outlawstc

Well seems like the more the water temp is elevated above the boiling point for the pressure in the cylinder at top dead center.. the more force it will induce as it goes from solid to gas vapor form.. just sounds like a steam engine

nope just simply for personal use..
personal prototypes and what not

ok gotcha..
I understand the process for the most part don.. I just don't know the allowed variance to its ability to function.. Like does it work if the gating is within 200 hz of the correct frequency.. From what your saying its gotta be dead on.. 

The only way i can think of to tune to this particle resonance is to tune to the highest rate of production for a given steady input ...


so lets say you have your transformer running correctly and it is time to tune it..

You would need to set the transformer to a constant output level
You would also need to have a way to expel gasses from the resonant cavity while measuring the amount of gasses being expelled and also have a pressure meter to measure pressure level..


You will find your self in a situation like this..
At a set production rate you should be able to build up to lets say 25psi then crack the valve to release some pressure..  You want to regulate the gas being released to "match" the amount being produced..You can find the constant rate of production by getting the pressure and flow rate meters to read a constant (stabilize)..
When this is achieved Then you begin adjusting the vic gating.. If production rate rises then pressure will rise on the gauge as well as flow rate.. if production drops then pressure will drop.. 

What do you think don does it sound reasonable to try to seek a mechanical type resonance by measuring the production rate and tuning the gating to the point which shows the most gas output rate?   This will only work iF the system can stabilize like i think it can..Where you can reach a constant state of production and relate the change in rate of production to the gate tuning..

So don, now the question is what is the science to this manually adjusted frequency that is tuning into particle oscillation...  stan refers to it as matching the wavelength of the gap.. 

We are speaking of particle oscillation, oscillating protons is considered sound waves correct?.  So sound travels around 1497 meters a second (which is its speed of elastic response).. To tune to the speed that it takes for a sound wave to travel across that gap is not in our frequency range.. The only way it is in our frequency range is if we are seeking a acoustical resonance of the cylinder like i stated in the past... Which equates a cell like stans to be around 5-6 khz for acoustics

Have you figured out any of the math don?   

This manual tuning of the particle oscillation remains constant once tuned regardless of water temp and contaminates?

"Also when you hit resonance and subject it to the stimulation of the pulse voltage and then switch it off then the hydrogen will continue to be produced on the power off put stage.. a example being that once you hit resonance you could excite it for 5 seconds and your produning gas for 94 seconds.. you divide 5 into 94 and you are producing hydrogen gas 19 times more one the power off stage then on the power input stage.." ~ Stanley Meyer Switzerland video


Hit resonance = phase locked LC resonance
Stimulation of the pulse voltage=  gated pulse freq

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I have been working on drawing the dimensions for the delrin bobbin assembly..  heres where im at..

i decided to measure a serial port on my computer from mount hole to mount hole center.. its 1 inch..

i printed up a pic that matched the serial port in the photo to 1 inch.. so i guess you could say a decently scaled photo to match the real size?

here are the choke bobbin dimensions i came up with..

from a top view,
depth = the depth of wind cavity in inches
length = length of coil cavity in inches
width= the width of the bobbin (thickness of bobbin)

top view of choke cavity gives these variables
depth = .5"
length = 1.375
width = .625

side view gives these variables
depth= .625
length = 1.375"
width= .375

there is a variance of depth and of width between the two angles of view...

when it comes to using the multi layer coil formula how does one account for the 2 perspectives of  bobbin dimension?

looking at stans vic, it seems that the bobbin core is not square but rather its rectangular.. is there a way to calculate a means between the 2?

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Nice find steve 

What   I am putting together is in the pictures/videos their are no individual   bobbins that share a capacitance effect on each other. Like how the fig   6-1 does.



Suggestions???

the pictures hydrogenmask recently posted are for a resonant cavity..The capacitor being small in size encased in delrin to be isolated from the water bath... this allows full energy output to reflect the water and not leak (waste) any potential from the process..

The u core vic design may not seem to relate to 6-1   100 percent but i would say its similar in the idea of distributed capacitance within the charging chokes.. Instead of like 14 cavities you just have 2 big ones..

6-1 i think uses 430fr stainless for charging chokes not copper..

A noticable difference between 6-1 and the other is the wind count of secondary to choke..
6-1 seems to have more secondary winds then the charging chokes; The u core design seems to have more winds to charging chokes then secondary..

Here is another perspective..  A simple description of a inductors job for charging a capacitor.. Picture a inductor is like a automobile.. different size inductor = different size vehicle (weight).. there similarity is there resistance to the take on of momentum (Change)..

If you have a 200 hp engine in a 4 thousand pound vehicle it will have a maximum speed at which it can take on the power of the motor and transform it into acceleration. You put that same motor into a 8 thousand pound vehicle it will effect the rate at which the car accelerates.. This is what inductance can do in a circuit..

It will change the rate at which charge can enter a capacitor. this simply means that a inductor changes the rate at which a capacitor will charge and discharge.  You change the rate you change the frequency of its resonant action. which is tuning into the charge and discharge characteristic of a circuit..

So we can say that any inductor can technically work with any capacitor. your pulsing sequence is what will change...

On to the next important question.
How was stan choosing the frequency at which to make the circuit resonate at???.. Was it simply the inductor design that made it work or was there something else.

I myself have a strong urge to believe there was also something else..

