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Hello Donald


I've build the pc oscilloscope circuit...


Is very very simple


Is a voltage divider being one resistor, one variable resistor and with two antiparallel 1n4148 diodes connected to the output voltage of the variable resistor and ground. for each channel note that the other channel share the same ground...


You can find link for a simple schematic on zelscope website 

What he didn't said is that to low the losses you can use active rectifiers using mosfets. But its very cool to know that 1n4007 after 15khz don't completely rectify the current. This make me think that my experiment of the resonance with the series diodes where i used maybe up to 20 1n4007 paralleled together cause they use to get really hot. It worked up to 100khz on the experiment i still got electrolysis happening. However at lower frequencies the current was greater up to 20 amps recirculating at 500 volts..

Hello crazyewok,


A Parallel tank circuit actually is essentially exactly the same as a series circuit, the thing is where is the load, where is the source of the energy and if current recirculates making of it a tank circuit or not.


You can have a parallel circuit drive in series and having a load in series or parallel or You can have a parallel circuit driven in parallel with a series or in parallel load. However is just a cyclic series circuit, and so as the current is able to recirculate, it is called a tank circuit cause it accumulate energy.


A series circuit normally have a series load or a parallel load, however it can be driven in series and in parallel too.


The parameter is if current recirculate or not. 


A parallel circuit driven in series mean that you will see by the input circuit 0 impedance so only the real resistance of the circuit. (ex: if you want to drive a resonant tank with 3 amps and it have a total of 3 ohms of series resistance, you will need 12v at the resonant frequency.


If you would drive it in parallel you would see maximum impedance, so you need to calculate the max voltage, having the Q factor or desired amps times reactance and drive it in parallel at the specific voltage.


In a series circuit witch actually is most times drive in series you will have 0 impedance at the resonant frequency so the source will see only the series real resistance in resonance.


So a parallel circuit aways need an energy input, or after Q cycles the energy will finish... There is not a such thing like 0 amps, nor infinite voltage, voltage is limited by the energy you input in the circuit and the breakdown rating voltage of the components.


If you take a resonant tank with lets say another coil coupled to it with a diode, during the off time of the diode the energy will be accumulated in the circuit, and when it reverse the polarity the energy of the circuit will discharge into the load. Ok  However this leave no place for the kickback action i my understanding. There is something there however.


Have you ever thought how is the magnetic field of a coil made of copper foil???

Voltage multiplication on switch off means: flyback kickback effect!, when you let energy to be accumulated on the gap by having the diode closed during the pulse, what happens is that after the end of the pulse the field will collapse and you will have all the energy accumulated that wants to discharge all in once in the reverse direction. 


Important is that the diode conducts only during the off time, now is all about having a higher duty on than off this way you can charge more the core and it will have less time to reverse the pulse.


The speed of the discharge will depend on the resistance of the load, the higher the resistance the faster will be the discharge and the higher will be the voltage multiplication. The ratio of voltage multiplication depends on the turn ration combined to the relation of time pulse on and discharge time.


Time Period = L/R 

ok


I meant any inductor, there, i tried to explain why a capacitor is a short circuit and why the energy disappear, to explain how inductor work.
 
Meyer said to maximize the capacitance, this would mean bifilar or a coil that is hard to wind called... i don't remember now the name, i think is bank winding...

AncientMist


I'm sure that meyer would not make it that easy, in the New Zealand video he actually say that the diagram is only explicative and he would never tell anyone the secret of his patents. What i did is to examine him and other inventors and where they tried to hide their technology, what i found was that there were many similarities. I no longer sure if meyer puts 40kv on water, if he do so he do it creating more electrical energy on the resonance otherwise is kind of impossible to have 40kv across a water gap ..  If you have an electrical over unity device than you can destroy the water, run a car, do whatever you want. Meyer showed the water and insisted on it for two reasons, one to hide part of the secret, other to hide the other part of the circuit. Or to keep everyone far from his ideas.


