they know what the frequency is.
The way it seems is that since the RF pulse flips the spin into a higher energy state we want the energy to go high enough so that the lower energy state will be the product we looking for.....
I don't understand it all and am not claiming to but with the limited understanding I have I know there is an exchange of energy going on to do what Herman was doing and I know there must be a specific process to get it done.
It takes 2 seconds for the protons to align in the magnetic field and be ready for the RF pulse...it takes a magnetic field and a certain RF frequency for the protons to accept the RF pulse ...
I cant see how how pulsing each sepperatly will have any affect
One thing is for certain tho...
Herman said if his plates were to close it would just roll around like a tornado and not do anything.How do we know our distane is right if we cant create the tornado?
I think if we cant at least create the tornado then we are missing something.
Its the same thing with Stans...untill they can create the ribbon ( double tornado??) Then they are missing something.
We know how the tornado is created  ( electric fields superimposed with magnetic fields )
This in part my theory of paralles of voltage and magnetism comes from.

3 of the most important statements he made were :
1)"You have to get your magnetics just right.If you get them to close it will just roll around in there and not do anything"
2)" I had them make me 2 and wire them together"
3) "magnetically "
#3 is the most interesting. ...he was asked if he had high voltage hidden inside his chamber,his answer was "magnetically "



notice He also says, "you wont"  as to say that part must have been a difficult part for the man.
He later says stuff about the wires in there and corona discharge.
The interview is just chopped up so much we just have to try to understand and build it however it will work.
He also in that answer says " as fast as the electricity" to say the magnetics is an electromagnet.
You can see the glitch in the tape soon after.... edited.
I think i can at least turn the electrodes into strong eough magnets now so I guess im gonna break out all that stuff now and try to work on it some...ill share everything i do and see how it goes...is anyone else going to start sharing anything with this?

Maybe these are more clear

What makes me think why James and who ever else worked with Hermans original electrodes failed to keep it going,is the thin layer left had worn out and burnt thru...this is how it looked on the inside of one electrode.I tried to draw the jagged edges as it appeared....
I believe the Stanford study is the most important discovery made in the realms of our type of research.I think if we are going to give this an honest go we must perform that expieriment.
My inductor wire wire will be here in the morning and im most excited about that atm.
Herman may have needed the specific 70kV for a specific thickness of the electrode in our little chamber.
I don't have a trifield meter or what ever we will need to measure the milli-Roetgen/hour radiation.....
We know Herman used at least 2 applications of radiation.
We know Herman used "2/ 35kV coils wired in series for 70kV."
We know Herman used series resonance  "it amplify's the current"
We know Herman used a magnetic field.
We know Herman used on demand ozonated water.
We know Herman used KOH with a pH of 12.
We know Herman used a standing pipe to circulate the water.
We know Herman used fog to slow the burn rate.

Have you seen these equations yet?
http://www.accelinstruments.com/Applications/WaveformAmp/Magnetic-Field-Generator.html

lf in addition to a steady magnetic field, varying fields with frequency components in the neighborhood of the Larmor precession frequency are present, the nuclear magnetic moment may be caused to change its orientation by a resonance effect. lf the frequency of an applied oscillating magnetic field, which is oriented at right angles to the direction of the static magnetic field, matches that corresponding to the difference in energy between adjacent orientations according to the rule, Plancks constant times the frequency equals the energy jump, then the transition will occur. lf the match is not close, transitions will be very unlikely.

For example, when a magnetic field of strength 1,826 gauss is applied to a sample of water, the protons which form the hydrogen l nuclei have only two possible orientations with respect to the field. The parallel orientation has the least Steady magnetic field strength Plancks constant For protons this gives 4,250 X magnetic field strength in gauss, or to take the example above 4,250Xl,826=7.76 megacycles per second.At this field strength it takes 5x10(-20) ergs to excite the antiparallel state. Since the magnetic field at each proton is not exactly the same, the resonance will occur in a narrow band of frequencies centered on 7.76 megacycles. The resonance line width, which is the measure of this band width, depends on the inhomogeneities in the applied field, as well as those arising from the internal structure ofthe material.

