Donaldwfc

A way to control the voltage by external input, for example, if one of us ever put this thing in a car, it would be nice to be able to vary the voltage with the gas pedal, so you would need an input to your circuit for external control of the input voltage and/or the duty cycle and/or gating... since each can control gas production, depending on the set up. You can't really play with the dials when you are trying to drive. This might be complicated or beyond the scope of this device, but I'm just throwing it out there

If you have a sweeper and pll, then there is no use for a frequency dial, but i guess you would want dials to play with gating, duty, and input voltage from 0-12 volts.

It might be interesting if you could have a memory in it, (like an SD Card) that would log the action of the device for several aspects, like frequencies that resonance was found at, and then use this to find effective sweep ranges.

If you wanted to get extremely fancy, for the sake of throwing out ideas, if you could come across an electronic gas flow gauge and pressure gauge, and have these as inputs to your circuit, then have the readings from these gauges matched up with the voltage/duty/gate/frequency and such, and then logged in your memory stick, for analysis.

A few thoughts for now, there are lots of possibilities, I guess it just depends on how far you want to go

Do you have a rough estimate on the price range of this device? And time-frame of completion?

(graphical display would be cool)

add a series resistor some where? might need a big one though

why every second?
if you are at 2000 rpm then you have an injection every 0.12 seconds

Interesting, however, Stan only ionizes things for the Hydrogen Fracturing Process, so if you are thinking it's actually ammonia fuel coming out out the Hydrogen Fracturing Process then you have to ignore the results he was getting, 44,000 - 108,000 barrels of oil worth of energy per gallon of water, with his actual device in 87-88, and then he talks about 2,500,000 barrels of oil worth of energy per gallon of water, maximum yield.

Not to mention the temperatures he is getting of over 20,000 degrees... that doesn't happen with ammonia, I'm sure.

If you want to test this theory, you are going to have to build a Hydrogen Gas Gun and then run some tests on the chemical composition coming out.

Can you offer any description of the control labels, switches, buttons and stuff that are on this controller for the stacked cavity assembly?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v81/bigbuba/Frequencygenerator.jpg)



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These are the only two pictures I have on the control box...

in the Hydrogen Gas gun, do you know where the primary is? we see two coils at the bottom and one at the top. Any guess on the wire gage?

Don, did the gas processor use the same VIC as the 3" wfc tubes?

Find out how much gasoline is used per injection cycle in a normal engine, and compare the "energy content" ... it should be the same.

Hey Tad, keep checking back to the forums every few weeks or months, I might have some questions for you at some point

If you have too low a pressure your flame will melt your nozzle.
The non-combustible gasses, ie Nitrogen, mixed with the gas, lifts the flame up above the nozzle so it wont melt.
Alumina has a melting point around 3000 degrees F, and the flame can reach 5000 degrees F, or over 20,000 degrees with the Hydrogen Fracturing Process.
Alumina was chosen because of the high melting temperature and that the holes will maintain their size and shape, whereas brass, copper, and so on will erode and widen the hole after some use.
The quenching tube is for safe transportation of the gas, not to act as a nozzle.

Stan says all of this clearly, if you want to understand him, you should listen to him

I disagree.

When you want to pass more gas, you use more quenching circuits, for example, here is Stan's quenching tube, it has 30 quenching circuits and can pass enough gas to run the 1500 cc VW dune buggy engine.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v81/bigbuba/_ICT0050.jpg)

And here is a picture of my quenching circuits, Alumina Tubes

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Watch the New Zealand Video and the Colorado Video, he explains it clearly.

This is simple stuff.

The Quenching Circuit is a 0.015" to 0.025" hole, or smaller, and because of this small passageway and the 19% Ambient Air (mostly Nitrogen) mixed in with the Hydrogen and Oxygen, the Nitrogen simply gets in between the Hydrogen and Oxygen and stops them from burning, they MUST touch each other to burn, and the small passageway simply stops the H from reaching the O because the N gets in the way.

They need to be at least 1/8" and work irregardless of Gas Pressure and Gas Volume.

If you dilute the H and O gas even more, by adding more non-combustible gases, then you can increase the hole size greater than 0.025"

of course it wont work with electrolyte, and electrolysis, this is the forum "Stanley Meyer non electrolysis waterfuel systems"

None of this stuff is posible unless we get the Meyer effect first.Get that figured out first,than the rest of this stuff will fall into place.Other wise were just wasteing time.It won't work without high voltage across the tubes.
Don

not yet, maybe after i get my next project settled

First thing you need is an insulated cell such that the water can not come in contact with any ground, only the pos and neg connections can touch the water.

Second thing you need it a resistive load, like a light bulb, and a *positive* voltage source

Third, you need an alternating pulse circuit that will pulse the cell with a 50% duty cycle, and your *positive* voltage source with the other 50%

Fourth, the Positive tube in your cell is connected to the load and the load to the positive voltage source, this means that your positive tube, in connection with the water, becomes "ground" or an "electron source" to power your light bulb on every alternating pulse

Fifth, you need free electrons in your water bath to be pulled out, or the light bulb wont light up

100% Mass decay into energy would be E=mc^2 from Einstein. Stan supersedes this, as he mentions while teasing Einstein's theory for only being 3 dimensional in the New Zealand video. Mass energy is one thing and Stan's Universal Energy is another. You can find out more by reading the Universal Energy Balance of Water in the Tech Brief.