In the end, he had two coils one being adjustable, he showed formulas for air core calculation, capacitance, frequency, mass acceleration, reactance, energy of inductor... He was describing a resonant tank that was tuned into another. If you notice the sync pulse drawing he show a capacitor having a 0v in the middle. I see this as two capacitors coupled. (well i mean being a combined capacitor not simply coupled)


Maybe we could interact on the capacitor with electromagnetic fields also, well i'm not so sure of this.


What is important is to don't get worry if you interpret the meyer work and replicate with a science background. As long as you know what are you doing and calculating everything, is far better than just try to copy things without completely understand.


I started the wrong way spending much money and time constructing vic coils and destructing after cause didn't work, burning oscilloscopes, multimeters, exploding transistors, capacitors, batteries, burning coils, ic's etc. After all i think that if i didn't make this first step, today i would not have the knowledge i have now. So i'm glad i could do this in the past. Today i don't work anymore so no funds for tests over tests however i think that this is the way thinking more than testing sometimes worth the price.





@ crazyewok


about the pump action, try for your self you just need a sig gnerator a multimeter and a transformer with primary and two secondaries or inductors and of course a diode and a real capacitor...


you connect the primary to the sig generator, than you find the configuration of the secondary that create the biggest voltage in the capacitor, there are two options only, found that you just add a diode in the middle between the secondaries, if voltage is the same, revert the diode. I'm not sure if this effect work only if the primary is driven by unipolar pulse (having only one mosfet) but i guess work anyway there is no apparent reason it wouldn't work actually.


I used this to drive resonant tank in parallel as this partly isolate the secondary from the resonant tank. You can see this on my youtube channel on the power device. 



 

Yes man i think it is.

The VIC is a tuned tank circuit. The posibility of using the same core for a multiple stage step up transformer (thing of it kind of like a marx generator charge in parrelle discharge in series) This is part that intregues me. A tank circuit when tuned to circuit resonance can push the voltage to a mathmatical infinite. This means it will push it up to the point of dielectrical breakdown. Now his statements about the VIC slowly fall into place for everyone. There were a few that i didn't understand till rescently.
1. he talks about the two "inductors" increasing in base voltage by adding more turns, now with an inductor more turn means more henries not more voltage, on a step up transformer more turns means more voltage.
2. His frequency doubling effect only happens if all the coils share the same core and the right frequency is used. This is because you will get the pulse from the "inductors" and then the pulse from the secondary all of which having the voltage doubling effect that inductors have.
3. His use of the 1kv diode. This wouldn't do much to the extent he is talking about except for the protection of the "inductors"
 
There is one point i think should be though out before mimicing his idea. BEMF. There will be a fair whack on it, most absorbed in the inductors and secondary but somethign to think about.

Hi Crazyewok


I made much experimentation in last years on the vic connecting it in the most varied ways, and what i found is that when you add the diode in series it will become a pump like it will only conduct during the period the transformer pulse is of so you can charge up the core to the limit and than discharge it all in once concentrating the pulse to get a high voltage by flyback action, but is not only this, it also by the effect of teh charging chokes will behave like a high impedance output voltage source, or at least self adjusting output voltage source, in the sense that i had a vic with the turns recomended by meyer and i was getting instead of 36v i was getting 2000 using capacitors instead of the water, so i understand it as a charge pump, it takes the referential of the charge capacitor maybe in the capacitance side of the diode and keeps charging. If you apply enough energy you can make the voltages go where you want, just need to scale up.




The doubling effect occur not only on the transformer. Think of this, you have a vic transformer driving a load having 1 amp flowing at 1000v thru a set of bifilar coils, if you are applying half wave the diode will block the reversed field to be applied to the coils, however the 1 amp flowing on the coil want to keep moving but as you closed the door it will take your secondary as a reference and push the rest of the amps on the water. I proposed a design witch i have tried here that for one time made the pulses i was expecting, it was transforming the pulses into a full wave like... It consisted of a bifilar coil made with speaker wire about 20m or wire over iron cores, having 2 diodes one in series with the first coil and other coming from the same side where the other is connected but going to the top of the other coil where it goes for the positive electrode. Doing this the collapsed field of the series inductor became another pulse. The inductor opposes changes in the direction of the current, so if you start to make the current to move it will have like an inertia mass added to it, so when you finish the pulse it still want to keep moving. However if you than make it open circuit the field will collapse very fast. So the more the load is a short circuit the more slow will be the discharging of the inductor.


