Magnet effecting Unipolar Pulses on toroidal Core

#1 · date not recorded

I just found that if i get a magnet close to the primary coil of my toroidal transformer with the polarities paralleled with the coil i get strange effects on current and voltage being induced on the secondary....

In one case the current will drop 4 times meaning it will consume 4 times less current while raising the voltage a little bit,

and on the

Other case the current will drop just a little and voltage induced will almost double.

This might be one way to get Real over unity, because if you think about both effects could be useful in a variety of cases...

I'm editing a video that i made here and will post in some minutes...

Hope you enjoy...

I'm not sure its over unity and probably is not... However is very strange... You have to agree.

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It probably has to do with the electron bounce effect , stan talk about and

the creation of a switchable path of magnetism controlled by the pulses... when the pulse is off, the permanent magnetism is allowed to enter into the coil...

sebosfato

#2 · date not recorded

i have just found a good info for how to design transformers

just need to think that the pulses are unipolar... for the calculations

http://ludens.cl/Electron/Magnet.html

outlawstc

#3 · 19 Sep 2010

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCY7tYDjXhI[/youtube]

outlawstc

#4 · 19 Sep 2010

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru8YQ6HUwbU[/youtube]

sebosfato

#5 · date not recorded

Yes it seems to me that is the same effect...

Maybe this is the magamp

will keep using it

but i will try to figure how to increase even further the energy...

Steve

#6 · date not recorded

Crazy video's!
If it was working, the whole world would run on it by now.
Does anybody seen a working model?

sebosfato

#7 · 20 Sep 2010

Steve

I will measuring the output energy and input energy... i have only one multimeter so is going to be hard. I think that i will use a lamp as a load. than i will measure input and output current and voltage... Than there will be no doubt...

I discovered how to design transformers and now i'm finishing one with some taps in the primary for 20khz 120volts dc and will pulse it with my circuit than i will use the electron pump configuration (coil diode coil fields aiding) but with full wave bridge rectifier configuration, meaning 2 diodes 4 coils being two sets anti-paralleled, (doubling the frequency) than this (unlimited) voltage supply go to the the resonant coil with respective independent and isolated ground switches and collapse field voltage multiplier coil.

i mean unlimited by electron pump action it will pump amps with no limit in voltage so voltage is free to grow and grow...

unipolar pulses thus

To calculate the primary

remember that inductance = permeability of the core * (turns squared) L=u*t^2
thus permeability = inductance / (turns squared) u=L/t^2
And by consequence turns = square root of the (inductance / permeability) t=sqrt(L/u)

And now you just need to know the saturation limit of the material in tesla and apply the following formula

turns=Volts/4/Area in m2/Hz/Tesla

t=V/4/A/Hz/T

m2 = cm2/10000 This is the area cross section of the core

For iron core 1 tesla
for ferrite from 0,1 up to 0,5 depends on the type

The secondary you need to choose the transformation factor and just multiply by the number of turns

you must consider the impedance of the circuit

the impedance transformation is = Z * Transformation factor squared Zt= Z*T^2

I wound the secondary series with contrary direction as to have both positive ends on the same side to void insulation problems. Hope it works..

attachment_6064 Foto criada em 2010-09-20 às 00.08.jpg

sebosfato

#8 · date not recorded

I found that the magnet dont cause mutch effect on this new transformer.. i believe that is because the primary winding is much wider than the other i tested before.. So the exact effect of the other transformer was having the primary about 3 cm wide and the magnet being 1cm between north and pole...

I got the exact pulse wave form meyer showed... thru the water thought. Using the big green inductor connected the way i showed in that drawing... vic by sebosfato

now i just need to get into resonace...

I tried to attack on the 110 volts line but my dimmer burned in 5 seconds got also my irfp250 burned too... i will go buy a fuse and will connect straight to the line again=)... i will buy some of them...
And i need to go buy some more diodes and mosfets...

Is because i don't have a variac so im connecting straight to the line..

Steve

#9 · date not recorded

Quote from: sebosfato on September 20, 2010, 21:20:17 pm

I found that the magnet dont cause mutch effect on this new transformer.. i believe that is because the primary winding is much wider than the other i tested before.. So the exact effect of the other transformer was having the primary about 3 cm wide and the magnet being 1cm between north and pole...

I got the exact pulse wave form meyer showed... thru the water thought. Using the big green inductor connected the way i showed in that drawing... vic by sebosfato

now i just need to get into resonace...

I tried to attack on the 110 volts line but my dimmer burned in 5 seconds got also my irfp250 burned too... i will go buy a fuse and will connect straight to the line again=)... i will buy some of them...
And i need to go buy some more diodes and mosfets...

Is because i don't have a variac so im connecting straight to the line..

Alright Fabio. Closer then ever.
Maybe a scopeshot?

?

sebosfato

#10 · date not recorded

I went to the store to buy the diodes and the mosfet and i ended up buying some fuses and an igbt caled irgp30b120kd-e 1200v 30 amps

I was afraid that the irfp250 burned because a spike than i will find how to make a snubber well avoid burning this igbt witch was a bit expensive. .

