outlawstc

yeah its sad that people are so ignorant to the truth.. whats even more sad is a lot of intellect can fall in this category as well .. sometimes i think ignorance is more of habitual hopelessness.. people that have been conned one to many times follow the saying if it seems to good to be tru then it most likey is..  i think if you could find away to project hope such as a workinging unit and had away to hit a lot of people publicly with it.. concert or somthin.. then you may strike hope and reignite the curiousity to the blind.

i tried and failed.. i can read everything but when i goto try to download or post it wont let me.. i have a account and can sign on too.. but i have allways had a problem on that site.

kevin winds his stator different then the standard alternator wind.. he winds up loops of around 50 and places them in the stator..  alternators are wound wound like a sine wave around the core... instead of winding 50 at one time and putting it in the groove  you make 50 laps around the stator instead..

 to match is simpley to have 2 wires that are the same resistance (length)  aka bilfilar...  what this does is allow for the potential to increase at a proportional rate in time... so the negative wave and positive wave of potential collide perfectly center of the capacitor gap as voltage increases.. both wave begin at the plate and travel towards each other..

Then again, Looking from another angle. If you give the molecule a (Charge) of potential, would that molecule not have a greater bond? (Harder to pull apart.)

i think what stan means by charge isn't to change into a positive or negative potential... i think he means to change the velocity of the electrons.. when electrons move into further orbits they must be accelerated to reach that point of change in space relationship..

i think stans circuit could vary field potential from a net 0 to whatever potential chosen rapidly
..  when its pulsing u get negative and a positive pressure in the gap.. this will create the motion shown above in warps example..if that force were to remain constant  it wouldnt be of much help one would not think since it is not promoting oscillation to elongate..  to promote elongating electrons you must allow the electrons to travel back in the opposite direction..  warps example with 2 shows the ideal common sense perspective on  the atomic lever of action and reaction to voltage..

Imagine, HH0.
            Voltage                           Molecule                                           Voltage
------ (-) Force     <-------Protons---Bond----Electrons--------> Force    (+)++++++++
                                            OPPOSITES ATTRACT
                                                 Alike Repels                           Trying To pull apart (Angle 1) - (Pluck)

the emf that was used to generate this motion created a change in velocity and direction of the charged particles in the cavity.. then we have the off time.. i think during off time the back emf is makeing lets say 1kv fall back toward 0v the back emf if used in the cell will assist in the fall to 0.. if you have -1kv of voltage deflecting electrons what happens if that -1kv were to drop? the electrons would move back towards the voltage zone since the force of deflection is being removed..
and the atoms naturally want to balance back out....  .. if the back emf were to swing past 0 that would mean that the negative excitor would go into a positive potential which yet again seems logical and accepted to help swing electron back in the opposite direction to promote oscillation.
i do not think stan was tuning into waters frequency of orbital electrons i think he was tuning into the dielectric break down point and performing some sorts of energy oscillation

i think one of the most miss conceived views of stans claims is the tuning into water.. when stan or anyone claims such ,people think that there is a magical frequency that they are matching to create the resonance of water.. 
the way i see it is when someone claims that they are tuning into waters resonance this simply means that your tuning to the peak production. with the potential being provided.. it doesnt mean a frequency of the water.. ok so there must be some varable we are tuning into?  that would be the resistance one water which changed the dielectric break down reactance of water..

for example if a tube cell were to have ocean water in it your break down point would be much quicker then natural rain water because of the conductivity differecne... ocean water  would require a higher frequency to prevent dielectric break down from occuring... so if this is true then when stan say in order to variate to higher output of fuel u must turn up voltage..   does that mean when voltage rises you pulsing frequency rises as well?..  this is a acceptable reason for it to be hard to duplicate we are playing with logics that are not locking into resonance.

example.. if your tube cell is reaching break down in 1 second with a 100volts input then at 200 volts it would be a half second to reach breakdown that means the frequency doubled.. could stan of used some sort of doubling circuit that could tune into the resonant freq at lets say 100volts and was capable of doubling frequency as voltage doubles? could this be the sequencng he refers to? 

Thanks for sharing! a definite must have :]

I thought Stan said he used laser energy to keep the electron from collapsing during the pulsing... 
50 percent duty cycle of voltage
50 percent duty of light energy
Both being pulsed at different times but on the same frequency..