However as i have only a pc scope i'm not able to actually tell you with much sure, also because diodes got burn and i never got that effect again as i stopped experimenting with tap water, well i would need to work more on it.


There is much on this.
 

Arithmetic progression is the sequence of numbers that can be created adding always the same number to the last sequentially.
ex: 2 +3 =(5)  +3=(   +3=(11)  + 3=14      2 5 8 11 14 so the increasing factor is 3 here.

What i mean by Exponential is that when you have a certain number of watts for example, 100 watts, than this creates some hydrogen and oxygen from water, water expand and you have a generator that can convert this energy into electricity at 90% efficiency, and you than apply this energy to generate more has than you would have:




100w original + 90% of 100W than + 90% 0f 90W than 90% of 90% of 90W....




Now by geometric i mean


100W original + ((90% of 100w)+90% of 90%of100w) + (...


So the heat feeding back into the pressure feedback.


We all know that heat expands gases. 


So you apply one energy and ends up with ex: 90% of the original transformed and used to generate it self. You just create a cycle where energy is conserved, energy still exist over time don't matter we have spent before, energy is not consumed created or destroyed is transformed. We usually transform the electrical energy in heat energy. What i'm saying is that interacting with water you can recycle the energy so you start to have a Q factor over witch you will apply energy make the thing work to you during one transformation of state, than use part of the energy back. So you apply 1 energy and than you have in a second moment the applied energy + the energy regenerated+ the energy regenerated from the energy regenerated and so on. So is a classic example of resonance! Like i called in the past, a resonant system.
Again
 The fact is that we can transform electricity (water electrolyser) into free pressure + heat (combustion chamber) and than can use the pressure (expanded gas from electrolyser) + heat (from the combustion chamber) to generate electricity (by using the heat to expand further the expanded gas from electrolyser witch by pressure drives an electricity generator) that is directed to share the load (water electrolyser) with the initial supply.


I'm explaining in many ways, cause is not so simple concept for everyone.     


I'm not saying its perpetual motion, but if you cycle the energy to any certain amount you would create over unity effects.


Physicists like saying that energy is conserved. Ok so lets just put into resonance and keep using it forever transforming from one form to another cyclicly.




Nice thought i just had.


Vacuum Compression cycle Brake


Imagine a breaking system that uses a piston in a cylinder to break a car for example. You can think about using the piston to fill a tank with compressed air during the operation. But how about instead of letting the air to get into the piston during the intake, to let build up a vacuum, and than open the air valve in the end of the intake cycle to let the air get in and than go to the compression cycle.


I just imagined that the vacuum will create a freezing temperature during its cycle, while you are breaking. So where is the energy going to? The brake will work cool while filling a tank with compressed air. What about this?


The only way to understand is to ask questions...


I think thats what started puzzling maxwell and tesla concerning the vacuum not per se but when created.




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Wish i could examine the epgs myself.


If you think about the ice engine if used with direct injection, common rail, would already perform the function of the pump. So the pressure of the h2 would do some work pushing the piston down, however would give the explosion punch too. being the crankshaft connected to the eog would generate electricity efficiently.


However as i said temperature and pressure must be considered. Using the heat of the engine would mean that the temperature and pressure of the vessel would need to be supported.


Basically if we could maintain a pressure of at least 20 bar on the vessel without the thing explode, would be possible to make the thing work.


Prevent water from reforming???

I just thought a way to transform the pressure into movement in order to create electrical energy thru the use of an alternator or the epg system.


Basically i would construct a kind of two cylinder pump having a crankshaft just like an ice engine, but small and made of delrin like plastic. Than just need to add two double action solenoids, or 4 solenoids to control the cycles of gas injection and release. I was thinking and this seem to be the most efficient and safe way. Is important it to be made of plastic, to avoid sparks and hydrogen leak. Acetic plastic is known to have a self lubrication. One thing that is concerning me is the temperature.


