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This is great stuff, I suggest people give it a careful listen.

one thing the wfc has in common with antennas, waveguides, resonant cavities, and transmission lines is they all operate on voltage/electric field without transmitting raw current, more to learn

from what i understand the cell can be considered the "transmission line" ... or basically the item to receive the voltage, same as an antenna in a way.

That patent also shows a capacitor in parallel with a resistor, which is the same thing the cell is when you look at the vic matrix circuit

what as that website you mentioned?

yea i dono too much about it, do you? i'm trying to learn what they are all about because i see some similarities

Reading this guys post again, he says his biggest problem with stan was that he said 'consuming electrons' ... well to me that seems like a pretty insignificant thing to pick on Stan for if you are going to write-off his whole 20 years of work.

I'd say this guy hasn't a clue what he's talking about in any regard, he's probably just reading a few things and then ranting about then trying to spoil real research efforts and discourage the weak minded. I won't bother giving him a second more thought, if he's stuck up on something simple like that he's never going to grasp any of Stan's real methods even if you spent a week trying to explain it to him.

Stan means consumed in a resistive load as opposed to used in an inductive load, because if you use an inductive load then there is the chance of back emf and the electrons re-entering the water bath, it is important that the electron extraction circuit has a resistive load/element for this reason, and the electrons are not technically consumed, this is not what stan means, but their energy is consumed, the energy is dissipated, and they are effectively removed from the system, the water, and the gas, which is the whole point of the process. You want to removed the electrons to destabilize the gas atoms, as well as possibly use this electricity for other reasons, but you have to design for that.


It's simple to see Stan was smarter than this guy.
If Stan says something you don't understand then that is your problem for not understanding it.
You have to learn to ask the right questions.

3.5 inches, nice, Thank you

my advice is to start with the 8xa variable spacing plate cell, this was stans first system in 1980-1982, and all the clues are there in the patents and schematics, if you can't get this working then it will be harder to figure out the more advanced things, knowing what stan did is one thing, but knowing why is much more important, Stan's work was a chronological advancement

read all of stans patents. watch all his videos. study all his pictures


if you want, read everything on this forum too.


experiment, think


repeat

Thanks

i'm going to build one, and it's simpler to build than that motor, just some stainless steel disks and a shaft, and some high speed bearings, and a solid case with intake and exhaust ports. you can make them any size with any number of disks. to make that thing you would need a lot of fancy machining done, those are non-circular combustion chambers and they have to be perfect, which is expensive to make, and takes a lot of time and the proper machines.

they are asking $8900 for it! thats bullshit, it's not worth that, you can buy a "crate engine" with 500+ horsepower for that much, ( a crate engine is a specially build high performance engine that you buy in a crate then just drop it into your awesome car and it's ready to go) i doubt you will ever see these become popular.

i disagree, the tesla turbine would be perfect for the injector.

It has the notable characteristics of no physical mechanical impedance to fluid flow, it works off of boundary layer viscosity, works with either liquid and gas fluids or mixtures, and can handle large changes in acceleration of the drive fluid without damage to the turbine. You could run  water, steam, expanding hho, or any combination thereof through the turbine without damage, and my personal plan is to have the injector mounted in an expansion/combustion chamber that feeds into the turbine, and you can fire the injector cycles at any frequency you want, and the explosions will create rapidly accelerating gasses that are forced into the turbine, and this wont damage it. you can take it right into the hydrogen fracturing process and get an increased energy yield, and the turbine can still take it. what's more than that is you can run it on the injectors plus pure water which will absorb excess heat and power the turbine with steam as well, because it can work on various fluid mixtures without harm you can do what ever you want to it without changing the turbine at all. you can run a generator perfectly, you will need a fancy transmission if you want to run this in a car though, because you will be working with over 30,000 rpm and have to gear that down, but the torque would be insane.

I don't know what you are talking about, maybe you are off your rocker, or maybe you are over my head. But I think you'll get some more concrete clues to what Stan was doing if you pick up a common physics university textbook.

It's obvious that's what Stan did. The Water Fuel Cell is practically built from a combination of example problems in this textbook.

why is it squared?

a lot of the time you don't even need formulas to solve physics problems, you just look at the units.

Energy = [J] Joules
[J] = [N-m]
[N] = [kg-m/s^2]

Energy = [kg-m/s^2][m] = [kg-m^2/s^2] = [kg][m/s]^2
Energy = mass * velocity^2

The velocity of what? Lets take a guess at light? I'm sure it was one of the more significant velocities in the general subject area, apparently the big E had dreams about photons...

I'd say figuring out the formula was the easy part, proving it was light would have been the fun part.

awesome video, I always enjoy these, thanks for posting it

it's not stans patent, and don't tell me what to do

This is what I did when I tested using 2 TV flyback transformers. It didn't make one single hho bouble.

It says you need a material with a dielectric MUCH greater than water, 75 is a pretty high dielectric, but it says they had one around 3500, did you use some ceramic material?

The ratio of dielectrics, 75:3500, is the important factor in putting all the stress on the water.

what do you guys think

it's not Stan,s, but it has a lot of the same stuff going on

also explains why you cant just coat your tubes with a thin layer of insulation as you try to split water with high voltage

and assuming you can get some proper ceramic it would probably be a lot simpler than Stan's, however i don't know how efficient or productive it is.

The crowd that thinks Stan used high amps should read his patents and watch his videos, if that doesn't change their mind, nothing will.

When i said Stan doesn't use a cathode, because it doesn't emit electrons, i meant by purpose. If the system was perfect then zero electrons would be emitted, and therefore it wouldn't be a cathode by the above definition, the fact that there is electron leakage doesn't change the purpose of the system.

No sorry, I was taking the engine out a ford f-150 with my father yesterday at a scrap yard and came across this large old tv, and quickly smashed it open with a hammer and cut the cords with visegrips to take out the circuit board that holds the flyback and another board that had some large heat sinks on it. Didn't have much time to get the rest and didn't want to take the whole thing home. I suggest finding older tvs, the older the higher quality and simpler the parts seem to be, and the bigger, the bigger the flyback transformer. Be careful of high voltages, but I assume after sitting out for several days the stored voltage will bleed off, otherwise be sure to ground the high voltage wire from the flyback that connects to the CRT before getting intimate.