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i wouldnt go as fas as saying you dont need much for a patent.. that patent looks as if its missing alot.. stuff they dont want public right now maybe..

hydro has always said that are cars are the most wastefull in non efficient machine made.. i think i see where he is coming from.. gasoline is nothin more hten carbon and hydrogen as we all know..   i would say the reason why we are so wasteful is no matter what earths air doesnt have enough oxy in it to fully catalize the fuel and burn it completely..thats why we have a catalitic converter to try to burn off the rest..  thats also why they make super chargers and air blowers for performance..

now stans uses a fuel source that gives its own oxy on a even ratio per hydrogens capable of catalizing to neutral after ignition..so no matter what you know you are supplying enough oxygen to complete the burn.. now heres somthing that popped in my head yeasterday.. no one really has spoken about the butterfly gate stan uses on the intake... this butterfly gate i would say is restricting airflow of the ambient air.. createing a more present vacuum in the intake.. since i dont think mass airflow is required like gasolines non oxygen supplying capabilities

well said seb..  i understand your perspective on injection time now..  makes sense...

hmmmm i always figured injection time changes when revolution time changes (rpm) and the changes are made proportionately  with rpm.. having a predetermined variable being horsepower.

seb check my math above once more please.. pretty sure i have it right...   so it is 7.4 ml per cylinder for 50 hp motor amounting to 2.6 liters per hour at 65mph and 2000rpm? and a average hydrocarbon fuel gets around 6.5 liters a hour at 65mph and 2000rpm due to the fact that there is 2.5 more power in water from having a higher quantity of hydrogen per 1:1 by volume.

thought i would share a interesting perspective i found today.. the attached pic is a snapshot right from stans pdf... page 154...

stan states that a 50 hp 1600cc needs 7.4 micro liters to maintain a speed of 65 mph

then he states a 325 hp diesel would require 48.1 to maintain the same average of 65mph...

what i find interesting is that the water amount needed is proportional to hp between the 2 engines (diesel and gasoline)

325 requires 48.1
50 requires 7.4

325/50= 6.5 .... so the diesel is 6.5 times more hp then then buggys gas engine...
7.4 ml x 6.5 times more hp = 48.1

 so lets pretend a motor runs 2000 rpm at 65 mph...  and its a 6 cylinder..  each cylinder receives  1 injection cycle per 2 cycles (revolutions)  one of them is used to push out combusted gases and the other is compressing the gas right berfore ignition...

at 2000rpm requires a simple equation
divide rpm by 2 since only one of the revolutions is used for injection..  and thats your frequency of injection... 

2000 / 2= 1000 ......

 6 cyclinders x 7.4ml = 44.4ml
7.4 every 2 revolution means 2000rpm / 2  = 1000 injection cycles
1000 injection cycles x 6 injection (each cylinder) = 6000 x 7.4ml per cycle = 44,400ml aka .0444 liters @ 2000rpm

.0444 liters per minute x 60 min= 2.664 liters a hour

If there's a will there's a way..
Stan most likely had access to proper machines or manufactures.
Most of stans recent drawings contain tubes so i dont see a need for worry in order to make progress

the only way we will know steve is by making it and trying it out.. them slots may not be that complex.. they may not serve any other purpose other then to let let water continously pass through the center while aiding in gas ejection but also providing more water..

then again stan  could have a plug in the center of the center tube and all water may be just flowing between the gap... them slots are so big i dont see them providing and type of acoustical harmonics.. just a pathway..

thats what the steam resonantors job was.. to instantly heat water... it would keep the water from freezing in the fuel tank

so what do you think tony? you and maybe some engineer buddys might be able to fill in the values of the components in this complete circuit??

