Is this what SM was doing?
Started by unknown · · 30 posts · last reply 29 January 2010
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I tripped over this page tonight
http://www.hho-generator.de/en/hho-power-supply.htm
I'd like to build an electrical crossover switching circuit to add to my mess.
any ideas and help would be welcomed < even a light push in the right direction, I am a quick study..
see image from the pageattachment_5453 hho-cell-power-supply.jpg
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#2 ·
nothing to do with SM at all. You want to learn about him, read his patents and tech brief, watch his lectures, and think -
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I did an post on what I thing Stan did . My opinion is that his designs were still in the works . Reading all this again I find it less and less conclusive as to how the charge exchange occured with the Steel . I think he was visualising and explaining his theories and ideas . It certainly follows a straight arrow logic .
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8665.msg224897#msg224897 -
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SM used an electrical crossover switching circuit. Can anyone point me in a direction to build one for my plate experiments? -
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SM used an electrical crossover switching circuit. Can anyone point me in a direction to build one for my plate experiments?
I believe an H bridge firts that definition .
Haithar made the same system . -
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THANKS Dankie, I'm learning about H-bridge circuits as I sit here, maybe Haithar has something workable to share
Are we all to bow to Meyer around here or suffer the condescention? sheezzzz -
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http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5132-1872-elihu-thomson-anyone-got-document-scientific-american-1872-a-2.html
The Meyers question is basicly that of , can an opposing bifilar actually split the molecule . Is this simple concept true at all ?
Forget about scalar , Can it split the molecule ? What is scalar ?
I have theorized on that long and hard , only to witness people telling me it didnt work . What they did wrong taht anybody would probably do wrong I do not know .
I never actually had my VIC . I would wish to identidy how the energy was dissipated and the so called unipolar . It is clear that Kinesis or John never had the skills to test it , they should have sent it to me . Kinesis basicly couldnt even pulse it right ,.
In fact , that thief John Bostik stole my Dynodon wire from me . -
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charged molecules bouncing between plates
caused by pulsed dc
my observations always have shown a momentary good blush of gas following plate polarity reversal and return to power..
I just want to do it faster and controllable, and see, see, that's what we do, we build and see
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I tend to see similarities in this circuit to the steam resonator where he uses exactly that kind of switching circuit. Could be again the vibration stuff, I am not sure. -
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THANKS Dankie, I'm learning about H-bridge circuits as I sit here, maybe Haithar has something workable to share
No sorry, it didn't work. Maybe the setup wasn't as perfect as it should have been, but the water wasn't changing. I was working with pure voltage only, no current except for the displacement currents and losses. You can read it on my member subforum.
Are we all to bow to Meyer around here or suffer the condescention? sheezzzz
My setup didn't have anything to do with a H bridge though and i can't think of a possible setup to make use of a H bridge.
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#11 ·
I tripped over this page tonight
http://www.hho-generator.de/en/hho-power-supply.htm
I'd like to build an electrical crossover switching circuit to add to my mess.
any ideas and help would be welcomed < even a light push in the right direction, I am a quick study..
see image from the page
Hi KB,
What would be the theory about changing powersupply's in this case?
My 2 cents on what i see, is that the flow of electrons is still the same thru the water.....
Steve
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#12 ·
Steve,
nothing concrete, I wanted to investigate a hunch or at least prove to myself what happens when the polarity at the plates changes.
Even four solidstate relay pucks from ebay cheap would show me somehting that perhaps I hadn't seen before.
I wonder how hard I could push it.. slow fire, rapid, timed? maybe a pause between the crossover action, who knows?
the idea of the whole thing acting as a positive charge collector (water and arcylic) with electrode pulses of the same polarity hitting opposite plates is interesting as well... maybe there is a push or repellent effect at that point causing stress at the molecular level, that would change things up a bit from the standard pulse routine -
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Steve,
nothing concrete, I wanted to investigate a hunch or at least prove to myself what happens when the polarity at the plates changes.
Even four solidstate relay pucks from ebay cheap would show me somehting that perhaps I hadn't seen before.
I wonder how hard I could push it.. slow fire, rapid, timed? maybe a pause between the crossover action, who knows?
