Newguy

You should start a projects page and post pictures and stuff .

NewGuy, normal electrolysis does start at just under 2V.  Breaking the water with just a voltage field is what requires a much higher voltage pulse.

Ten 4...im gonna try to stay out of this one...i hope thers some real new guys that will input something

Timeshell, thank you for your effort to show us this.

But, should we trust in a 10 dollar meter ?
Do you have access to a more reliable meter such as a fluke or other trusted equipment?
This modules uses the LC combination for measurement, others uses the RC scheme for capacitance measuring.
My meter does not show any difference thats why I am asking you for it.

Cheers

May not mean much but its understandable i suppose  ...capacitance is measured with a current flow from possitive to negative right? IF the possitive is bigger in diameter ....ehh * f * it lol...check a factory electrolytic capacitor and reverse the leads or something and see if you get the same reading...sense x blade isnt getting different readings he needs another example than a wfc.

Im using an uni-t lcr meter.

Youre not forming a good capacitor then maybe?
2 cents aint worth a nickle i know but ....
Timeshell makes complete sense with that.

Does the resonance feed back and drive the Primary like Puharich?
This is the drive I get from the feedback off of one leg of Puharich.
I think anyaways....just tryn to learn so try not be 2 mean

It looks like its just discharging obviously because thers no voltage applied.
The geometry being tubes instead of flat plates also obviously formed a decent capacitor.
I dont know why nobody ever shows a cell being pulsed with 26 volts charging up to 1000 volts or more....thats the example Stan gave ?
The water polarizes as soon as a voltage is present...polarization simply means the hydrogen is attracted to the negative and the oxygen to the possitive....when voltage is present they become polarized...simple.

Could there be a chance Stan was ahead of Witricity with 2nd resonance technology or is it totally off base with that?

Has anybody got any info on the effect with different guage of electrodes?
I think Stan demonstrated ther are no adverse effects on them ,so how thin are they suppose to be with the voltage thats required?

all those people who run away, i dont understand.
If you want to share yr results, then please do so.
Why run when 1 person is negative?
Dont go in discussion with him but appreciate thr good people.
Its the same on all forums, sadly enough.

New Guy, really?

Yea i dont appreciate the attacks on Neal and Ronnie.
Nobody has to follow anybody ,those that think they wasted time and money following anybody with this stuff wasnt in it for the right reason to begin with.
I cant speak for everyone but its really hard to want to engage with a  research group with 800 guests that contributes jack shit compared with the usual 5 or 6 members.
Id suggest finding a way to get the 800 guests to engage in discussion and be a real part of the group or close ther eyes.I cant be the only one not interested in such a huge silent audience.

P.s.

Hope everybody had a nice summer and ready for the season once again

I wouldnt bother with it either Neal...at least here with so many guests and 2 users...its not worth the time to even log in much any more.

Why not just super heat the water under a pressure above the xombustion engine, and release the fuel in the combustion chamber so it can convert instantly from a liquid to it's gas form?



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joule%E2%80%93Thomson_effect

I refferanced the Thomson effect thinking steam under a huge pressure drop would freeze or is it the other way around?

which video is that?

Quote from: Steve on June 02, 2017, 17:20:45 pm

Where did you read draining part?

The last paragraph of Column 8 states:

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The electron leakage resistor will again raise the upper limit of 8.5 volts amplitude before breakdown as shown at L-5 of FIG. 8. In the generation of the hydrogen and oxygen gasses to an infinite limit, as yet not fully appreciated, the upper level of amplitude of the voltage is removed with the utilization of the electron inhibitor of FIG. 7.

The two paragraphs above that are also relevant. 

When he talks about electron leakage, he means from one plate to the other - through the water.  So this resistor is draining the electrons which would other wise flow through the cell. This resistor is shown as "60" in FIG. 6 and "75" in FIG. 7.  It's mentioned in the abstract, and in claim #33.

Do you care to post the patent number?

"The next circuit comprises an electron inhibitor that prevents the flow of electrons; the circuit being in the terminal line between the negative plate exciter and ground. In those applications of the generator wherein excessively high voltage is to be applied to the plate exciters for a very high yield of gasses, a second electron inhibitor of a unique structure is serially connected with the first electron inhibiter. The second named inhibiter having a relatively fixed value and the first inhibiter connected in series is variable to fine tune the circuits to eliminate current flow.""

That sounds familiair.........2 chokes? Maybe not needed?

Just as in Puharich it seems.

How much redacted is this video? It looks like the "Big Bertha" .

Instead of trying to explain or have people question my thought process im just going to ask a few more questions o buddy ans say thanks for the good english in ur last post.
I gotta ask something about coils.....
If ive got a 1 henery inductance on a propper configured transformer with an iron core will that same 1henry produce the same voltage and current on a properly configured transformer with an air irocore?

I havent found any explanation between the 2 cores in terms of producing voltage and current with the same inductance value.

Can you explain potential  energy in terms of dielectric strength.
Can you explain bond length in terms active energy or what ever energy best fits bond length...i had a nice rubber band theory explaining my thought process with that and other things and lost it trying to save it for just that cause.
I mentioned dielectric of snow over yander but havent got any idea if its helped yet.
The jist of my lost post was making the dielectric...(potential energy gateway) higher and how small resistance values in circuits effect its intended function.
If snow is important in a way other than why its white...which is AIR in a k.i.s.s. methodology then its dielectric value or studies could help in finding that missing  adjustment.....it was allways clear to see in Stans "it runs on water " video for those that know what a faucet  looks like with alot of air in it....
say a prayer for me my friends and God Bless us ALL . (first job interview in 10 months)

The reason I'm saying the cell needs to be more electronegative is because of two reasons:

1) Electronegativity - the attractive force that an atom exerts on an electron (e-). A dipole covalent bond is attracted more towards an electronegative field.

2) I think that is what Stan means in the drawing below, where he drew (-)(-) = (+)

That's a cool pic...i think we've seen it before tho...are there any special notes on feedback or unseen scopeshots of Stans?

I remember in the textbooks they say 13.6eV but Steve Meyers said it was actually more like 11 to pull the electron out but...wat actually happens is it gains a repelling force great enough to separate them to a certain distance.
Electrons of course have the same charge but at rest so to speak the repelling force isn't strong enough to seperate them to an antibonding distance untill it reaches 13 or 11 eV....I think that's how I'm seeing it.

I've wanted to go back and look at the reference with the 3rd ring electrode at the top of one drawing. ..the most I can remember was it dealt with the EEC .