When you have a capacitor and you want to charge it what you do?
You need to perform work by applying a voltage that will make the electrons from one electrode to go to the other electrode!
This create the electric field between the electrodes.
So when meyer talk about the bath is one thing and when meyer say between the voltage zones is another.
The thing i repeat, Is that water is part of the electrode if the dielectric is the container so is where the electrons will come from.
As meyer explained in the NZ first video when he say how he switch off the covalent bounding.
Hope you understand.
I think that fast freddy understood this and that also why his gas could support high pressure without exploding. Meyer also said that as you make this process the gases are safer than normal in the transporting as there is no electron build up or sparks.
Meyer talked about two different things. One is the electrical polarization process where he extract electrons from the water bath as for weakening the covalent bounding of the water by giving to it a Net positive charge. And other thing was to extract electrons from the ambient air while ionizing negatively the hydrogen atoms for getting enormous amounts of energy-...
Thus the electrical polarization process means the following, Charge the water positively therefore extracting electrons out of it. For this the electron extraction circuit is useful. Because you can charge water to 100kv if your bath container support this voltage but as long as you leave it at 100kv it will keep there and thus the amount of electrons that came out of water are limited. So stan provided a way to sequentially charge the water and discharge "consuming" the electrons so they could not come back to the water so leaving it net positively charged. Electrical Polarization Process.
Forgot to say a known propriety of dielectrics is that they can retain a charge, this don't mean the charge between two electrodes.
And as the water have a conductivity it becomes part of the electrode, an electrode with high resistance thats where the electrons come from.
I guess that if we charge the water this way we will increase its resistance thus with the complement circuit attached to the electrodes you can do apply high voltage low amps to the water and split a huge amount of water...
I think that meyer created the resonance on the water to avoid this losses on the rectifiers, he wanted it to generate just by colliding the ions highly energetically charged. So a duty cycle to the pll is provided as on the schematics there is the indication and make trains of pulses.
The all circuit will become positively charged.. Could be dangerous.
To do this he probably counted that the inductor would keep on charging while dc was happening and would discharge on the off pulse so the reversal voltage turns the molecules and they become gas.
So when he say the resonant frequency depends on the cavity and the coil he is right .
The electrostatic filter, are another double vic coil but this with only dc to capture the ions on the water and keep the water deionized...
Doing this the water conducts even less cause there are less free ions or the like cause they keep trapped in the electric fields. I think that if reverse electric field is applied the ions would be released for cleaning purposes.
Ionizing positively the water (taking electrons out of it) is excellent cause than the conduction happens by the holes.
I think that my resonant schematic is pretty much what must be done but including all this story about the gates and electron extraction.
I really think think that know we should keep it simple stupid.
1° Construct a transformer in the following way: primary 200 turns 24 awg secondary 600 turns 28 awg and one choke on the same transformer (fields aiding) 100 turns. 24awg you need a diode connected between the secondary and the choke high voltage diode. Use a flyback core.
This is the vic field transformer That will be used between the inner tube and the conductive sheet around the container.
The inner tubes are all connected together.
There will be a capacitance. The positive side must be the inner tubes. There will be a capacitance between the inner tube to the outer tube and from the inner tube to the outside of the container and from the outer tubes to the outside of the container. The outer tube is on the middle of the way. On the outside of the container (witch must be very insulated) might be a sheet of copper or aluminum to form the capacitance relative to the inner tube and outer tube. Between the leads that go to the outside of the container and the inner tube there will be a spark gap! It can have a lamp in series or a piece of something that can get really hot. This will consume the electrons, that means that when the transformer reach more high voltage again more electrons will be pulled out of the water. Other means to extract even more electrons from the bath are to be thought of considering all that i wrote since now.
All this must be without connection to any grounded place. No electrons must be replaced. The result is that the water get charged in the container.
Ok i think that the electron extraction circuit is ready.
Now another transformer like this is constructed and will drive the resonant tank formed by the water capacitor and a resonant coil. Just like i proposed 2 years ago. But now having the water charged and the field force the voltage necessary to spit apart the water molecule will become very very small, than now you just need to supply very low voltage at huge amperage, very easily provided with a resonant tank like i proposed 2 years ago. The min voltage will be very small millivolts... So you can have high amperage and use no power. The resonant tank is preferably made of copper bars to maintain the inductance voltage small and current high so as the frequency cause will depend on the tube capacitance. Thats why he used all those tubes, to raise the capacitance. !!!
Whats the difference between water and a piece of acrylic?
Why the acrylic take on a charge if you rub it and it don't lose it? It is because of the intrinsic proprieties of the dielectric. The dielectric took on a charge when you rubbed but as surrounding it there is an insulator (air) it wont conduct to the air so will retain its electric field.
