outlawstc

how about you explain your ideas of why impeadance matching is so relative to your thoughts as being the missing link... make the visual connection instead of just repeating the subject impedance matching is the useen issue..

yea i guess your right.. it is just a jacket.. he probly could of got it at goodwill or somthin.

so you dont see in the zoomed in pic his jacket logo and words match the one for the header of the letter right next to the pics? are you kidding?  i dont think you just *  out jackets with that logo.. you have to be involved to get it.. its not like going to goodwill and finding a sprint or u.p.s shirt.. that logo reprsents more then you are letting yourself see.  it is a event that happens one time a year and it happens to be the 9th year of its existance.  dankie i dont think you have even given it a chance to sink in you no one has even viewed and read the papers next to the photos.. you havent even compared the logo on the header of the letter  to the one on his jacket.

i noticed on the watefuelcell.org site some other guy managed to get a picture standing next to stans buggy.. in the picture you can tell the buggy has been moved from the location at which dynodon seen it. it is in a different garage... more of a shed.. you can tell the shed is fairly new.. .. the guy next to the buggy is wearing a jacket with a logo on it and some words next to it... i was able to zoom in on the words and they are INUVIK PETROLEUM SHOW.   

so i was thinking to myself why the hell is there a guy standing next to a buggy with a petroleum jacket on? so i dug further.. inuvik is a town in canada and they happen to have a show coming up in the near future as a matter of fact. june 17-18.. its is being called one of the biggest shows in the NWT. if you goto there citys web page you will see that they are planing to push forward what they call the mackenzie gas project.. which involves piping oil in from way north canada into populated canada to supply both canada and us with oil. just part of many new oil resources the companys are ready to open up to try to save there market. so my question 2 everyone is why is this guy standing next to the dune buggy with a jacket on that represents the up coming proposal of the makenzie gas project? why does he only have 1 post on waterfuelcell.org?  is it a message saying we need to focus on that in a really intelect subliminal way or was this guy that stupid to where a company jacket standing next to it and wanted to show off?  i dont get it.. share your opinions.

"The piezoresistive effect describes the changing electrical resistance of a material due to applied mechanical stress. The piezoresistive effect differs from the piezoelectric effect. In contrast to the piezoelectric effect, the piezoresistive effect only causes a change in resistance; it does not produce an electric potential"

"History
The change of resistance of metal devices due to an applied mechanical load was first discovered in 1856 by Lord Kelvin. With single crystal silicon becoming the material of choice for the design of analog and digital circuits, the large piezoresistive effect in silicon and germanium was first discovered in 1954 (Smith 1954)."

"Piezoresistive effect in silicon
The resistance of silicon changes not only due to the stress dependent change of geometry, but also due to the stress dependent resistivity of the material. This results in gauge factors to orders of magnitudes larger than those observed in metals (Smith 1954). The resistance of n-conducting silicon mainly changes due to a shift of the three different conducting valley pairs. The shifting causes a redistribution of the carriers between valleys with different mobilities. This results in varying mobilities dependent on the direction of current flow. A minor effect is due to the effective mass change related to changing shapes of the valleys. In p-conducting silicon the phenomena are more complex and also result in mass changes and hole transfer."

i bring this into the equation for a few simple facts.. stan meyer says the reason why people like faraday were not able to produce such systems like stans is because of technology.. in their time there wasnt knowledge nor the technonogly of modern day metals such as stainless steel... for those that dont know stainless has silicon in it.. the silicon plays one of the major role that keep stainless from stainling.. the silicon has be but under mechenical stress and has become crystal defects.. they have a way of using i think light energy to maintain a constant atomic skin of ionized oxygen. the uxy is what keeps it from corroding..



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piezoresistive_effect

stephen meyers conversations with the water fuel museum.


http://www.blogtalkradio.com/WaterFuelMuseum/2007/03/25/stephen-meyer-part-1

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/waterfuel2007/2007/04/02/stephen-meyer

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/waterfuel2007/2007/04/07/stephen-meyer

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/waterfuel2007/2007/04/15/stephen-meyer

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/kywaterfuelmuseum/2007/05/13/stephen-meyer-part-5

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/waterfuel2007/2007/06/09/stephen-meyer

TonyWoodside

so you are a electrical engineer.. have you examined meyers complete circuit diagram? i haven't found one with all the componets labeled.. would you not be able figure out the values of the componets and share them?

me my self i would like to be experimenting with that complete circuit and try to lead off from there..

i hate it when people get on forms and say they have some information pertaining to the goal then say they cant share it lol..  its either flaunting or BS  lil frustrating minus well of not said it at all lol. not to mention who ever falls into the belief that you are truthful which you may feel that way and really be but you yourself may be mistaken from your perspective of observation then you miss led people and delayed the outcome

could it be a dc offset wave?  a unipolar  wave oscillating from +1 volt to +12?

