it is clear that amps measure the quantity of electrons passing a given point.. we need to learn more about electrical current induced by perpetuation.. stan says in his videos thatr there is a self pumping action that occurs in the cell and for that reason they will remain clean.. amps are flowing 90 degrees out because the charge is not leaving the tubes (more conductive) with a high ring.. the sharp rise time creates the 90 out of phase because it the potental is shoot toward the end of the tube then leaking into water if potential persist (not terminated)..
the key to the electron extraction circuit is knowing its real job.. it was creates to switch the high potential of negative voltage into light.. another form of energy!.. he did this like sebs say but no coil just the resistance of light and resistors from what i understand he would switch the from igbt positive collector (extraction conductor tube) back to secondary... this speeds up the fracturing of water by maintaining instabliity of the water even on the off stage of voltage pulse.. so he would create power from ions to maintain the imbalance.. this is efficency! you could say you are attacking water with 2 prosses that create 100 percent duty.. the lights also provide and maintain resistance.. the same time gives you the ability to consume electrons which higher the energy of water further then standard water polarization process.. so all in all it may not be a more efficent process from the transformer aspect but its gas energy state results make up for it?
it is a little arrogant but come on dankie hes excited we all can get a lil arrogant sometimes it doesnt mean someone must be set in there place.. who are you to judge ones place and life like you know whats best? thats judgment based apon no obersvations other then whats on this site. one could be called ignorant for state what you state without seeing the total picture. the only progress you know of is what is shared by someone. doesnt mean its the whole picture.... as long as sebos is having fun thats all that matters.. and as long as he dont go loopy if it doesnt work
im not sure what A1 and A2 are tony but i am pretty sure of the objective of this specific digital control means..
from what i can see this is what stan had in his distributor and that is how stan syncs the rate of production to the acceleration needs in a car..
the digital circuit can be a simple manual controlled circuit for experimenting.. it doesnt need a digital circuit that is made to variate production to the means of a system, such as a automobile..
i see it as there is a point of chain reaction like lightning in a cloud.. sure a constant 12 volt source can cross water making one assume that 38 volts is not true as a dielectyric barrier for water.. but that electric field is of low voltage range and will try to covey a distributed capacitance within the whole tube.. i think when potential is delivered in this fashion theres amps because the parallel surface have a lower break down rate... when voltage is applied in a 50 percent duty aka frequency.. you are sending wave sets to the tube and it is not a constan potental being distributed.. this process is based offl based of a high ring type circuit sending a wave format into the capactor rather then pure dc.. that is not a wave guide.. in order for a wave to be seen by water of amplitude yoiu have to be able to send bursts of potential becausde that makes the traveling wave up the tube present to tg water as a electric field.. stans tube has wave sets of 38 volts total for a 1 mm gap to start the reaction of resonance.. imagine a circuit that hits 38 volts on 1mm gap tubes in ms range and is on 50 percent wave cycle
alowing for return to 0 ground state before it releses the catlized event that could occur which would be the breackover voltage where you hydrogen ions falls back toward the oxygen as if the neg oxy was the earth ground and the separated h is the cloud that needs to release energy.. that event would be the break over of the potentials of the 38 volts and it turns in to a dampening effect causing amps to be created in the process as well as heat..
an i dont mean that in all cases its 38volts.. just for a 1mm gap so as gap increases and decreases that will change for example 2mm gap is 76v 3 is 114.. this concours with stans ideas of water being resistive as gap increases. and decreases..
since it is 38 volts for 1mm you are trying to tune into just right under that barly avoiding the cataclysmic event of break over
i think this is a good subject to bring up at the moment.. stan claimed to tune into the dielectric properties of water right? and he says that the dielectric properties are 78.54.. i have searched here and there for deeper meanings in the past but everytime i got caught up in topics like permability.. this time i had a spark in the noggin.. i have been meaning to look up the dielectric properties of ambient air and kept forgetting.. this time i did and i came across this
"Tipler, Paul A. College Physics. Worth, 1987: 467. "This phenomenon, which is called dielectric breakdown, occurs in air at an electric field strength of about Emax = 3 × 10to the 6th power V/m."