Quote from: Donaldwfc on October 23, 2011, 03:37:28 am

Everything I said was correct. You have some more learning to do.

Sorry .. in part is correct.. however explain chemically with formula what is your water fuel. If you know for you is simple write that.. My formula is 8N2+6HHO+Hv=4NH3+6N2O.. yours??

It's not a chemical process, it's a physical process. I see you are not working on Stan's tech at all, you are doing something else. I wish you luck with that. I hope my comments here serve as a record to other researchers that they may distinguish between Stan's work and the other theories out there. I correct your statements in reference to Stan's technology only.

Quote from: Donaldwfc on October 23, 2011, 03:42:38 am

Nitrous Oxide is discussed in the Exhaust Reclaimer Technology in the Tech Breif, it can be broken down and completely eliminated. It is not desired, and yet even without eliminating it, it is minimal as a byproduct anyway. Listen to him talk about it in his various lectures.

Sorry but you forget if you think that only hydrogen produced from WFC run an engine 100%.  Nitrous oxide is formed from oxygen of water during the process and is, with ammonia, the other main component for reach right green fuel. Document attached is extracted from scientific analisys.

That doc is not related to Stan's work, you are confusing different systems. Read the exhaust gas reclaimer technology in the Tech Brief, it will tell you how to completely eliminate Nitrous Oxide.

Quote from: Donaldwfc on October 23, 2011, 03:40:19 am

Stan did not use UV light. The reason why he did not use UV light is because it would exceed the work function of the SS and create a photoelectric current inside the Hydrogen Gas Gun. UV light would pluck electrons off of the plates and send them into the gas cavity, which is exactly counter to amp restriction process that is required to ionize the combustible gas atoms.

That isn't UV???

If you list all of Stan's technologies, UV light is not required for any of them. That is talking about recycling water AFTER it's been used. This is not required, it's just another approach instead of letting the water go out the exhaust pipe and then into the atmosphere, and through the cloud/rain cycle. If you use UV light anywhere else in the process you will screw it up by creating a photoelectric current.

5 gallons per hour - so that is 19 liters per hour. 19/60 minutes = 0.3 liters per minute

As said above... just to express the magnitude of this performance in clearer detail...

that is 2.5 gallons of gas per second at 0 psi
that is 150 gallons of gas per minute at 0 psi
that is 568 liters per minute at 0 psi, with a system running on, less than a few hundred watts.



I don't know what your experiments are about, what results you have, or anything about you, I don't know your education or professional background, but if you want to talk about the water fuel cell technology, lets talk about the water fuel cell technology.



You think the gas production was a cover up for the real secret that was ammonia, well ok.

You are trying to say Stan really used ammonia, so here are the flaws in that

Hydrogen and Oxygen leaving a cell will either be H2 and O2, or monatomic H and O, positive ions, missing electrons, whereby they repel all other positive and neutral atoms and molecules and will not bond to anything.

The monatomic H and O positive ions only occur when you use an Electron Extraction Circuit, and remove the covalent electrons, forcing them to be positive ions and maintain their unstable state.

The only time Stan is using the Electron Extraction Circuit is to set up the Hydrogen Fracturing Process

So before you get into that, we know that H2 and O2 are coming out of the cell, and they are stable, no possible way they can bond with N2.

Nitrogen exists in the atmosphere as N2 and it is extremely stable and non-reactive. H2 and O2 are stable and non-reactive. You will not form ammonia, that's just wishful thinking. Nitrogen has 5 electrons in it's outer shel with room for 3, it forms a triple bond with another N making it one of the strongest diatomic bonds.

We know that the introduction of non-combustible gasses, exhaust gasses, including nitrogen, slow down and modulate the burn rate. You can do this to any burn rate and temperature you want "all the way down to leaves and paper" he says.

Guess what. Ammonia would have it's own burn rate, the same as gasoline has a burn rate, and diesel has a burn rate, and propane has a burn rate.

How would burning ammonia (which wont form anyway) give you a modulated burn rate?

Ok so that's busted.

Now, the Hydrogen Fracturing Process, is performed in two ways, to accomplish the same task. This is the only time Stan ionizes anything involving Nitrogen.

First you can ionize the H and O, and keep them unstable monatomic positive ions, that repel everything. Burning this, Stan gets temperatures over 20,000 degrees. Does he mix the ionized H and O with nitrogen in this process? No...

When he takes it to the car, he does not Ionize the H and O. Ever. Doesn't do it.

He ionizes the Air, which is 21% Oxygen and 78% Nitrogen. This O and N is in the form of O2 and N2 in stable state. To bring that to an ionized state, you will either have O2 missing a few electrons, or monatomic O, positive ions, likewise with N2 missing electrons, or monatomic N, positive ions.

But guess what? N2 is largely transparent to IR and visible light, which is what Stan is using in both of the gas processors, Red LEDs. Is there any indication at all that the Ionization of Nitrogen is a focus in these systems? How on earth are we going to get ammonia? Read the tech brief, he shows a diagram of Oxygen being ionized. Not Nitrogen.

Nothing is stopping you from developing the next fabulous ammonia powered car from ionized Nitrogen and Hydrogen from water and air. But you are out on a limb to try and tell people it has anything to do with the WFC technology.