Gated Frequency Generator
Started by unknown · · 51 posts · last reply 27 March 2011
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I have a question to ask everyone.
What is the main purpose of the Gated Pulse Frequency Generator?
To help you figure it out,ask yourself,
Why is it manually adustable?
I figured this out over a year ago,and I have yet to see anyone mention this.If someone can come up with the answer I'm looking for,I will give you the schematic for that system.
Why am I not just giving it to you?
Becacause you all need to do the research yourself,thats the only way you'll learn.
I'll let you know when someone gets it right.
Don -
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In my point of view it serves to select the number of pulses needed to achieve the water resonance, and tune to allow the water to reset after the repetitive pulse operation.
I believe that the gas is only generated when you gate the train of impulses cause when you do so the atoms will rearrange and get neutrally charged and get out as gas.
It has the frequency variable cause you may want to tune to get the maximum production. Than you can use it as a limit. It is also it is related to safety cause whenever the pressure exceed the value stabilized, the gate will turn off ...
Yet another thing is the electron extraction, witch would work also during gated operatio.
sebs -
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It controls the number of the pulses produced by the resonant frequency generator sent to the primary. In addition, the gated pulse frequency generator may be operatively interconnected with a sensor that monitors the rate of gas production from the cell and controls the number of pulses from the resonant frequency generator sent to the cell in a gated frequency in a correspondence with the rate of gas production. So basically it controls the rate at which gas is produced and the formation of the pulse train.
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The gating should have been done to give the water a change to get back into the wfc.
All the water is supposed to be gone into hho with the pulsetrain.
Water back in wfc, means the capacitor is restored.
This accoording to Meyer.
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Steve, in my opinion your have the right answer. The H2O is converted to HHO so the capacitor (dielectric properties are altered).
When this happens the voltage drops at the plates (less charge)
The gate operation lets the capacitor restore it's charge capacity.
What I have seen in my first test is that the voltage is max when GATE duty and frequency was adjusted for max potential development (step-charge).
The PULSE frequency is the frequency on the chokes (coils) and wfc when max. amp restriction is occurring.
The gate reduces also current going into the primary coil.
But hey, it's my guess. We must still experiment further on the real thing.
br,
Webmug
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Not sure if I've ever read anything on this in Stan's patents, but the gate also can be used to set the pulse train to allow the pulses to go to the cell as to charge the cell based on the RC Time Constant (TC) of the capacitance. For example a coil with the resistance of 10k ohms in series with a capacitor of 1uF, the TC = RC = 10k * 1uF = 10 msec for 1TC. 1TC will charge the capacitor to 63% and it takes 5 TC to fully charge the capacitor to X volts. So therefore the pulse train should be 50msec long, which is a frequency of 20hz @ 50% duty cycle. Just thought I would through this out there. Stan shows this is his patents but never really says this. Hints Step-Charging!!! You vary the duty cycle of the Gated Pulse to allow the number of resonant pulses to charge the capacitor or cell. In my example you would have to vary the duty cycle of gated pulse to around 80% to fully charge the capacitor.
(http://www.globalkast.com/images/tonywoodside/TC.JPG) -
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Well it's good that I've got people looking at this.
So far there is one post that just touched on it,but didn't follow through with what they said.I don't think they realized what they said.I won't say who it was,just to keep this topic going and keep everyone thinking.
It is a very simple reason,and you will all be surprised that you didn't catch it sooner.It is mentioned in the papers of Stans in several places,but you just tend to read over it,because you think he's talking about something else.Everyone thinks this way.
Alot of what you have said is true on how the circuit works,but have not touched on the reason for the gating frequency.Some of your reason aren't right,it really is simple what it does.
So keep the ideas coming,this is good.
Don -
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hmmm, a riddle......
The Eec is many times mentioned in comby with hho gas.
I think you try to say that the eec is also in place with the wfc?
Steve -
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The gate pulse is super imposed over the resonant frequency to form the Pulse Train which will make it fully adjustable. The gate pulse can also be used to extract the electrons from the water during OFF time so that when theres no pulses being applied to the cell the EEC will be active and will pull the free electrons out of the water. Its also used to increase the charged voltage in the cell. The Pulse Train be comes widen while pulse off-time width becomes smaller. Conversely, opposite pulse shaping occurs when its calibrated in revers order. -
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So Don are you referring to the Injector setup or Resonant Cavity setup? The reason I ask is cuz in the Injector setup, the gate can be used as a trigger for the injector gate to allow water into the injector. -
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The answer I'm looking for is for the resonance cavity.The EEC is not the reason for the gating.Alot of what is said is true on what the gating contributes to,but still is not the primary reason for it.
Keep working on it,
Don -
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A gate pulse controls the number of pulses produced by the resonant frequency generator sent to the primary coil during a period determined by the gate frequency of the second pulse generator. The gate can be connected to a pressure sensor that can be placed in the Resonant Cavity which also includes a gas outlet. The gas pressure sensor is operatively connected to the circuit to determine the rate of gas production with respect to ambient gas pressure in the water capacitor enclosure.
When the maximum gas pressure is reached in the resonant cavity, the sensor will send a signal to the gated pulse generator which will stop the pulses from being applied to the primary of the transformer until the pressure in the resonant cavity drops to a safe point.
Heres the logics for the circuit.
(http://www.globalkast.com/images/tonywoodside/Fig.6_logics.PNG)
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Yes Tony all of that is a funtion from the gate signal,but it's still not the primary purpose of the gating.What your talking about uses the gating pulses,but it's not the main funtion.