Except when they are under the influence of a magnetic field the magnetic moments of the protons of hydrogen are in random orientation for before the field is applied, the parallel and antiparallel positions of the nuclei are no different in energy and equally likely to occur. Upon application of the field, the protons snap into line with substantially half parallel and the remainder antiparallel, but this is not a stable condition in the field, because with the field applied, the antiparallel state of the proton has a higher energy, and hence tends to emit this energy difference and drop to the lower parallel state. This tendency is counteracted by thermal motion, which gives rise to field components at the resonant frequency, and hence to transitions up and down between the two states. As a result, an equilibrium is established at any given temperature where there is a slight excess occupation of parallel states compared with antiparallel states. This equilibrium condition is not, however, attained the instant the magnetic field is switched on, but rather'is approached according to a characteristic time known as the thermal relaxation time.
The hydrogen nuclei (protons) in pure water at room temperature have a relatively long relaxation time (about 2 seconds)
The rate at which energy is absorbed from the RF coil depends on the rate at which excited nuclei are deexcited.

 https://www.google.com/patents/US4706030

https://www.google.com/patents/US5461265

An oscillating magnetic field of radio frequency is simultaneously produced.
 If the oscillating magnetic field is tuned to a frequency corresponding to the proton nuclear Larmor precession frequency , radio frequency energy will be absorbed and scattered. As energy is absorbed, the distribution between parallel and antiparallel states is altered.
lf the DC or steady magnetic field is modulated by superimposing upon it a fluctuating magnetic field, the protons of the hydrogen present may be caused to attain the resonant condition periodically.
The intensity of the magnetic resonance effect whether it be observed as nuclear absorption, nuclear dispersion .or nuclear induction, depends on the relaxation time, since the maximum intensity observed is that at which the number of protons being excited by the magnetic oscillations equals the number being deexcited by the relaxation effect.
 
There should be a small phase or amplitude unbalance signal present at resonance. If amplitude unbalance is used, absorption is displayed. If phase unbalance is used, phase-shift or dispersion curve is displayed on the oscilloscope.

with this picture below....you have now seen the inside of Hermans anode.

[/quote from Steve]
Fabio, I am still struggling to find out where the neutrons are coming from in Hermans setup...
I See the hydrogen ions being accelerated by the hv and soft xrays.
Any ideas on that?
[/quote]

Oxygen... I don't really think it cares how its structured (hydroxyl or hydroxide ect.)

Herman says in his interview the corona disharge draws the necleus of the water molecule in on it self and by the time it gets to the cathode its already into deuterium.

Quote from: KS on March 27, 2016, 04:49:06 am

Here's something to consider...alltho we didnt get to actually see any details of Hermans "special designed ozonated water generator" we do know he used one from the interview .



http://www.google.com/patents/US3352642

Kevin, it seems I missed that oxon generator part...
Where did you read that, or seen that?

When I ran my motorbike on hho I also experimented with ionized air on the air intake at the same time.
I can tell you that it adds value :-)
Did Herman sucked the air in thru his cell or not?

Cheers

That part is near the end of his interview after the rain i think.

Nice video    seems like there should still be an oscilliating  signal  on the week force between the pulling.... maybe not.  like the vid
 

less energy required to make hydrogen

just for simplicity say you break all the hydrogens and what you end up with is :

http://academic.brooklyn.cuny.edu/biology/bio4fv/page/polar_c.htm

also note that hydrogen bonding is a special type of van der waals interaction between molecules not the O-H bonds..

 http://www1.lsbu.ac.uk/water/hbond.html

Ohhh thanks for clearing that up Geon 

probably similar but 2 millions is actually a small number..

mercy.... if 2 million is small...  how many bonds in a drop ? ? ? A drop is rather small isn't it ? ? ? Goodness that must surely mean ALOT of energy 

yes but its frequency depedent.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photodissociation

ohhh k....  but you don't mean something like:

http://www.google.com/patents?id=c2qqAAAAEBAJ&dq=7,384,619

There must be a lot of energy stored in a million bonds....  imagine if we broke 2 million bonds ...whoooaaa  ....  ehhh that cant be possible can it... 2 million bonds ? ? ? ?