AC Electrolysis is very possible, what do  you think Stan Meyer's was doing!!!  He used a digital circuit to produce an AC waveform across the WFC.  That's the reason his chokes where connected 180 degrees apart from the cell, so that it would produce an AC output.

i think your sort of right there is a oscillation occuring in the chokes.. but they are being hit with a unipolar pulse (dc pulse)   to ring them    and in some of stans schematics he shows a diode after the choke going to the cell like his rotary vic schematic shows..

the water isnt taking on a ac signal it is getting pulsing dc..  i so not see the cell reversing current if anything staying above one volt with current only being amplified in one direction on a minute level.. during off pulse i dont see the reference of voltage passing 0 in the cell.. so when you say ac to produce gas.. im a bit skeptic..  now stan does using the idea of ac to a degree for the steam resonator.. in that set up stan is using a switching relay to flip flop positive and negative voltage across the plates.. this doesnt disturb the bond and forces a friction on water to heat it up by i think particle impact during switching.

has anyone ever tried to polish some stainless? can you get stainless to have a mirror shine? i think being polished will help work in a insulating manner?  since a polished non corrosive metal is probly more deterant to corrosion and also more deterant to the throwing off of electrons???

steve, all that separates electrolysis and stans method for the most part is the bifilar chokes.. they are what restrics amps and thats what avoids standard electrolysis.. the chokes magneticly couple on the core.. the video someone posted of the copper coated ball with the 4 copper strips simpley proves this as fact.. u watch the copper ball have electrons stripped when its on a positive strip then it repels and moves toward the negative , gains electrons the repels back to a positive field... if you were to take that same ball and insulate it after electrons has been positively charged what would happen in that same bowl??? the copper ball not being able to change in charge will repel from the positive stips and it would only cling to the negatives (like a magnet)... the bifilar wires take on the same effect.. they are inulated being driven by a emf force in a mutual space to eachother they change and charge in opposite polarity.. this means that as voltage climbs they become more and more attracted to each other on the core... this is also why the resistance of water has a role in the circuit... since durring pulsing (the force of emf) you are allowing the voltage to show its presence in the water and if your pulse width exceeds a certain point it will be forcing  current... when chokes are charged and pulsing quits you have a leaky cap effect i think and you will have a discharge of the choke dependent apon the resistance of water and the stainless steel. stan state in one of his videos that production continues for 94 seconds during off time.. this is because the choke have been charged up. the chokes appear like a batter accross water but with way higher voltage and a different type of resistance to current flow compared to a battery i think due to the magnetic coupling.

The way I have come to look at it is ..
When 2 Hydrogen's and 1 Oxygen form the molecular covalent bond known as water.. Their is a change in domain for 2 electrons.. When i say domain I'm speaking of orbital domain (what the electron is orbiting)
They go from orbiting Hydrogen's to orbiting the Oxygen

This shift in orbital domain is a shift in electric field.. 

When them 2 electrons go into orbit with the Oxygen, the Oxygen goes from a 0 electrical charge to a -2 (From having 8 protons and 8 electrons, to having 8 protons and 10 electrons)..
The Hydrogen's go from a 0 electrical charge into a +1

This being said picture the oxygen atom as a -2 particle and the the Hydrogen's as positive 1. And think of the fact that charged particles can be physically influenced by a voltage.. I don't think we need to worry to much about orbital electrons and their oscillations (cycles around the nucleus) when it comes to breaking apart the water molecule..  We simply need to stretch the Hydrogen's away from the Oxygen.. As the Hydrogen's move away they will be pulling on the electrons still which will help elongate the orbit i would think..