What would you need a manual adjusted frequency for? We're not looking for how to make the frequency,we all know how to do that.We're looking for the reason we need gating.
Look at my other question about LC Resonance.
Don -
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The only thing I can think of right now is that the gate pulse is used to promote the step-charging effect in the cell. it also can control the charge/discharge rate of the cell. There may also be a need to allow a definite relaxation time after each pulse, to increase the period in which the ionized charges may recombine and hydrogen and oxygen may be collected. -
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The gas pedal Don!?? hehe -
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The cell should work like a pump according to Stan, This means that for each pulse train there must be a relaxation period for new water to enter the resonant cavity. This is evident by the discharge time in the graphic.
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All of the bobbin cavities have to match in inductance with the primary coil’s inductance for the desired frequency the user is aiming for. This way makes sure that all coils hit resonance at the same time. Since the primary has the strongest magnetic field it leads the way for all other magnetic fields to add to its magnetic field strength.
So something like this, The gate frequency matches the resonance of the coils and the 2nd resonant frequency matches the resonance of the water. So the 2nd resonant frequency is inside the gated frequency.
Example. Say the coils resonate @ 500 Hz and the water resonates at 5khz. So you would superimpose a 500 hz frequency over the 5khz so that the coils and water hit resonance at the same time!!!
In this example the Sec = 1H, L1 = 1H, L2 = 1H, which gives Ltotal = 3H and the capacitor would equal 3.38nF. This would make the resonant frequency of the coils 500 Hz and the cell 5khz and they would hit resonance at the same time.
Gated Pulse = 500 Hz
PLL Freq. = 5kHz -
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the biggest clue i think is in tony's picture, although as he added his own picture on the bottom he changed the shape of the step charging curve, and i think the original shape of the step charging curve provides the clue
tony's drawing shows a capacitor being charged in one pulse, with the time broken up by the time constants, and it is a smooth, continuous curve, however that is not what stan draws
stan draws each pulse of the step charge like a new capacitor is being charged on top of the previous pulse, what this means is that the dielectric properties change after each pulse, as if to add more capacitance, look at the second step charge pulse, the shape as if a empty capacitor is being charged, and not a continuation of the previous charing profile
this indicates that the water charges up, it's dielectric properties increase, as he points out so clearly in the switzerland video
so again, water is a dielectric. the dielectric properties come from the polar nature of the water molecule, which has lone pair electrons on one side, and hydrogen on the other, and if you research Debye, who did the original research on waters dielectric constant he indicates that the electric dipole moment of water is largely due to this lone pair electrons, and these electrons have a great ability to swing position farther from the oxygen, thus increasing the dipole moment when in the electric field,
as the dipole moment changes when the water is stressed, it acts to increase the capacity of the cell, which is why it looks like more capacitance is being added with each step charging pulse, but it adds up to a diminishing increase, until it is fully charged up, or where breakdown would occur
then comes the gate pulse which allows the water to relax, restructure, it allows the gas to join up and form O2 and H2, and recapture electrons to become neutralized, and float out, otherwise with the eec, the particles are kept monatomic and charged, and deflected around the cell even more during pulsing to increase the collision rates, as in the stacked cavity unit
but the water has to relax, recover, restructure, and the gas has to escape and be replenished with more water
also, in the resonant cavity patent, and the 661 patent, he says the pulse frequency can be matched to the wavelength of the movement of the particles between the plates, and this can be done with either the pulse frequency or the gate frequency
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Ok, I just read through some of Meyer's patents and papers and from what he says is that the Gated Pulse Frequency is to increase the applied Voltage Potential. -
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ok so we use the LC Resonance to give us the High Voltages needed...So we then produce a gate pulse cuz we have the high voltages in the cell and when we gate we allow the voltage to do its work on the water? -
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Tony,I wouldn't say that the gating increases the applied voltage.We already have the high voltage from the LC resonance.It doesn't need to be raised anymore.
Your second post is closer yet.
What do we need to do with the manually adjusted gate signal now that we have voltage?
We are no longer talking about resonance with the LC circuit,it no longer applies here,remember it was only for making the voltage.
What would the gate frequency now need to do with the voltage to get the water to pull apart?
Don -
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yea me and Outlaw were just talking about this and we remember Stan saying this in one of his videos: "also when you hit resonance and subject it to the stimulation of the pulse voltage and then switch it off then the hydrogen will continue to be produced on the power off put stage.. a example being that once you hit resonance you could excite it for 5 seconds and your produning gas for 94 seconds.. you divide 5 into 94 and you are producing hydrogen gas 19 times more one the power off stage then on the power input stage.."
so the pulses are not longer needed so then we gate and let the voltage produce the gas! -
#23 ·
that resonant action stan is talking about for 94 seconds is when you match the pulses to the movement of the particles between the plates to match their motion, as he says right after that, if you leave it on, and leave it alone, hydrogen gas will increase at a geometrical progression until you have reached the maximum flow rate going into the resonant cavity, which has nothing to do with gating, unless the gating is being used to match the motion of the water, but it can't do both -
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The gate will allow the HV to discharge into the cell -
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Donald, you just hit on it!! Do you know what it is you just said? Forget about the 94 second statement,that doesn't matter.
Quotewhen you match the pulses to the movement of the particles between the plates to match their motion,
What does that mean?
So what would you use the gating frequency for?
Don