ionized HHO
Started by unknown · · 59 posts · last reply 11 February 2013
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANIeycEhe2o&feature=channel&list=UL
Look at 6:17
It takes 15 volts to ionize HHO.
Then he makes some bangs with his HHO in this and some other video of him.
I thought today to test this, because this brought back some memories to my earlier platecells.
I think i can confirm the fact that the bang is much louder if you use normal tapwater and higher voltage then that you comply to the law of electrolysis and use KOH with water and run it on a 1,48v level.
Same amount of gas, bangs really different!
This dude is right.
Thats why i ran my engines much better on my smaller cells with higher voltage per plate then when i made bigger cells and the engine didnt run better with more gas!
This is something to remember.
For you boosterboys, i think that you should change designs.....
Steve
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Actually, the guy writes further that he then uses sunlight to saturate the proton of the watermolecule.
Is that possible? Can protons be saturated by some kind of UV light source?
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got it..
Ozone in the ozone layer filters out sunlight wavelengths from about 200 nm UV rays to 315 nm, with ozone peak absorption at about 250 nm.[17] This ozone UV absorption is important to life, since it extends the absorption of UV by ordinary oxygen and nitrogen in air (which absorbs all wavelengths < 200 nm) through the lower UV-C (200 nm-280 nm) and the entire UV-B band (280 nm-315 nm).
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more:
One clever trick that has never quite worked is using ozone instead of oxygen. Energy is needed to cram an extra oxygen atom into the standard two-atom oxygen molecule. When you burn ozone you get the normal energy from combustion, plus that extra bit back. This additional energy results in a Ve (when burned with hydrogen) of around 4700 m/s, much like fluorine but without all that nasty active chemistry in the exhaust products. Problem is, ozone is metastable, and tends to spontaneously revert to standard oxygen, releasing the energy uncontrollably. The low temperature of liquid ozone slows this but doesn't completely eliminate it. And if one molecule decomposes, the energy released may cause two or three others to let go, starting a chain reaction which detonates your launch vehicle on the pad. Or your storage tanks in the tank farm.
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My conclusion for this day is:
It seems that electrolysis with a higher voltage between electrodes provide oxygen and hydrogen atoms which are in a higher energy state.
If you add UV light, lower then 350nm to the fresh HHO gas, you create O3, which is ozon. If you burn ozon with hydrogen, you get even more power.
Stage 1 is normale electrolysis with basic HHO gas (you need a lot of it)
Stage 2 is + 15 volts and higher electrolysis with HHO gas in a higher energy state. ( you need less amount of gas)
Stage 3 is same as stage 2 plus UV light to push the fresh oxygen atoms from the HHO gas into ozon. ( You need even less gas then stage 2)
If anybody has ideas or comments........
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In my opinion, Ozone is the exact opposite of what we ultimately want to achieve. The opposite of Ozone is highly charged(positive) Oxygen atoms or otherwise known as "Nascent", "Ionized", or even "Monoatomic" in some cases. The same goes for Hydrogen, although, there is only one electron to deal with. The higher voltages of 15V and on up can easily ionize both O2 and H2 to their monoatomic state resulting in increased energy output from the combustion of the two gases.
Unstable gases such as these don't stay fully charged for very long. To get the most energy from the process, the nascent gases need to be used almost instantly after the disassociation occurs. It doesn't take very much time before these atoms become stable again to form O2, O3, H2, and the likes. Atoms don't like to be unstable and will do almost anything to get back to a stable state. -
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great from your post, i thought about this.
http://open-source-energy.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=825
then later version of wfc,it is very small.cause that way.ionize+laser to ambient air.
maybe need hho only 4.8 lpm for run 100km/h.
thanks
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Well, after watching this video, I think I need to re-examine my thoughts... What do you think about this video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foIWltOShO0&feature=r-vrec -
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Well, after watching this video, I think I need to re-examine my thoughts... What do you think about this video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foIWltOShO0&feature=r-vrec
Mindblowing......
Thats a smart man....