Well water is a dipole having a north and south.. So its like a needle in a compass.. It can be oriented  based on a field. In Stan's case That field being the voltage.. When stan gives the example of the microwave and how it warms food in one of his videos.. It is because the water molecule oscillates with the electromagnetic waves which in that case happens to be in the micro wavelength range of the spectrum (microwave).. I don't see why the molecules cant react to oscillations of lower spectrum.. 
Also in Stan's case he is not trying to oscillate the orientation of the molecules he was aligning them in one direction and stretching them.. The voltage field would lock them into a one way orientation.. as they stretched the hydrogen's would become further and further away from the oxygen until it reaches a threshold at which the oxygen would eject the hydrogen's electrons toward the Hydrogen's (opposite direction of positive plate)

this is what i have come to conclude based on my understanding

those potentials i think are created by the displacement of electrons.. the emf is only allowed to flow one way due to the diodes.. you keep yanking electrons out the positive side and they build up on the negative side.. copper has 29 electrons and 29 protons.. thats a neutral charge.. when you start removing them from the posiitve and forcing them in the negative side it creates real oposite potentials not oscillating electron potential like AC..   thats like what 2 curious is saying.. the +120 is a side missing electrons to create a positive proton charge..  get my drift? the copper chokes on my alternator drawing are connected to air ionization only.. the stainless hooks to the cell, the middle stator and positve induction side of the primary rotor winding..  i have not had the money to do any work on my alternator ideas but i bet it would work.. the concept.. since the copper choke is being used for the air ionization it can establish higher displaced potentials since there is minimal leakage over the airgap.  the stainless is coupling the coppers potential at the same time.. so when signal 49a xxx 49b pulses through the rotor it is allowing a echo to occur between the secondary and primary.. i beleive this echo technique is only used for the alternator version.. the 6-1 has primary and secondary on same mutual core.. the the primary 3.3 amps are reacting not just with secondary but both. secondary and stainless.

outlawstc

god works like voltage dankie he performs work but he likes to stay balanced.. stick this in your mind. and give it time for every cycle its on your mind you that cycle brings you one step closer to clairty (performs work) every time its relative.   god is whatever the universe makes  as a form of matter for its volume.. thats why he is considered to be part of us.. cause we are him.at least a little dot on his huge canvas.. for all we know we can be in a rock on another planet..  albert einstien said god dont play dice with the universe..   you know what i find funny is that his e=mc2 pretty much says nothins predictable.. its vice versa.  if i were to guess how time travel works i would say there are 2 equations..  one for going to the future and one for going to the past.. my bet is they are e(m*c2)    future and e/(m*c2) past.. to get there you would need to create some type of scalar force .. its roataion will determine the equation.. clock wise or counter.. just a guess from my new understandings

outlawstc

Outlawstc: PLEASE USE DOTS IN YOUR TEXTS...........THANK YOU!!!!! You type such long lines....

steve

lol my bad that just how you write lyrics... it helps keep you on rhythm.... each line is a flip kind like a cycle

What keeps a standing wave in motion? Some interlocking mechanism or a constant flow of energy... self energy?

for every action one trade take place, 0 and 1 polar matter displace. 0's the light and YOU ARE THE 1, what it amounts to is divinity..
lol part of a song i wrote..

in my mind for every action one trade takes place
makes me think back to 2 pac days
live by the gun die by the gun
what he'd  say.
the deal is we in the matrix and
for every action one trade takes place.
1 and 0  polar matter displaced
0 is light and you are one and what it amounts to
is divinity and in todays worlds filtered by luminosity
 they dont share the gift
moneys the artificial  switch
1913 freedom got ditched
so take your turbulent disturbants
go buy some detergent
and make your own suds
im ready to grab my guns
play elmer fud  and go have some fun
how deep does the wabbit hole go
thats what im out to know.
come out to playpesky wabbit
visualizing a gun to his noes
all i see is visual distortion
my intuition says all seeing eye
causeing govenment collusion
hiding the fusion in lifes illusions
as pastor troy say's
look up in the sky nigga we rich..
find your third eye and open it
this is for the deaf dumb and blind
please dont make me flip my mind
from positive to negative
we're all riders of the same storm
which makes us dividend as well as innocent

Haven't read much of your posts here lately, too much for me atm Tongue
but you said matter and light are the same, and I came to a similar conclusion with some open questions:

photons are the vice versa of electrons.. vice versa as we know are things like hot cold, wet dry, day and night.  so we can concled they are opposite states. ok the opposite state on the atomic level create vise versa effects to atomic charged particle positve and neg. making them have GRAVITY in opposite directions..

the type of electric current we use in todays world(alternating current ) is what i call turbulent current when being used and we know of them as amps..  as you should know 125 volts AC has 1 hot leg 1 neutral, and a ground.. the neutral isnt hooked to their stator neutral of the generator at the power plant .. so there for it isnt a closed loop circuit what so ever.. they rely on pumping amps down a wire for a source of power down 1 hot leg, through the load, and then into earth ground.