So lets say the hydrogen generator vessel maintain maybe 50psi and move this pump accordingly with the flow of gas. The pump in turn, is connected to a generator being an epg preferable or an alternator.. .


A transformer is known to have efficiency of up to 95% so that and the fact that the epg will generate Dc so no diodes are needed, Thus Epg would be the best way to re generate the electricity.


I guess An alternator is less efficient than this and would also need the diodes so losses.

By geometric  i mean that as you get the feedback from the energy regenerated thru the expansion of the water into gas this will be exponential, but if you than utilize some of the heat of the burning of the hydrogen to create a second feedback, the energy will multiply more than exponentially, will be Geometric. So resonance consisting in two feedbacks being the second in consequence of the first.

in my numbers i have 1847 liters stp




if you calculate this from 22,4 liters per mole of gas as 1 liter of water will liberate 55,51 moles of H2 and 27,755 moles of O2 you have 83,265 * 22,4 = 1865 liters at stp

Thanks to you man. Have a good christmas and very happy new year. =)


I'm glad to be here! 


Fabio

Hello guys,


I cound't test in the last day cause i'm very sick, as soon as i get better i will come back to work.


I've read a lot recently and would like to recommend to you http://www.google.com/patents    PATENT NUMBER 2,948,861  CRYSTAL BAbb


This patent talk about Quantum MechanicAL Resonance


VEry cool this patent was cited by Lawrence Nelson patent


Hope you enjoy

I made the test and some gas production using deionized water. I think that i'm on the track. I used one transformer outputting ac going to the outside of the container and the outer tube, and a the VIC connected to the inner tube and outside of the container.


Between the tubes there was 23 volts DC and 20 AC and some bubbles started to appear. This was the first test i did and was the better one. I tried to change the configuration in all manners i thought.


The primary of the ac transformer (flyback) is connected in parallel with the other primary. I'm not sure what is the frequency. Going into nor the power consumption, but is very low cause the mosfet does not even get warm.


I will tray adding a diode on the ac transformer to see what happens.


My problems are, meters and oscilloscope missing, and the circuit is not working very well.


obs when the ac primary is not connected to the source the flyback vibrates intensely.


The voltage between the water and outside now is only 17v dc...


Forgot to say
I'm not using the trains of pulses and other thing is that this deionized water i can input 400volts between the tubes  and no bubbles come out.

thats Why when he talk about preventing the water molecule from reform initially he ionized the hydrogen negatively (so it repel the oxygen), and later only ionized the oxygen and water positively (cause probably is easier and thus it repel the hydrogen fracturing it stealing its electrons). 

Donald i was reading old threads about electron extraction, and found that i should explain the time share rate of the covalent eletcron.




Oxygen being one of the most electronegative atoms in the periodic table like electrons very much. When it accept the electrons of the hydrogen during the combustion it takes the hydrogen electrons and robs them, making them to be most of the time in the oxygen orbit.


This makes the time share tend to the oxygen for the most part of the time.


Altering the time share rate relates to increase the hydrogen atom positive charge and or increase the oxygen negative charge so the hydrogen attracts more the covalent electrons and the oxygen repels the covalent electrons. This in turn obviously change the covalent force, weakening it by affecting the time share rate.


I learned this last year when i was frequenting the atomic and molecular physics lessons.


Stan say that when he electrically intensify the water atoms its charges become intensified, the hydrogen become more positive and oxygen more negative.


I guess giving the water a positive charge ejecting electrons would interfere in this. But i think that voltage also must be applied in there between the plates too.

Andy, what is happening in my opinion is that on the other electrode the oxygen is oxidizing the anode thus becoming a solid oxide and thats in my opinion why it don't come out as gas. And also this oxidazability of the anode maybe is the reason it is working too.

I think meyer got the way of calculating the coils and capacitors by complex impedance to match the perfect resonance as the coils have resistance there is a deviation of the resonant frequency.