The voltage generates a force that excites the electron and when it turns off on off time it would generally collapse.. But since the light is pulsing during that off time of voltage pulse it is the energy force that interacts with the nucleus to maintain the deflection of electron from the nucleus of the atom.. Something to do with absorbing the photons

So Stan would restrict amps from  the fuel cell when voltage is applied to the cavity.
Then Stan would create a current in secondary during the off time.. The source of the current is from the newly formed fuel gas exiting the cavity.. They are taken in my a positive field and passed though l.e.d.s to create photon energy...

interesting chart bubs... sorry to drift off topic a lil but can we say that the cluster size will also effect the absorption rate water has into the body? tap water being less saturating into tissue compared to micro which would be more absorbing.. all in all i think your charts saying contaminates can change the cluster size of a molecule of water?

brian,

Im sorry if you feel as if people are ignoring you and not appreciating your sharing... The way i see it is you brought a new idea/ perspective to the table.. For us not to thoroughly discuss, how are we ever gonna grasp how it can be possible what you say??

As for you saying you throw out hints... why do you just hint why not express yourself fully?

When someone brings something to your forum that may not go with common understanding why do you look at it as if they are not listening? Why don't you reply with the facts you have to show why it could be possible..
why not counter the statements with the facts you have.. instead of looking at it negatively? 


You shared some links i read them and didnt gain the perspective you have... does not mean i wont eventually see it.. things dont just click when you want them to.. 

You say this technology is not what we think it is yet you have not replicated the concept of what we think it is.. You seem to have done lots of reading and are accumulating your ideas of what makes it work..  (when i say seem this means i could be wrong on my perspective so please dont take offense)


instead of looking at these comment you feel are ignoring the fact you bring (in a negative way) look at it as discussion..

I do appreciate your sharing and would like for you to keep sharing whatever you feel..

Electrode Potential... What is it? What could this be?




Carbon, Atomic Number 6, Has 4 electrons orbiting its valence shell.
Zinc, Atomic number 30, Has 2 electrons orbiting its Valence shell.
Nickel Atomic number 28, Has also 2 electrons orbiting its Valence shell.


Basic   Battery Operations, Positive Carbon Pole with a Zinc negative Termial.   Electrons Freely travel due to the Choice of Electrodes.

Within   batterys the electrodes must not be the same. This way with a carbon   Pole having only 4 electrons in its valence shell, and the zinc 2, the   charged electrons in the past wants to travel from the carbon to the   zinc (BECAUSE OF THE CHOICE OF ELECTRODES.)

Zinc, What does it   look like? Take a NONE rechargeable batteries wrapper off, Scrap clean.   That's what Zinc looks like! Excluding 9 volt batteries. Those of you   that knew Herman Anderson. His electrod of choice was Nickel. His   electrode was about 13.5 inches in diameter and Nickel Plated. The other   Electrode is unknown to me.

Meyer, SS Electrode Vs SS electrode. Wast of time. (There is NO "ELECTRODE POTENTIAL" There.)

Google = (Electrode Potential) and Include in your Brain, Electrons in Valence Shells.

Potassium Hydroxide = Electrolyte..

HOWSTUFFWORKS.COM = Battery, (Have A Read On Electrodes.)

Good Day...

nice observation warp,

I can see where your coming from when it comes to the electrodes gaining a potential... The question is do the electrodes need to gain a quantitative representation of potential or do they need a jolting change of statel to step charge water?

All in all what im saying is you can look at voltage as static or as dynamic..
During dynamic states the force is progressively changing at a rate that is determined by amps and resistance.. that resistance is a back pressure to current flow..  how much current is flowing multiplied by the resistive back pressure force = voltage being applied

To find the voltage of a circuit you do V=IR current flow rate times the resistance tells you the voltage within a circuit..   
Higher current flow to any resistance will be higher voltage. if the resistive element cannot handle the higher current it gets hot and expands (takes on energy) to a state of less resistance...
What im trying to get at is voltage can be seen as a static potential where all the valence electrons are removed and is justified to be voltage potential..
Or it can be see as a dynamic force which is  them going into transit. the speed of their transit while working against the back pressure that restricts them...   so the speed at which the valence electrons can be removed from the electrode may justify electromagnetic force that yields a higher potential of voltage due to velocity of transit in a given second..

I feel we are trying to perpetuate higher states of potential in water and i don't think the electrodes need a quantitative static charge to do so..

Stan refers to them as excitors in the tech brief not once did he refer to them as electrodes

It has been a blast Steve. This form has brought much clarity in my 2 years of participation .. Happy Holdays everyone!!..