It seems that we still do not know everything about electrolysis systems.
The test with the plastic cards prove the alpha particles!
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#10 · date not recorded
great from your post, i thought about this.
http://open-source-energy.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=825
then later version of wfc,it is very small.cause that way.ionize+laser to ambient air.
maybe need hho only 4.8 lpm for run 100km/h.
thanks
geenee
10cc is what this fellow researcher needed...
Further, the story is similar. Warm water, ionized water with salt, a pulsed DC voltage at almost 80 volts and 68 amps.
The result is a highly energized HHO gas with steam. Those two components do well in engines...
Steve
EP0405919A1.pdf
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You got to read this....
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The question is how much we want or need to ionize the hydrogen atom.
Accoording to theory,14 volts is the minimum. 20 volts is getting the electron of the hydrogen atom to some higher levels, like n4.
This is the Schrödingers theory.
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Absorption of ultra-violet radiation
Because bonds between atoms in molecules have varying strengths, it takes different amounts of energy to break them down. The bond between the two oxygen atoms in an oxygen molecule (O2) is really strong and can only be broken down if the molecule absorbs very high energy UV-C radiation. The bonds between the oxygen atoms in ozone are a bit weaker and can be broken down by absorption of slightly less energetic UV-B radiation. Absorption of this highly energetic, short wavelength, radiation by O2 and O3 in the upper atmosphere prevents it reaching the troposphere and destroying O2 and O3 there. Less energetic radiation (with longer wavelengths) reaches the surface of the Earth. -
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http://www.spartanwatertreatment.com/UV-ozone-destruction.html
I like that link... if you havent been to my old yahoo group -Hydroxy Boost- which is now - water4gas- long story but i gave hydroxy boost away and then Earl changed its name to water4gas... but any way i think you would find alot of interesting files and links posted by me (burnhydroxy) on there.. or ill go and see if there is anything saved there that mite perk ur interests as well
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http://www.spartanwatertreatment.com/UV-ozone-destruction.html
I like that link... if you havent been to my old yahoo group -Hydroxy Boost- which is now - water4gas- long story but i gave hydroxy boost away and then Earl changed its name to water4gas... but any way i think you would find alot of interesting files and links posted by me (burnhydroxy) on there.. or ill go and see if there is anything saved there that mite perk ur interests as well
Hi Newguy,
It seems that you know your way at the water4gas site....
I might suggest you copy the interesting parts to here, somewhere.
I really appreciate your interest in this topic. There is much to gain in this subject.
More then most people think, from my point of view....
Steve
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Dear members,
Please answer my question:
Is the burnrate of hydrogen a constant?
Is the speed quicker if hydrogen is in a higher energy state or is it the same as in lower energy states?
Is the burnrate of ortho hydrogen the same as from para hydrogen?
If anybody has a hint, please please answer.
Steve
http://www.thch.uni-bonn.de/pctc/bargon/PHIP/parahydrogen.html
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#18 ·
Ok, i did some things wrong in my previous statements.
The amount of EV to bring the hydrogen atom into full ionization state is 13,6V.
This is the state that the electron leaves the last orbit of the proton.
This is the most energetic state of the hydrogen ion.
The trick is to keep it at that level. I think here comes in the electron extraction idea of Meyer.
Steve
ps.
This works with water with no additives, like KOH or whatever you use...
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Now the oxygen atom....
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#20 ·
see topic:
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?topic=642.0
stumbled upon this from this site.
"I will deal with your questions one at a time.
1) Oxygen ionizes in the presence of an energy discharge such as a
UltraViolet lamp. Do the ionized oxygen atoms remain ionized as long
as they are in the presence of the energy field?
Once the oxygen atoms are ionized, they enter into a series of very rapid
reactions, including recombinations with electrons to become neutral
species again. They do not "remain ionized" much at all. But there is a
continuing pool of ionized oxygen atoms because new ones are being formed
all the time.