I feel electric has a stronger force to electrons
While sound has a stronger force to protons

is it possible to incorporate the idea of sound and electric in one process.. 
electrical resonance has to do with the efficiency of energy transfer for the electron
acoustical resonance has to do with the efficiency of energy transfer for the proton

We are dealing with cylinders which do have acoustical characteristic with water..
while it also has electrical characteristics..
the acoustic resonance is a set frequency based on the speed of sound in the water and the dimension of the cylinder
electrical resonance is a variable frequency based on the construction of the inductor to the determined capacitance of the set dimensions and the dielectric properties..

all in all what im saying is this would be a good experiment ...
To build a multi layer inductor to match the acoustic frequency of the cylinder..
By doing this you would think it would allow resonance of the proton by force of voltage and will also be a resonance of electrical..

Well if i were to strip from the cathode and apply to the anode it would be done through the circuit not the water..  and if my circuit is built correctly the energy will be stored in the charging inductor not the water..

I think the secret is in the multilayer coil as ancient mist was speaking about.. with the applications of frequency matching the acoustical properties of the cylinder.

Think of it like this. the fuel cell is not charging to where it is holding a static state of equilibrium.. it is being oscillated and that oscillation during off time will dissipate.. stans charging choke is acting like a capacitor and holding the storage of the charge.

He said he can turn power on for something like 10 seconds and produce gas for 90 somthing seconds on the off time.. To me this sounds like a resonant oscillation that slowly dims (dissipates)

i read through them i think you have read way to far into electrochemical interactions that create current..
 
  you are reading how alloys chemically interact to create a potential.. (a source/battery)
 
  these battery processes are based on chemical reactions of metals with acids or bases
 
  Stan says verbally on videos the the stainless steel is chemically inert to the process..
  chemically inert means NOT chemically reactive.. 
  Stans exciters have a decomposition rate of like .0001 per year.. last up to 10 thousand years..
 
  Stan was not removing electrons in the fuel cell taking them into the circuit but on a minute level..
  so there is no need for the exciter to take on electrons or pump them   out of a solution.. it needs to pluck them and let them recombine then   they exit and pass though a positive field and oxygen's are ionized. This is when electrons enter the circuit..    Only time electrons are being removed are when the water is already   changed into a fuel gas state..
 
  I try to look at the charging action being due to some perpetuating application of force.. (voltage)
  I dont see the water holding a constant charge like a battery
  I see it being dissipated just as water is to boil under a high heat potential..
  but maybe it just might hold a voltage potential while under pressure   conditions.. kinda how water does when being heated under pressure.
 

interesting theory kickback.. here a couple perspective i have..

Stan had to develop (invent)  a voltage intensifier circuit to create a electrical particle generator.. The electrical particle generator uses argon gas that has metal ions  taking place of electrons which were plucked with the vic..
Stan made this argon/ metal ion gas with a voltage intensifier circuit.. This means the vic is a truely profound invention that does things that are not practiced in the art... Things such as creating a magnetic gas argon with metal ions.. As well as his hydrogen fracturing process and the others

The electrical particle generator can play a major role in the efficiency of the water fuel cell system.. It does not have to do with the gas flowing in the core of the electrical particle generator though in my opinion based on my findings.. 

I think stan was using the expansion of the fuel gas production to pump the magnetic gas within the electrical particle generator.. there is no reason we can not use the expansion to pneumatically drive a pump that pumps the magnetic gas...

To make it where you jump start the unit with a voltage source to the point that expansions pumps the gas to drive the circuit (electrical particle generator vic) without the voltage needing to be supplied by a source ( being self sustaining in production) ..


To make a electronic device that's job is to turn a liquid to a gas could be looked at as providing a air pressure source in the process..
air pressure can be used to drive pneumatic devices
I would say there is needed research into how safe is pneumatic devices with a flammable gas driving it.. 

If there is not conflict with sparking or heat that can cause ignition to drive a pneumatic motor then you are following the rules of conservation in a extent not really noticed.. Consider the expansion from liquid to gas as energy being dissipated in the circuit and you have the opportunity to harvest that dissipation (expansion / gas pressure)

To create this type of self sustaining unit you create a device that can harvest fuel gas without external power to make the fuel.. the only thing that would be needed to maintain the process is water.. the water becomes the fuel for keeping the device on..

So you can produce large amount of fuel gas on a self sustaining unit as long as you provide the water.. when or if it runs out of water there is no more gasses being produced to drive the pneumatic motor to drive the magnetic gas so the voltage drops and the device will shut down..

This device will provide a fuel gas (hydrogen and oxygen gasses) at the cost of water for the most part.. It still has to be perpetuated (jump started)

 This is what i would like to see

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bam like a bolt of lightning.. light bulb is lit on top of head...

genius!!! so simple it might just work ewok!

can you explain your approach to the task.. you adding salt slowly to a cell containing distilled water??

ewok i like your idea.. the alternator provides a nice 50 percent duty on it own.. why not use its frequencys to drive resonance! then gate! i wounder if stan was able to vary the rpm continuely to maintain resonance? like the driving motor is speeding up and slowing down determined by a pll circuit that is detecting resonance?

there isnt much of a observation over skype my friend.. im not sure what you have going on over there completely just know ur using some igbt's and pulsing a alternator..  sure it made strange noise but this doesnt mean your on the right path.. yea i heard a noise but i didnt see any gas production.. so dont throw me in like you have accomplished somthing and i can back you up... right now seb you have what we call a hypothesis.. this means
a proposition, or set of propositions, set forth as an explanation for the occurrence of some specified group of phenomena, either asserted merely as a provisional conjecture to guide investigation (working hypothesis)  or accepted as highly probable in the light of established facts. keep observing and with experimentation you may be able to propose a theory..

seb you wanna prove yourself make clear drawings and clearly describe your ideas and dont go around saying you have somthing when you havent even got results yet.. funny noises dont count.