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We know he used an ec52 core for the chokes for the variable spacing plate cell, i will pick up one or two of these eventually, but this will be a core we know will work

in my projects section all the patents are listed in order of filing with the date shown

On April 10th I will be done of university exams for the semester, and have all summer to work on the water fuel cell technology. I would be interested in trying Warps setup. I am in Canada however.

I agree there is a stall point, and a number of issues with the situation in general.

Is anyone interested in revolutionizing this place? There is a lot of talent, with a little organization this forum could be much better.

Ok

Hey bubs, ant results on your coil yet?
I just finished mine,
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I am glad to see some renewed interest in the kind of experiments that should lead to real results. We know exactly how this coil was wound, and we can advance step by step from these results.

Are you actually using an ec52 core? I can't find any unless I want to buy a $75 minimum order, so i'l be using cores out of CRT monitor flybacks.

Nice work, I'll be building this coil after exams.

If my memory is correct, I think Dynodon said there was paper or cardboard from a cereal box as insulation between each layer. This might be a useful consideration depending on how the voltage performs.

When I catch up with you we can start comparing results.

Kevin has done more than you Dankie.

Voted.

I think Stan was well aware of Tesla, Stan's video "It Runs On Water" talks about Tesla and other Inventors. Why would Stan mention them in his video if he didn't study them?


Also, normal circuit analysis will not work on Tesla coils. The voltage output of a Tesla coil is not modeled mathematically with conventional analysis. To do it properly to have to use Maxwell's (Original) equations. This leads me to think that the VIC can also not be modeled properly with conventional analysis, and would require a rigorous approaching using the Original Maxwell equations, the Resonant Charging Chokes are not simple inductors, just like a tesla coil is not a simple step up transformer.


In the Independent report Stan points back to Maxwell's equations when talking about the relation to the Thermodynamics, back then Maxwell used the concept of aether, which is now called the Vacuum, or in Stan's own terms, Universal Energy...


It you want to look at What tesla was doing, I think he was trying to pull energy out of the earth, and not so much the aether, (maybe he was in other systems, but the wardencliff system was about the earth, I think) The earth's magnetic and electric fields oscillate naturally at 7.83 Hz, By building tuned coils to resonant with the earths natural frequency then you can use the energy in the earths magnetic and electric fields just like any other magnetic or electric field in any other conventional circuit....

hey Knovos, how about we get in touch with outlaw, and start working on it, I think his is finished, i'll start another topic for it where we can post documents and pictures.

hey sebostato, do you have a link or schematic for it, or picture of your completed circuit? what software did you use to run it? I'll be on linux for the next few months then back to mac.

anybody want to work on the audio modulated plasma speaker?

Hello Everyone,


I am wondering if any of you may be interested in working on a few non-hydrogen projects... that have to do with electronics and voltage, and pulsing, and things like that, that would have related skills and knowledge...


Some projects I think are interesting, that maybe we could get a few people working on together, are...


1. Audio Modulated Plasma Speaker (Or Audio Modulated Tesla Coil...)
... with a few people gathering research and discussing designs, collaborating, we could figure out all the details, and get them going.
... the idea is basically to plug this circuit into an audio jack, in place of speakers, and then the hv spark/plasma is modulated to produce sound, making the coolest music system ever
... there are lots of videos on youtube of this, one with a flyback transformer is here...






2. Bob Beck Blood Electrifier
... I mentioned this before, I think outlaw built one, I attempted before but did not complete
... I am still interested in this, for the possible health benefits, although my opinion is i'd have to try it to see... and i think it's worth a try...
... it's basically a 4 Hz alternating square wave of +- 27 volts (i think) with a pot to determine current level to the skin, so it shouldn't be hard once we dive into it...






3. Homemade CRT Oscilloscope 
... lots of videos of this on youtube, use an old computer monitor or tv and put your test electrical signal into the y deflection coils, and have a circuit that sweeps the x deflection coils from left to right then back to the left (saw tooth wave)
... this could be used for ... learning ... and also a crude way to display signals when you lack a real scope... or for fun by putting music/audio signals into it...






4. Sound Card Oscilloscope
... this requires a voltage division and protection circuit so you can send the test electrical signal into the sound card of a PC and then use free software to display and analyze the signal




I'd like to build some or all of these things, and maybe other projects too, If any of you are interested in collaborating on any of these, or even other ideas, then we can start. These are just a few coming to mind at the moment.


By the time we are done we will have compiled a base of research, and gone through the components and function, and come up with a successful diy project record that others can follow after us.


It would be great to have 3-4 people all working on and building the same project, and with something non-hydrogen related like these, the chance of success is pretty much 100%, so the time and money will be worth it, even tho the project isn't going to save the world.

I'm studying quantum physics now, I don't really have the time to dive into all the equations and try and apply this to water right now, but i have some thoughts i want to explore


the other day i read the atomic energy balance of water (AEBW) again, and comparing this to quantum physics (QP), it looks like we are only touching on a very simplified presentation of an extremely complex interaction


the difference between the AEBW and QP is that Stan talks about the newtonian force interactions of the atoms which absolutely demand and introduction of energy (universal energy he calls it) to maintain their orbits and motion and not collapse in a billionth of a second as they should, while QP avoids the whole problem by just "saying" that "atoms reach a stable orbit" and they never address the force issue, because they "assume" a stable energy, newtonian mechanics is all about forces, and quantum mechanics is all about energies, but if you consider the forces then quantum mechanics has holes in it ... the holes being what backs up these "assumptions" of "stable orbits" ... which is the whole idea of universal energy, listen to the end of the colorado video, stans says "those FORCE FACTORS are THERE" and they *are*, QP ignores them