A side issue: you cannot form oxygen ions with a UV lamp. The quartz
windows of the lamp will only transmit light of wavelength 160 nm or more;
oxygen will only ionize efficiently in UV light of wavelength 130 nm or
less. The oxygen reaction that you can drive with a UV lamp involves
neutral atomic oxygen, which can be generated by photodissociation with
light of 210 nm or less. The easier and more usual way to generate oxygen
ions is in an electrical discharge.
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2) How soon after being ionized do the oxygen atoms reform into Ozone?
Much less than one second. But the reaction that forms ozone does not
involve oxygen ions; ozone is formed by
O + O2 + inert third molecule ---> O3 + third molecule
Atomic oxygen (O) is readily formed from oxygen ions; molecular oxygen (O2)
is abundantly present in air anyway.
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3) If an ionized oxygen atom has a -2 charge, how can these atoms
bond into Ozone when they should be magnetically repulsed by one
another?
Ionized oxygen, as formed in an electrical discharge or by very low
wavelength UV light has a +1 charge. The most readily formed ion is
molecular oxygen missing one electron: O2+ . Atomic oxygen missing one
electron, O+ , also enters into the reaction system, but it is a much
higher energy species. Because of the electrostatic repulsion (not
magnetic) between ions with like charge, the chemical reactions in the
system do not involve two ions reacting together; it is always one ion with
a neutral species.
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4) Is there some way to speed up the decomposition of Ozone?
There are many ways to speed up the decomposition of ozone. Ozone (O3) is a
high energy form of oxygen, so it is quite ready to revert to the lower
energy, more stable form of molecular oxygen (O2). There are many ways of
achieving the transformation. Atomic chlorine or bromine -- from molecular
chlorine or bromine and visible light -- are particularly effective as gas
phase catalysts, as is nitric oxide. Nearly all organic substances are
directly oxidized by ozone. Rubber perishes very rapidly into a powdery
heap, for example. Reducing solutions -- ferrous sulfate or potassium
iodide -- will effectively remove ozone from a gas bubbled through them.
"
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http://www.knowledgedoor.com/2/elements_handbook/ionization_energies_part_3.html
Hydrogen I (1) 13.598433 eV
Oxygen
I (1)
13.61805 eV
II (2)
35.1211 eV
III (3)
54.9355 eV
IV (4)
77.41353 eV
V (5)
113.8990 eV
VI (6)
138.1197 eV
VII (7)
739.29 eV
VIII (
871.4101 eV
Ionizing oxygen needs 871 eV?
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Hello Steve
this are the energies for each electron. 871 is only the innermost electron...
Here at the physics department they got a linear accelerator and they mess up with oxygen charge to get it accelerated to 9Mev
They initially give two electrons to the oxygens so the get an initial charge, than they accelerate it to a certain degree where than the oxygen is ionized again but at this time taking out 6 electrons i guess, than it is further accelerated... if i remember well.
A potential difference of 2000v should be able to ionize providing the mean free path is big and you get some free electrons to start with.. this mean a hot filament and some vacuum.
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Actually sub-sequential ionization is possible if the relation between electric field and mean free path is right. This mean that most the molecules in the volume will get ionized at once by a cascading event... however if this happens it should appear to the source as a short circuit, since ionized atoms will hit the cathode and extract electrons from it.
A forum member use to tell this theory in the past, without knowing this high current problem... since he never came across it.
If you think about this is where a choke is needed in home laser devices, to impede shorting the source... since the coil will fight changes in current.
with water should be the same?
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http://cas.sdss.org/dr6/en/proj/advanced/spectraltypes/energylevels.asp#graph
amp*volt/sec = watt/sec = joule
Calculate the photon energy of light (in J) with a wavelength of 254 nm
E=hf is the photon energy. We can sub in v/w for f and h is plancks constant which is 6.63x10^-34
E = h(v/w) = 6.63x10^-34 x ((3x10^8)/254x10^-9)
= 7.83x10^-19J
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#25 ·
great stuff guys!
Has anyone ever looked into tunnel ionization? it seems that its not restricted by classical physics.