Donald

check out figure 5 .. this is Stans methods of driving the primary coil gate.. this circuit is connected to the opposite end of primary (negative/ south)  notice theres a blocking diode there and there is a diode bridging north and south in opposite direction of the one gating to ground

now check out figure 4 this one is the one that the primary's north side connects to..  Stan has it where he can switch the positive side of primary to either a strait connection to positive on the battery or this a variable amplitude control means. this means during pulsing amplitude of positives source can  variate  causing the oscillation of amplitude of primary's positives connection while controls grounds interaction though figure 5 cell drivers negative connection


i wounder if tony being a electrical engineer could maybe throw some values in for the components and see if we can replicate this circuit.. it cant be to hard

these are pages from a international patent of stans from 1992

page one shows the basic layout of the control and driver circuit for a hydrogen gas fuel producing cell.. 


the way i see it is no one will see results until they achieve a circuit such as this one..
what is the variance and speed of change to the dielectric properties of water during the process???
as well as how precise does one need to stay tuned to this never ending variance to achieve increase in production?

FIGURE 1
is a block diagram of an overall control circuit showing the inter relationship of sub- circuits the pulsing core and resonant cavity.

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FIGURE 2
shows a type of digital control means.. the type is determind by the goal.. for example a control means could be for sencing the need for acceleration in a automobile or a control means for controlling a home heating unit..

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FIGURE 3
shows a analog voltage generator

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FIGURE 4
is a voltage amplitude control circuit interconnected with the voltage generator and one side of the primary coil of the pulsing core.

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FIGURE 5
is the cell driver circuit that is connected with the opposite side of the primary coil of the pulsing core.

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FIGURE 6,7,8,9
relate to pulsing control means including

FIGURE 6
gated pulse frequency generator.

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FIGURE  7
a phase lock circuit

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FIGURE 8
resonant scanning circuit

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FIGURE 9
pulse indicator circuit

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FIGURE 10
shows the voltage intensifier circuit

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FIGURE 11
is the gas feedback control circuit

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FIGURE 12
adjustable frequency generator circuit.

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ok this is where i am with whats being sent to to primary on vic..

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there are three parts to the circuit in the pic..i will be explaining how i see them working in sync to produce for the car on demand 

1. the variable freq 12 volt source,, it is variable because this frequency is meant to lock on to injection cycles... the power source peak production is in sync with consumption..  it remains 12 volt constant and only varys in freq to match consumption frequency..

2. this circuit is used to control the amplitude of the source signal.. this is the circuit that is controlled by the gas managment system so when it produces to much it can turn down the source..

3. is a simple digital signal 50 percent cycle that is being controled by pll circuit and is gating the analog signal source. thats the signal that is locking on to resonance..

the last pic is the resulting wave to primary.. it is variable in a 1-12 volt amplitude, it is variable in analog frequency and it is variable in digital gating freq..

hey steve,
what happen to our youtube button for adding vids?




in this video of keven west.. he is using his alternator i think as his power source to  pulse a common microwave transformer on its primary leg.. he does not connect neutral to the rectifier only the hot leg of AC... so i would say this doent need a 4 way bridge it must be what he had at the time.... the microwave transformer is only seeing a positive pulse from  source. i dont know if he is gatting the rotors field of the alternator as well...  anyways  he connects the other leg of primary to the fuel cell... and the other side of the cell is connected to secondarys output.. he is coupling primarys electric connection over the water to secondary...  he has a blocking diode blocking potive charge and keeping it in secondary... he also has the neutral  electricaly connected to the excitor on the same side that secondary is connected...  the core is on a piece of wood and i believe it is isolated from ground

now lets think what this config is achieving ..  seems to show above average production on a 3 inch tube..

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this is what i see as stans 6-1 config...  i see that the primary is wound longitudinal in space relationship of north and south...  i see that with a constant connection to positve battery potential the primary will have a polairzation on the core... this will cause electrons to cluster in a half moon while there are electrons missing on the other half at the displacment of 12 volts of potential...    so on the off time i see in the secondary and choke the same thing happening... this alone does not build potential... i see on the gate on time a front of electrons flowing though to deplete positive zone of primary and continuing to flow until off time... the only time the current makes a difference i think would be that brief moment that primary has a positive and negative polarization and the transition of the postive to a neg from the presence of introdueced electrons through the gate...  now imagining that a front of negative potential is traveling around the entire core length in a distributed manner effecting all cavities proportionately.. now one could have primary flow to where each secondary is sending electrons away from primary or towards... to send them away from the core you are sending current in the same direction of secondarys winding electrons travel in a outward direction in the secondarys winding spiraling away from the core while on off time it begins to pull again for half the circumference due to constant 12v polarization on primary during off time.. kinda seems like you can pump them in this manner