The gas pedal Don!?? hehe

i image that the back emf is effecting the secondary and negative electrically and as they swing in the opposite direction the positive choke having a charge resists negative choke back emf to go positive.. if it pos choke holds positive potential and the negative chokes bemf is what would be a posotive result then the means the pos and neg choke would then repel each other... that repelling force would cushion bemf i think..

to oscillate orbital electrons you must be able to send the electron in the direction of pos plate and back toward the neg plate... this would be done i think with a balanced swinging of voltage..
during pulse on time electrons get pulled toward the pos.. during off time the pull power is being lessen from pos and the negative is being lessen as well.. them both swinging back towards 0 will allow that tension the atom has from the electrical force to generate its swing the opposite direction...  since when voltage rises and neg push electron and positive pull electron they both work together and alter electrons in that direction.. when bemf off time the negative and postive are shooting back to 0 they will spring back the opposite direction...

while this is happening your pos choke is taking on excess difference (charing) which is appearing as 0 since the negative is matching the opposite due to the magnetic coupling ...  so when pulsing stops it relies on the orbital electrons in water to continue to drive the circuit to discharge not the differences themselves since they are coupling on a core and really dont mind there displacment for the most part???

There is no real way to sense the current and stop the voltage

there is a way and its called resonance.. it when a coil drops in amp and voltage rises in a circuit.... so to know when to stop current you need a circuit that can detect a change in current and adjusts to keep it at it minimal.. wouldnt that be the pll circuit with its winding? on the core? its constantly trying to maintain the high voltage while it fluxuate to the changing of dielectric resistance since during production it cannot remain constant it fluxes due to gasses and change in variables.

A sort of sweet spot between dead short and off.

i think you just defined the resistance were matching in the circuit and the frequency that applies to.. 

that quote made me think thats the 0 were are tuning into..
if a cell arks at 100 volts for example and is considered the break down point then what happens if the circuit is tuned into that as the 0..   what i mean by this is lets say you want 100 volts potential across the cell that goes into dielectric breakdown at 100 volts.. and you know 100 is the breakdown point.. then would it not make sense to oscillate  a potential of 150v peak 50 volt low on a 50 percent duty cycle..  this is how you balance dwell time with off time..

here is a higher voltage example..  lets say 10kv is breakdown point..  and you want 20kv across the cell wouldnt  the circuit need need to goto 20 kv and down to 0 volts? and that same coil if needed to only goto 10 thousand volts in the gap would then need to goto 15kv down to 5 kv in 50 percent cycle?

40kv for 10 kv breakdown properties would oscillate 30kv high negative 10kv low

so what im saying is maybe resonance being established to a dielectric is all about centering your oscillation on the break down point.. so you spend 50 percent current and 50 percent not and you center the difference of potential to it.

higher voltage means you will reach breakdown point quicker across the cell there will be a varable of dwell time  (time current dwells and time it doesnt..) which is the 50 percent duty.. this dwell time is most likely has its sweet spots for different potentials if so then that establishes the resonant frequency for water at different potentials

when pulsing the circuit i think it is possible to tune into that sweet spot and allow current in balance which means no current

i think the recessed cup in the resonant cavity is to help prevent the pump from sucking in gasses.. Stan is circulating his water.. If the return was at the same height as the outputs of the tube cells you will be more likely to suck the fuel gas into your  circulation pump...  If Stan did have a part to remove for disabling functionality it would be something with quick and easy access.. not something you need to take a lot of bolts off to open in my opinion.

I think we need to get deeper into applying what we already know.. I think there are some variances that are not specified in the pictures or schematics..  like the exact core perm.. I don't think anyone has tried multiple transformer cores with a replica of Stan's transformer and his circuitry..   We cant label this tech as missing something until we have applied the different available variances that can be applied with the information we currently have... I think the transformer is the focus at the present time since the transformer is where the high voltage is being generated.. stans circuit does as he explains from what i see..

if im not mistaken john, you said you wound your alternator like kevin west? if so you only have a rewound 3 phase alternator just providing higher voltage whith no amp restriction corret?.. can you give some specks on the wind and wire size?

if this is true then i cant wait to see what happens with a 3 phase wound like what me and donald are working on.  the way i see it when you incorporate the bifilars into the alternator is you end up with a alternator that gets 3 times the aid each loop since you get the aid of neg choke, pos choke and secondary in each cavity per phase since electrons are all traveling in the same direction due to them being wound where current all goes one way and you will also a capacitance effect occuring in the stators bifilars..  this will allow the charge to capacitiate in the wires and give it a form of resistance stronger then a capacitor when it goes to discharge since the opposite charges do not have a gap separating them from discharge (they are in wires right next to each other giving them a stronger electromagnetic couple then a cap provides)and i also think that stan may of had an exterior choke hooked to the altenator to increase resistance and up voltage even higher.. not sure on that but will experiment soon..

check out kevin west video where he hooks his hv alternator to a microwave cap and to a tube cell,,  hes getting big buble output from it..  i think if kevin has a microwave core that had bifilars of same length instead of using thr primar on one side of the cell and the secondary on the other he would see even more production..

goto 6:20 seconds to watch the single tubes output
http://www.youtube.com/user/waterforfuel#p/u/10/yk5TDyJTKGQ

Thanks for sharing Dave!