The water is pretty much the same, It need to be in an isolated place so it can take on a charge and this voltage is in relation to the insulation! We couldn't wait that two conductors placed into the water could charge it, cause they both conduct as also water conduct so it would lose a charge if it was not unipolar charge. I mean unipolar cause the thing i'm proposing will charge the water with positive or negative polarity only.
I think there could be used 4 vics in conjunction with one cell. One to create the positive electric field and extract electron from the bath... Other to create the negative field and extract electron from the bath too... And Other to apply a voltage across the water.... And Other to extract electrons from the gas... The important is that all them to form isolated circuit as no electrons from an arbitrary ground can get into the circuit by its overall positive charge.
I think Delrin material will be the best insulation. Its thickness will depend on the electric field you re going to apply. In my opinion a spark gap must be used not only to protect the insulation but will be the mean for switching to create the electron extraction, in the following way.... When the voltage reach a maximum the spark gap fires and the electrons that were taken of the water become an ark that flashes a amp consuming device or a filament coated with some oxide that lower its work function. This way emission can be attained. This emission element will go inside the gas processor, where the electrons will be deflected by the high voltage source and in the way they will collide with oxygen atoms that are also receiving laser energy of a wavelength between 120 and 1800nm. The result is that the oxygen will become highly ionized by collision and this will liberate even more electrons this as will be trapped in similar way in the electric field zone, will than be used as energy source as for taking it out of there to leave the oxygen highly ionized.
Previously Meyer use to use the freed electrons to ionize the hydrogen negatively (electron entrapment) but in the injector version he only injected water.
When you say you have a voltage, you must think first of one thing, in relation to what!
So If he used the water cause of its dielectric and resistance and one set of electrodes as one side of the capacitor than the electrode and some water will get the charge you want given a respect to the geometric configuration. In the sense that you have two relative capacitances as you have 3 capacitors or even only two if is the case.
So if you charge the water with positive voltage than discharge thru an arc into a heating element you will kind of consume some of the electrons, if you continue this operation the water will get a very high voltage charge divided into the bath every water molecule.
Again If you prefer to add also or a negative field into the water you can also consume electrons by the same action.
Yet Differently, you could instead of creating a positive charge on the water molecules, create a negative charge. This can be done applying negative voltage, here the circuit must be connected to the ground thru a diode so the charge can get in but not get out during pulse off of the transformer.
I think the covalent bound will be weakened with both ways cause in one way you are increasing the negative charge of the oxygen causing repulsion to the covalent electron, and other wise you are increasing the positive charge of the hydrogen atom so it attract the covalent electron up to the point that it annulate the dipole, or the force that bound the molecules together.
In that patent they show what is the bound force in Nt. I need to study more about it to be able to precisely talk about it, but generally is this.
The thing is to cause an imbalance in the bath (all water molecules) so you can cancel the covalent bound.
(same process of the recycling of atomic waste)
As here we have a dipole we don't really care with voltage will be used positive or negative cause both will decrease the bound force as i described.
Stan partially explained this on the first movie in the NZ meeting. I just understood how to create and set up the charge on the water molecules and maintain the charge.
I'm also thinking if theres wont be an energy generating from capacitance change effect that will happen with a certain way of connecting things. I read a patent about this and for me seem exactly what the guy was doing too.
I would really like to know your impressions guys...
This is the vic sync pulse ... You see the 0v is the outer tube both positives are the inner tube and the virtual ground is the outer side of the capacitor outside the bath...
I'm saying this in reference to what stan said that in the process electrons will be ejected from the water bath. So bath and not the molecules them self.
If you allow the inner tubes to be one side of the capacitor and a conductive sheet outside of the container to be the other side of the capacitor, and you charge the capacitor being the water side the positive, you must agree with me that the electrons from the water will be directed to the outside forming the negative and leaving the water with less electrons... Now If you keep discharging and trying to consume this electrons you will end up with a deficiency of electrons in the bath. This raise the charge of the positive H+ ions and the negative charge of the oxygen atoms.. As the oxygen become more negative than it was this negatively will repel the covalent bound thus weakening it.
This is stans words from the NZ video The first part.
Anyway i'm thinking here and the best way to extract those electrons from the bath and to consume them is to have a spark gap so that when the voltage reach maybe 40kv across the plexiglass the gap fires discharging into a emissive element...
In my opinion there must be still another following the same principle and thus extract more electrons from the gases too.
The series inductance don't allow the gap to short the source...
Yes but theres the other EEC schematic with the series resistor too...
But actually what i mean Is that if you make of water and the plexyglass another capacitor, this one will have very good insulation... So you can charge the water and discharge thru the light emiting element to actually consume the electrons inside the bath. So that there is a voltage between the water and the outside of the plexyglass. Stan say that when water get charged if will have other forces acting on the covalent bound thus this will weaken it.