but stan also said that the non combustable gas would create a buffer when being introduced into the line with the fuel gas... the queching circuit involed in the fuel cell version introduces the gas outside the cylinder in the intake... there is no need to have a flame front with that just a system for delivering fuel in a safe way just incase you do have a back fire into the intake...  stan injector version he explains that the voltage being applied in the voltage zone quenches  the reaction of the release of thermal energy until after it exits the voltage field... now for the demo cell with the quenching circuit torch head on it i can see this as a reasonable approach but u see denis klien using a brazing stykle torch head and he say that hydrogen burning is one of the only gasses that dont heat of the torch and is cool to the touch right by they exit port when lit...

i understand that steve.. so lets say we have distilled water in a fuel cell... the two holes  are filled correct since we do have water and not gas..   this means atomicaly the only way for electrons to get through the water is how?

these words in quote are stans words from his own mouth on one of his videos

"waters has 8 electrons in oxygens  L orbit when it is water..   L orbit has a capacity of 8 electrons.. it dont want anymore electron nor does it want to exchange electrons.. which means it opposes the movement of electrons 78.54 greater then air"

when stan says "movement of electron" what does he mean? does he mean the force of moving an electron out of orbit L?... 
"nor does it want to exchange" is another key term defining the resistance hes tuning to..

I have a good news

I learned the other day that atoms have holes that can be filled with electrons every atom have a different configuration.
Oxygen have 2 holes.

When oxygen burn together with h2 the output tend to be h2o because each H fill one of the holes.
If we could charge this oxygen negatively, we would fill this holes. If we was to burn this oxygen with the h2  than water molecule would not reform again. Meyer said that he was avoiding the water to recombine.

this is a quote from seb off of your 102 dry cell thread.. which i been meaning to say very nice steve!


the alignment of water is possible i think when going from very low volts progressivly to higher volt..

think about it this way. when a signal is produced into the tubes... their electric field lets say is 250mv  that little exterior field will deflect what ever electrons that are close enough to be effected.. so lets say that little pulsed field was strong enough to effect the first layer of atoms/ molecules in contact with each tube.. if you impose the slightest difference  without destablizing the water completely which i mean the plucking of the electron right off hand.. even though you didnt pluck any you made them electrons time share rate change by the slightest.. by that i mean the electrons were foced to over shoot there casual orbit.. so if the first layer was able to do that then that means its own personal electrons are intruding  on the neighboring layer..  so all in all its a traveling wave of orbital displament occuring that is progressivley being achieved and cannot just be forced.   

the unipolar pulses allow for this to occur because it creates the step charging effect.. 250mv, 500mv, 1v, 2v, 4v, 8v, 16v , 32v, 64v, 128v, 256v, 512v,  1024v,  2048v,  4096v,  8192v, 16384, 32768v gate for 18 steps to continue again..

waters has 8 electrons in oxys  L orbit when it is water..   L orbit has a capacity of 8 electrons.. it dont want anymore electron nor does it want to exchange electrons.. which means it opposes the movement of electrons 78.54 greater then air

this is what we are tuning into when stans speaks of dielectric properties...

so my question is when amp are present in the circuit are the electrons creating there own holes accross the gap or are the electrons forcing other electrons out of there hole to take there place?

either or approah seems like the invasive manner which seems like it would be the wrong idea..

in stans work it says each pulse train goes from millivolts into hundreds of vole.. there is only 1 spot in stans whole water fuel tech brief were he mentions that..

so what do i think is happening?

i think that stan is hitting water with pulses that do not allow for deflection right of hand for each pulse train.. . when i say deflect i mean liberate a electron from its whole just to replace with another.... instead you try to add energy to it little by little just ringing that thresh hold.. this mean you will not be contribution to a current within the circuit.. each step pulse is elongating little by little in time by adding energy slowly you are giving a chance for all the waters to get on the same oscillation of elongation...  once thats met i think its considered polarized...