if you do the math on a hydrogen atom for an electron and proton electrical attraction force it is about (hold on, checking math) newtons so QP doesn't even talk about this HUGE electrical attraction force.... they just say it's a stable orbit and requires no energy to resist the force


remember if the electron moves in a circular orbit then it has an acceleration, and if it has an acceleration then it has a force


then when you think about the electrical polarization process, the idea is to "deflect the electron" as stan says in the NZ or Col video, when we apply a voltage we are decelerating the electron for half of it's orbit and accelerating it for the other half (think of running in a circle in a super strong wind, you speed up when running with the wind, slow down when running into the wind), and when you change the velocity you change the momentum, and the shape of the orbit, and all you have to do is make it deflect enough so that it becomes out of equilibrium, and since everything tries to find equilibrium, some of the water molecules will find equilibrium by separating into hydrogen and oxygen


this already happens with water without exposing it to an electric field, it's called the auto-ionization of water, or the auto-dissociation of water, and there is an equilibrium balance of water molecules and ions all the time, the cause of this is that when the water molecules move around and interact with each other, there is always a portion of water molecules with their electrons at just the right positions in their orbits so that when they get to another water molecule with their electrons in just the right positions the forces between them break the bonds in those water molecules and after time they are trading hydrogen atoms, but at any instant there is always a certain number of water molecules broken all by themselves,  all we are doing is making the equilibrium shift, and allowing the hydrogen and oxygen to come out of the water, instead of becoming re-absorbed


anyway, there is a lot to think about and a lot to piece together to make an understanding that makes sense and works, and will become useful to us


Bubz, thats interesting info, send more if you have it!
AncientMist, keep it coming too!

One thing we haven't touched on yet is the "voltage multiplication on switch off" that the 6-1 coil sections provide, on switch off you have a collapsing magnetic field, but also the collapsing (or building?) electric field, it's like discharging the coil-capacitor into it's self, 14 times in a row, and the effect is not to have a huge current flow, but to have a huge voltage force while the electrons are restricted


i think of it as, if the electrons are trying to move, but they are being jammed between the discharging/charging coil/capacitor then they can't move, so the voltage potential energy for them to move sky rockets, and all this is attached at one end to the plate 



another point, is that the 6-1 vic has 14 coil sections, so does the alternator, (or maybe it has 12 depending on the stator, for each phase). this is just a comparison of the 6-1 VIC and the RVIC on how this "voltage multiplication on switch off" would exists in both systems, even though they look and are shaped different, the same electrical effect is working in both

well you want the hydrogen and oxygen to be pulled apart, but soon after they do, they will try and stabilize as H2 and O2, which is electrically neutral, then again we don't have a lot of details on the amp surge or voltage drop he is talking about, so maybe to get a better understanding of it, we would have to wait until we run into the problem experimentally

then you could consider gating, and what effect this has on limiting the amp surge

as far as i understand the sync pule and the normal vic create the same waveform, the sync pluse came later, maybe as another design configuration for improved performance, but they try to do the same thing, the chokes are wound 1:1, so what ever voltage signal comes out of the secondary and goes into the positive choke, will be mirrored exactly, 1:1, into the negative choke, so it doesn't matter that the negative choke is grounded, while the positive choke is connected to the top of the secondary

if you look at the sync pulse as a next-step advancement over the normal vic, then you'll see that the ground connection is even further back from the cell than before, with more wire in the way, making it harder to leak electrons, and to further restrict electrons as voltage is taken to higher and higher levels, also the vic structure is mirrored even more on the positive and negative side, to emphasize this balance, and make everything as balanced as possible, because now you are not only using the 1:1 chokes, but also the secondary is 1:1 on each side of the center-tap, and remember that the chokes are just part of the secondary, he says the the circuit requires a secondary that may be composed of resonant charging choke segments that vary from zero to 2000 volts or more, and this refers to a few things, including the fact that the voltage ratio comes form the turns ratio, and the increase in turns increases both voltage output and impedance and amp restriction, which results in higher hydrogen gas yield, all keeping in mind that the chokes are building with distributed capacitance and inductance so that when you make then bigger you don't just add more inductance

also remember that as the years went on he reveled more and more about the "process"... while the "systems" just advanced to higher and higher efficiency and performance, it's all the same "process", the goal of every system is the same, the differences in the systems show the advancements, so when he talks about a feature in a new system... it could still be important in the old systems too... he just wasn't telling anyone about the VIC for the first 10 years at all.

If the water does get consumed, like in the Hydrogen Fracturing Process, then this releases more energy than 2.5x gasoline.... Stan says the HFP gives 2,500,000 barrels of oil worth of energy for 1 gallon of water, this is if you completely destroy it to release the mas energy.

With the HFP you would power the WHOLE WORLD with 34 gallons of water a day (being destroyed... approx)

48 uL per power stroke... lets round to 50 uL

1/4 cycles are power stokes

say 2000 rpm? ... then ...

500 power strokes per minutes

50 uL * 500 power strokes /min = 25,000 uL/minute

= 25 mL/minute, or you could say

40 minutes per liter...

thats the basic idea, change the numbers to match your rpm and engine (2 stroke or 4 stroke)

The above number, 50 uL per injection cycle, is based on the hydrogen content of water being 2.5x gasoline, you can see this calcuation done out in full in the independent report, it's not a magic calculation that has anything to do with the WFC tech, so it's the same as saying a diesel engine uses 20 uL per injection cycle of Diesel fuel... which would vary depending on your engine