The SCR diode is a duty cycle pulse former much in the same manner as the pulse former 27 of FIG. 1. The SCR diode 90 is operational in a conventional manner and the diode 91 is a conventional blocking diode. The operation and function of the resonant cavity is much in the same manner as that of FIG. 1 plate exciters 50a-50n.[/font][/size]
In a Hydrogen Resonant Cavity Furnace, the pulse repetition rate is matched to the wavelength distance between the two exciter plates to maximize the rate of generation to voltage amplitude. The flame is pulsed form a first gradient level to a lower gradient level--but not off. The lower gradient level is sufficient to maintain at all times the amplitude to sustain resonance.[/font][/color]
[/size]Synchronized with the voltage level control of the switching of the duty cycle pulse, is variable pulse circuit 97. The switch 95 provides the demand control to be programmed, that is, the voltage amplitude and the duty cycle pulses.[/size][/size] The SCR switching circuit 90 converts the d.c. voltage pulse output of the rectifier 15 to duty pulses. The duty cycle pulse being variable in pulse repetition rate to match the distance in wavelength of the spacing of the plate exciters 86 and 87. Diode 98 is a blocking diode.[/color]
The resonant cavity described and disclosed therein, is a result of the discovery that when the distance between two stationary bodies is equal in wavelength to the frequency of the movement of an object going back and forth therebetween, the movement of the object will go into resonance. The motion is greatly enhanced and with a repetitive sustained force. The principle applied to the hydrogen and oxygen gas generator of the present invention results in the movement of the water molecules and the atoms to an attractive field will be greatly enhanced when the frequency of the back and forth movement is matched to the wavelength of the distance between the pair of plate exciters. The amplitude is increased to the minimum for resonance. The voltage amplitude thereafter is maintained at the minimum and raised from the minimum for an increase in gas generation. The minimum is the lower gradient level illustrated in the waveforms of the figures. Since resonance is a matter of matching a physical distance with frequency of the back and forth motion over that distance, matching the particular frequency to the particular wavelength, can be with either d.c. voltage pulses or the duty cycle pulses. The resonant cavity is depicted in FIG. 4 pictorially. It is understood that the exciter plates 50a-50n of FIG. 1 become resonant cavities by matching the distance between the exciters to a pulse frequency of the same wavelength. In FIG. 4 and 4C, the duty cycle pulses are matched in pulse repetition rate to the plate distance. In FIG. 4A and 4B, the frequency of the pulsed d.c. voltage is matched to the distance in wavelengths of the plate exciters. With the frequency of one of the set of pulses matched to the resonant wavelength, the frequency of the other set of pulses is varied to further control the electron leakage and/or to vary the rate of generation of the gasses.
What i see: The wave length for 1mm gap would be laser frequency. So i think is not exactly this... So i guess still the frequency must be calculated by the ions drift speed from one side to the other to know the time will take for the ion to travel that distance. This must be matched with the duty cycle say stan. One thing is that the speed will depend on the voltage and distance and will be limited to the ion speed. So or will be full wave length or half so the ions encounter in the middle to generate the gas...
Gas starts at 15v and goes good at around 30v but then milliamps start creeping in. You can crank voltage up and use amps it seems. This phenomenon is all new for me so I'll have to triple check everything yet.
The strips are 1" wide not 3/4". Voltage with ungrounded probe is 1460v at cell+. ? The jump and blossoming of the waveform when resonance is reached is quite dramatic. I'll be trying short trains of pulses next I suppose.
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ps, throw one together for yourself
Nice! I'm doing one for testing here... when ready i post a video and some pictures. Whet you mean by ungrounded probe? I think that your water is not much pure, with my water here for 30ma i get 400v across the tubes... no gas however... Br
As the stepped-up pulse enters first inductor (formed from 100 turns of 24 gauge wire 1 inch in diameter), an electromagnetic field is formed around the inductor, voltage is switched off when the pulse ends, and the field collapses and produces another pulse of the same polarity; i.e., another positive pulse is formed where the 50% duty cycle was terminated. Thus, a double pulse frequency is produced; however, in a pulse train of unipolar pulses, there is a brief time when pulses are not present.
This mean that the inductor is not in the same core of the transformer.
Fig 7 and 8 Hydrogen Gas ions (negatively charged) Light absorption _ Electron entrapment
Fig 9 110v 60hz going into a full bridge rectifier than to the primary of a step up transformer, That is only gated to create pulse trains... That goes into another step up (vic now) Than to the diode and the two separated charging chokes ( being one variable with a shorted segment) !!!
fig 11 Pot 59 control the intensity of the optocouplers diodes to control the power output probably....
Very cool! Thanks for the info. Did you noticed gas production? What were the voltage across the water? I'm finishing my new setup of the vic i'm going to have it all finished maybe tomorrow or sunday. I'm finishing the variable coil right now.
? The jump and blossoming of the waveform when resonance is reached is quite dramatic. I'll be trying short trains of pulses next I suppose.