this calculates to 3 × (10 to the 6th) (V / m) = 3 000 000 m kg s-3 A-1 in SI terms..
stan says natural waters dielectric properties 78.54 at around 25 degrees C.
in a video stan says that dielectric value is based off ambient airs dielectric and that natural water is 78.54 times more passive then air..
ok so if its 78.5 times more passive that means that it is 3,000,000 / 78.54 = 38197.09702
now thats for a meter of distance.. break it down to mm its 3kv so 78.54 times more conductive then air we have the equation 3000kv/ 78.54= around 38.2 volts..
so you would think your first pulse should be based off that.. how quick can you ring 38 volts.. in the capacitor and from there you should base you freq? i think if we focus hard on this subject we will understand the goal of the circuit better..
heres whats on my mind and where im at with my rotary vic project.. i ran out of wire when i was winding my coils and had to wait for some work to get more wire. yesterday i ordered some double sided copper clad for my diode board, some insulating paper, and some more wire.. i am using 27 gauge and will have 30 winds secondary and 30 winds for each bifilars.. this will give me a total of 90 per cavity.. i have a big alternator like stans and i am hopping that 90 total will not be to much...
john, did u have a hard time getting 47 in the cavity or did you find you still had room? i would rather take the time to reduce the winds now rather then later if i need to...
dankie we are sorry it blows due to the fact we monkey see and monkey do as you so say...what you want us to do lol... arrrg "every one is monkey see monkey do" P.s will somebody please blow money on my magic oscillator and follow me!!! ?? even though i dankie say its wrong lol...
i kinda feel sorry for ya and your thought process.. i bet if you had 5 monkey sees and monkey dos's marching behind you with dankiefied oscillators and somewhere around 1000- 2500 in your back pocket you would be marching to a different tune... all i see now is a fool trying to down a fourm because you didnt get the toy you wanted while shopping with mommy at the grocery store. wahhh wahhh wahh but i want but i want wahh wahh wahh i hate you mommy wahh..
do you need a binky? need someone to wipe your nose? are you groggy from missing your afternoon nap time?
get over it and your self ego.. you think your are so advanced and think you have much knowledge to share rofl.. i can read dankie as can many others.. i do experiment as do many others.. answers are out there and whoever remains faithful and practice what they take in they will understand this stuff enough to make somthin of it in the near future.. we dont need your whining when things dont meet commy dictator dankies standards..
yes danke go ahead say im leaving and laugh it up fellas my magic oscillator and i will find other people to work with and buy my stuff.. we will show you ionization x guys that i dankie am right because i am allways right. rofl
i was just thinking. when stan ionized oxy into higher state this has to make the gas go into a more expanded state appearing as more in volume since if all the gas is potiviely charged and missing the balanceing electrons they have to repel more.. so if they repel more then when they do go to stablize they will have more of a collapse.. thermal energy is produced from the collapse of imbalance right??.
nice find seb.. i now see what you are speaking of... so do u think that stan uses the non combustables as his neutral gas? i need to wrap my mind around this more.. thanks for sharing
can u post the sited document u speak of so i can read it? i understand that there are some perspectives to overunity that deals with linking the expansion of the gas to drive the generation of electric power... one must make the vic work to make the magnetic gas.. if u are saying stan uses the fuel gasses as the magnetic field can u post some documentation explain this.. that perspective i have not come across if thats what your refering to i would like some reference..
little off topic.. stan says that the vic is used to encourage particle oscillation.. particle oscillation means that they themselves are oscillating and i see it as the orbital electrons being the oscillating particle while the denser proton matter is also being effect but are more or less just being stablized during the lighter more mobile electrons oscillation... in order to make a electron move in a orbit this means you not only have to encourage it to go towards the positive but u must also encourage it to go the opposite direction of the positive plate toward the negative... this doesnt mean the negative needs to become positive to pull the oscillating electrons back toward the negative.. it just need to drop in potential back toward the positive direction (0v)... water it self will want to naturally balance and will encourage its own movement in that direction as the neggative pressure drops back toward 0.. and the postive having a fall time as well will weaking its attration force that is pulling on the electron... at the same time the positive choke being isolated from the return of electrons from the secondary can step up each oscillation as it does so the negatives potential in the negative choke due to the bifilar mutiual magnetic attraction will gain and appear as 0.. so lets say it oscillates up to 1000 volts.. then u stop pulsing you then have a high positive plate that isnt oscillating to rip electrons its ionizing them without the need of oscillation until electrons make it back into the positive choke.. like a leaky cap..