the idea of the whole thing acting as a positive charge collector (water and arcylic) with electrode pulses of the same polarity hitting opposite plates is interesting as well... maybe there is a push or repellent effect at that point causing stress at the molecular level, that would change things up a bit from the standard pulse routine
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what im starting to see is when a positive pulse hits theres a negative polarity building in neg and there is postive in the postive right? well stans alternator version when it swings 180 out the negative side of secondary is still interacting with the negative and is making the negative swing back towards 0.. this change in polarity is a change in the direction of which positive polarity climbs... its interacting with the positive choke too making its polarity fall toward 0 but the positive cant discharge due to the isolation diode so it may be swing toward 0 but the choke still maintains its charge until next pulse.. so i think to make this thing work with a regular transformer u simply might need to replicate this perspective... by hitting the bilf with ac but have the diodes makeing it where the positive choke doesnt release its charge... when they are both swinging toward 0 this allows the electrons to head back towards the negative plate since the negative potential is changing toward 0 ... i can see how this perspective can oscillate the orbital electrons... -
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standing_wave_ratio
The most common case for measuring and examining SWR is when installing and tuning transmitting antennas. When a transmitter is connected to an antenna by a feed line, the impedance of the antenna and feed line must match exactly for maximum energy transfer from the feed line to the antenna to be possible. The impedance of the antenna varies based on many factors including: the antenna's natural resonance at the frequency being transmitted, the antenna's height above the ground, and the size of the conductors used to construct the antenna.[1]
When an antenna and feedline do not have matching impedances, some of the electrical energy cannot be transferred from the feedline to the antenna.[2] Energy not transferred to the antenna is reflected back towards the transmitter.[3] It is the interaction of these reflected waves with forward waves which causes standing wave patterns.[2] Reflected power has three main implications in radio transmitters: Radio Frequency (RF) energy losses increase, distortion on transmitter due to reflected power from load[2] and damage to the transmitter can occur.[4]
Matching the impedance of the antenna to the impedance of the feed line is typically done using an antenna tuner. The tuner can be installed between the transmitter and the feed line, or between the feed line and the antenna. Both installation methods will allow the transmitter to operate at a low SWR, however if the tuner is installed at the transmitter, the feed line between the tuner and the antenna will still operate with a high SWR, causing additional RF energy to be lost through the feedline.
Many amateur radio operators believe any impedance mismatch is a serious matter.[1] However, this is not the case. Assuming the mismatch is within the operating limits of the transmitter, the radio operator needs only be concerned with the power loss in the transmission line. Power loss will increase as the SWR increases, however the increases are often less than many radio amateurs might assume. For example, a dipole antenna tuned to operate at 3.75MHz—the center of the 80 meter amateur radio band—will exhibit an SWR of about 6:1 at the edges of the band. However, if the antenna is fed with 250 feet of RG-8A coax, the loss due to standing waves is only 2.2dB.[2] Feed line loss typically increases with frequency, so VHF and above antennas must be matched closely to the feedline. The same 6:1 mismatch to 250 feet of RG-8A coax would incur 10.8dB of loss at 146MHz.[2] -
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"How to Tune a Standing Wave to a Plate Gap"
by Dankie
Franklin Key in a Jar Press
All Rights Reserved -
Published 2010
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#17 ·
How to not tune into a standing wave .
Is meant for impedance match , no reflection , Puharich says so . -
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to match is simpley to have 2 wires that are the same resistance (length) aka bilfilar... what this does is allow for the potential to increase at a proportional rate in time... so the negative wave and positive wave of potential collide perfectly center of the capacitor gap as voltage increases.. both wave begin at the plate and travel towards each other.. -
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That sounds more like ohms law .
Its a bit more complicated than that im afraid , I have dealt with this type of reflection before with fast rise signals and long wires , it causes noise and distortion and reflected power back to the chip output , it happens when you have long transmission lines and impedance mismatch , the problem is always worst when you are dealing with capacitive loads.
I view the wfc as an antenna , reflection is not something we want , this is not a radar sysem
Remember that Stan knew much about antennas and radar .
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After dynodons plate cell video i'm not even sure if stanley meyer found something interesting at all. Hundreds of watts do not sound like anything extra ordinary or overunity. -
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After dynodons plate cell video i'm not even sure if stanley meyer found something interesting at all. Hundreds of watts do not sound like anything extra ordinary or overunity.
I reviewed xogen's patents , same dam thing as stan .
If they are doing it , then I intend to do it .
Ill let the other people work on steorn and make a nice OU if some plans get posted . Water for fuel is what I know and love the most . -
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After dynodons plate cell video i'm not even sure if stanley meyer found something interesting at all. Hundreds of watts do not sound like anything extra ordinary or overunity.
If the plate cell was as good as it gets, how would you explain the hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of other devices built? Think he had half an idea and decided to build a bunch of random stuff? -
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After dynodons plate cell video i'm not even sure if stanley meyer found something interesting at all. Hundreds of watts do not sound like anything extra ordinary or overunity.
If the plate cell was as good as it gets, how would you explain the hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of other devices built? Think he had half an idea and decided to build a bunch of random stuff?
those computers alone were worth alot . -
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QuoteAfter dynodons plate cell video i'm not even sure if stanley meyer found something interesting at all. Hundreds of watts do not sound like anything extra ordinary or overunity.
i thought stan simpley made the plate cell to demonstrate to the reluctant patent office that his device worked and was different... it didnt need to show how much the process can produce just show he uses voltage and not amps to perform the work of separating the water molecule... i beleive without a doubt that stan was able to power a car on nothin but water and that he could have engineered higher output systems for power plants and what not.. doubt is discouraging and meaningless on a pro active form..
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He was a good old white boy with christian values and a pushing father . He was in the navy and worked with radars and antennas , do you know how uber nerd that is seriously ? Its probably the most OU producing field ...
He and his brother were smart enough to solve anything in the world .
I believe them , nobody is gonna tell me otherwise . There so much to test , so little testing that has been done ... People are noob seriously , I dont trust anybodys opinions for **** , just look @ Kinesis and Farrah seriously , these are the type of ppl whining everywhere . See them work and see how noob they are .
Puharich , Meyers , xogen all have that same dam thing goin on , same dam thing different method .