I will solder everything up and i show you the scope

You will see the spikes... than

i need to add the second diode to create the step charging effect...

than is a matter of inputing voltage up to here the hydrogen will blow out of the bottle...

My friend engineer is going to make some tubes for me i think he will make three tubes sets with 1mm gap...

This way i can vary the capacitance...

The unipolar pulses are really interesting as seems full wave bridge rectified but the pulse is being generated by the collapse of the field in the coil.. as together with the spike...

shortly more to come

wish me luck

sebosfato

#11 · 21 Sep 2010

Seems like the sky is helping me. A lot of rain just arrived, i'm collecting the water...

Steve

#12 · 21 Sep 2010

Quote from: sebosfato on September 21, 2010, 01:47:28 am

Seems like the sky is helping me. A lot of rain just arrived, i'm collecting the water...

Its a message....

sebosfato

#13 · date not recorded

I've got many problems and i'm not able to get the same wave forms anymore

my primary shorted

the irgp don't act like the 250

i'm going to buy some bidistiled water adn a irfp360 transistor

sebosfato

#14 · date not recorded

I just came back with 20 liters of bi distilled water and a certain resin that i can use for make more 200 liters of it...

The conduction is 3 micro siemens

Now i just need to rewound my primAry and substitute some diodes here

i think they got burned with the unipolar pulses they are 60 amps 600v ultra fast diodes and the one in the coil actually got really really hot

sebosfato

#15 · date not recorded

using 12v i made the ac voltage raise up to 250v

having about 5 v dc

I think now would be worth some of that dankie wire ...

I'm going to buy some wire tomorow

I don't have more.. Hum thinking a litle better

yes i have

Steve

#16 · date not recorded

Quote from: sebosfato on September 21, 2010, 20:29:15 pm

I just came back with 20 liters of bi distilled water and a certain resin that i can use for make more 200 liters of it...

The conduction is 3 micro siemens

Now i just need to rewound my primAry and substitute some diodes here

i think they got burned with the unipolar pulses they are 60 amps 600v ultra fast diodes and the one in the coil actually got really really hot

Add a small computerfan on the hole VIC, Seb. If you are lack of those, then i can send you some....

Steve

Steve

#17 · date not recorded

Here some usefull info, Fabio.

Steve

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sebosfato

#18 · date not recorded

Thank steve

I have seeing those before but thanks anyway-

I have had not much luck here my battery was dead this morning...

I have winded yet another new coil this with small gauge wire for the secondary and the chokes...will check if it works ...

sebosfato

#19 · 25 Sep 2010

well i just wrote a lot and everything was lost so here i go again in parts

I have constructed in the last days 2 new transformers, one made with silicon steel E E ( to have more window) laminations having 16mm*22mm of cross section area and bobbins about 20mm wide witch also can be used on the other core witch is a flyback core having 16mm diameter ...

The bobbins are distributed in 3 sections one for the primary 200 turns 22awg one for the resonant charging chokes 100 turns each 22 awg and other for the secondary 600 turns using 28 awg ...

The secondary make up the voltage of the cell... and the charging chokes creates the step charging effect witch doubles the frequency with the help of two diodes and allow the voltage to be stepped up to higher levels than predetermined by coils turns rates..

One of the chokes are connected with fields aiding serially after the secondary separated by one diode... And the other is connected to another diode as to double the frequency and to collapse the field... This one perform a very specific function as it will allow the pulses going to the charging chokes to be unipolar and doing so it allow the choke to discharge all the energy accumulated during the pulse in a fraction of the time taken to charge the choke this means that this short pulse will have very high voltage... However i think that a more controlled electrical switch will be needed to concentrate the magnetic field before the discharge by leaving a brief period of time with no pulse allowing to the magnetic field to concentrate before collapsing...

Well this high energy short pulse will perform the step charging effect...

The coils and the transformer it self must be able to work at the resonant cavity frequency witch will be determined by F = 1/ R*C or F=1/2Pi*R*C (i'm not sure) witch can be changed by adding capacitors in parallel with the water... to adjust it to the transformer and chokes inductors as to have a tuned circuit... So there are two resonances.. one ( water dielectric constant, resistance and electrodes shape and size )set the frequency and the other tune into it.. However the impedance of the output from the transformer must have an impedance grater than the resonant cavity resistance as to allow the damping factor to be less than one or at the same time allowing the resonant cavity to oscillate. This will create an alternating current inside the water between its capacitance and its resistance all this suffering the action of high electric field DC... thus this oscillation will be the way to achieve high current high voltage needed to break down a lot of water...

Actually i believe that the short pulse will switch off the covalent bounding because its extreme density and than this superimposed oscillation will create the motion in the electric field to create current to split apart the atoms...

well the only problem is that when i connect to the 110dc line i get fireworks and transistors and fuses blowing.

what can i do?

on 12 volts it work but voltage is not enough

sebosfato

#20 · date not recorded

This would explain the cell with variable distance utility too...