seb, are u suggesting the method which stan uses positive charges gasses (electron deficient) to draw current of electrons to gasses from earth ground?? i know stan explains this method in one of his videos..
After dynodons plate cell video i'm not even sure if stanley meyer found something interesting at all. Hundreds of watts do not sound like anything extra ordinary or overunity.
i thought stan simpley made the plate cell to demonstrate to the reluctant patent office that his device worked and was different... it didnt need to show how much the process can produce just show he uses voltage and not amps to perform the work of separating the water molecule... i beleive without a doubt that stan was able to power a car on nothin but water and that he could have engineered higher output systems for power plants and what not.. doubt is discouraging and meaningless on a pro active form..
what im starting to see is when a positive pulse hits theres a negative polarity building in neg and there is postive in the postive right? well stans alternator version when it swings 180 out the negative side of secondary is still interacting with the negative and is making the negative swing back towards 0.. this change in polarity is a change in the direction of which positive polarity climbs... its interacting with the positive choke too making its polarity fall toward 0 but the positive cant discharge due to the isolation diode so it may be swing toward 0 but the choke still maintains its charge until next pulse.. so i think to make this thing work with a regular transformer u simply might need to replicate this perspective... by hitting the bilf with ac but have the diodes makeing it where the positive choke doesnt release its charge... when they are both swinging toward 0 this allows the electrons to head back towards the negative plate since the negative potential is changing toward 0 ... i can see how this perspective can oscillate the orbital electrons...
hows this for somthin new... the config in his set up is one i havent seen before... he has only one lead from hot hooked to 4 way bridge rectifire with only one lead from primary... he takes other end of primary from the common microwave transformer and connect to a excitor.. then the other exciter is connected to secondary through a diode and that same excitor has a connection to neutral.. the neutral that is not being connected to the rectifier i think.. anyways check out the vid by kevin west.. interesting watch
i would say yea he's knowledgeable but has the wrong perspective in life and has coward down or shall i say broke like a horse into the acceptance of working for a living and giving up hope for a better society... he talks highly of him self and what he knows then tells u to fuck off. he downs the main population by saying that they are a bunch of idiots and could never learn how to do anything by his examples of the pen and motor..
was your ramp pulse in the form of neg potential or positive... meaning are u trying to force electrons out of a circuit to appear as a ramp pulse or are you variating positive potiental apearance in a coil whicc is a gate thats not having the force of electrons across it rather the vaccum of electrons through it from the constant positive 12v source that its connected to
you woulds have to have some type of circuit that allows potetial to to be transmited at a regulative level forming ramps pulses.. think what will happen is u have a ramping pulse going from 0-12volts and that ramping pulse has a digitial signal being gated on the other side of the coil ....lets say the digital is pulsing 10 time while the ramp is rising in volt.. this digital being a 50 percent duty... on off time of the digital sig the ramp of potential at a proportional rate to the 10 pulses.. so even though gates off for digital there is still a rise in diplacement in the primary going on...then on the on time it has a chance to form current at a higher amp due to more volt being present in primary.. so its kinda like instead of just maintaining a constant 12 on the battery side of primarys connection when allowing a ramp signal with a gate you are not forceing amps to go from nothin to rapidy jump in primary it eases current into primary in a accerlating manner.. maybe this is a technique for better energy transmission into secondary and chokes?
what i mean is you have a ramped signal allowing positives potential to be seen in the coil from the battery haveing a variable ramp peak from 0- 12 volts with the incorperation of a digital gate.. is that possible to have a regulative means of veriating source voltage while gating a signal have both signals that are being transmitted from opposite sides of primary?