tubulent amps is where the heat comes from in conventional electric. see since they use 1 hot leg to send there power it is pushing electrons 2 times further then pullng back.. they travel 2 times further because neutral is like a dead short on the load side..  they use earths attraction to stabilization to help the load move down the line.. well every time you switch directions in 1 hot wire you are causing the copper atoms protons to flip flop back and forth, when they do that it causes heat by means of friction on a atomic level.  pole flopping of the protons of some sort..  proton matter is just like earth.. it is positve charged but has neutral effect as well.. notice how protons and neutrons cling  with attraction... well we humans are neutral charged and what do we cling to? earth!!!  so i would have to say the copper protons are pole oriented determined by the direction of orbiting electrons.  

resonance in stans set up is learning how to use electric in its tru calling.. a biderectional flow.. which would be putting a one direction flow for electrons.. your not pulling them back any more just push push push push.. and light is getting pushed pushed pushed in the other direction in same relative time although it may not be as much push as vacuum.. the rectifier is like a back flow preventor..  so once you figure out how to push one way with the alternator.. you know that the negative choke is becoming condensed with electrons while the positive choke is where the negative choke got its electrons from.. so it is short of electrons to be atomicaly neutral.. it has been put in a higher vacuum energy state.. which is positve.  the electrons being pulled out were traded for light.  so we know the positve goes into vacuum state and electrons are in a pressure state.. now you must understand balance of building states.. if you dont build them in a even in a  relative manner then you will created turbulent amps across the load which is the water.. waters viscosity has a harder time remaining pole oriented under unbalanced voltage fields..  the little amount of amps stan used was enough to keep them polarized while voltage performed work. im gonna draw up the difference in turbulent and non turbulent here soon.

The piezoresistive effect describes the changing electrical resistance of a material due to applied mechanical stress. The piezoresistive effect differs from the piezoelectric effect. In contrast to the piezoelectric effect, the piezoresistive effect only causes a change in resistance; it does not produce an electric potential.

Piezoresistive silicon devices

The piezoresistive effect of semiconductors has been used for sensor devices employing all kinds of semiconductor materials such as germanium, polycrystalline silicon, amorphous silicon, and single crystal silicon. Since silicon is today the material of choice for integrated digital and analog circuits the use of piezoresistive silicon devices has been of great interest. It enables the easy integration of stress sensors with Bipolar and CMOS circuits.

This has enabled a wide range of products using the piezoresisitve effect. Many commercial devices such as pressure sensors and acceleration sensors employ the piezoresistive effect in silicon. But due to its magnitude the piezoresistive effect in silicon has also attracted the attention of research and development for all other devices using single crystal silicon. Semiconductor Hall sensors, for example, were capable of achieving their current precision only after employing methods which eliminate signal contributions due the applied mechanical stress.

[edit] Piezoresistors

Piezoresistors are resistors made from a piezoresistive material and are usually used for measurement of mechanical stress. They are the simplest form of piezoresistive devices.

[edit] Fabrication

Piezoresistors can be fabricated using wide variety of piezoresistive materials. The simplest form of piezoresistive silicon sensors are diffused resistors. Piezoresistors consist of a simple two contact diffused n- or p-wells within a p- or n-substrate. As the typical square resistances of these devices are in the range of several hundred ohms, additional p+ or n+ plus diffusions are necessary to facilitate ohmic contacts to the device.

"Under the microscope, I found that snowflakes
     were miracles of beauty; and it seemed a
     shame that this beauty should not be seen and
     appreciated by others. Every crystal was a
     masterpiece of design and no one design was
     ever repeated., When a snowflake melted, that
     design was forever lost. Just that much beauty
     was gone, without leaving any record behind."
Wilson "Snowflake" Bentley 1925

http://www.cienciateca.com/stssnow.html

Amorphous silicon (a-Si) is the non-crystalline allotropic form of silicon. Silicon is a four-fold coordinated atom that is normally tetrahedrally bonded to four neighboring silicon atoms. In crystalline silicon this tetrahedral structure is continued over a large range, forming a well-ordered lattice (crystal). In amorphous silicon this long range order is not present and the atoms form a continuous random network. Not all the atoms within amorphous silicon are four-fold coordinated. Due to the disordered nature of the material some atoms have a dangling bond. These dangling bonds are defects in the continuous random network, which cause electrical behaviour. If desired, the material can be passivated by hydrogen, which bonds to the dangling bonds and can reduce the dangling bond density by several orders of magnitude. Hydrogenated amorphous silicon (a-Si:H) has a sufficiently low amount of defects to be used within devices. However, the hydrogen is unfortunately associated with light induced degradation of the material, termed the Staebler-Wronski Effect.