And this might also explain the tube cuts... To reach precisely the same capacitance for each tube... to match the frequency with the transformer...

I just got a surprise, my friend brought me 6 tube sets 304 material, the inside tube 1,56 cm outside diameter, long 50cm and outside tube have 1,7cm of inside diameter, this give me a gap of about 0,6mm or 0,023inchs thus my capacitance is around 27,5 nf per tube being 6 tubes will become around 166,5nf...

frequency would be around 12khz thus my inductor for the 6 tubes together would be around 1mh...and XL would be 78

Now to allow the damping factor to be low a good deal of resistance must be present in the secondary of the transformer at least i guess

Now i need to solder the tubes to their bases and

Now i would like to get some acrylic tubes to enclosure the cels ( the inside of the inside tube and outside of the outside tube) and another to put all the cells inside...

I think that i will use nylon wire as spacer

sebosfato

#21 · 26 Sep 2010

3 inches long cavity composed of 0,75 inches and 0,5 inches tubes having a gap of 0,0625 inches with water would give a capacitance of about 1,3nf having about 24000kohm resistance (pure water) would give from the formula 1/2pi*R*C = 5khz

Than Xc should be = to Re or 24kohm at 5khz

so 1/2*pi*5000*1,3*10^-9= 24000 ohms Xc Hum

I think that this is the right formula and not 1/RC

What do you think?

Steve

#22 · 26 Sep 2010

Quote from: sebosfato on September 26, 2010, 03:41:17 am

3 inches long cavity composed of 0,75 inches and 0,5 inches tubes having a gap of 0,0625 inches with water would give a capacitance of about 8nf having about 4000kohm resistance (pure water) would give from the formula 1/2pi*R*C = 5khz

I think that this is the right formula and not 1/RC

What do you think?

Well, what do we think?
Good question.
I think most of us here hope you find the missing link, ill guess

For your info, i made here a standalone 3.5 inch tubeset, with the known meyer parameters.
They are placed into an epoxy, so the tube stands right up on his own. The only place where water is, is between the 2 tubes.
So, yes. Another try here too.
I will measure capacitance and resistance soon with plain destilled water and let you know, Fabio.

Your calculations are fine, but i am not sure if they are on the right place here.

I do have an option on your voltage problems. If you want to use the 110V from your walloutlet, then you better add a capacitor inline. That cap will prevend getting too much current in your circuit.

sebosfato

#23 · date not recorded

Thank steve,

I will try that, i thought also of using a big cap in parallel with the full wave bridge rectifier too, and a resistor in series... but i will try this thing about the capacitor too... I should calculate from the voltage and frequency right?

Cool steve, measure the resistance by applying dc voltage and measure the amperage... i used 110 v there was 35ma flowing ... I believe i can get less than that if i make many flushs on the cell with the pure water...

I finishing to paint my new cell it will have 6 stainless steel tube pairs being the outside tube covered in its outside with varnish and the inside of the inside tube also coated with varnish (those for transformer) I did a test with hot water and it didn't seem to come of.. . i hope it don't lead to problems with the conductivity of the water.. but as it is an insulator i guess i will not have problems... They look like gold remember the color of stan tubes... is just like honey gold..

i made this to get a better ratio of resistance and capacitance... my tubes witch i used for measuring the resistance was not insulted and was about 4 inches long having 1 inch diameter the inside tube and 2mm gap ...

dandaman20042005

#24 · 8 Oct 2010

Quote from: sebosfato on September 26, 2010, 03:41:17 am

3 inches long cavity composed of 0,75 inches and 0,5 inches tubes having a gap of 0,0625 inches with water would give a capacitance of about 1,3nf having about 24000kohm resistance (pure water) would give from the formula 1/2pi*R*C = 5khz

Than Xc should be = to Re or 24kohm at 5khz

so 1/2*pi*5000*1,3*10^-9= 24000 ohms Xc Hum

I think that this is the right formula and not 1/RC

What do you think?

I think I am glad i found this forum

I have been looking for people working on Meyers stuff, I havent gotton to the real work yet for the last year i have been studying the patents and misc. info
I have a 3 mo project coming up and when i get back home in december im doing nothing but building.
I do have a couple of questions for you guys

1. Is there a specific reason for using toroids and not the bobbin type with the primary wraped long. and sec. tubular wraped with chokes on the same.

2. Have you experimented with the taper resonant cavity or tested the voltage mulipication of such a taper.

Donaldwfc

#25 · date not recorded

Welcome Dan

1. Different WFC systems use different cores and VIC designs, there are different ways to accomplish the effect, however elusive... The toroid was mentioned in one system, the bobbin type was the latest, most advanced VIC design, possibly worthy of superseding all previous VIC designs. Toroid VIC's are not economically simple (mass production), while bobbin VIC's are. The context of Stan's development spanned from 1975 to 1998, and over the years his systems advanced, so keep that in mind when trying to sort out what is what and what goes with what, some details are separated by years of advancement.

2. The taper resonant cavity is part of an advanced and complicated system, and there are not many people there yet, see Hardkrome's project section.