sebosfato

Don you mean that this "dowls" cross the inner tube thru this holes and thus work like spacers? What was this dowls made of? Plastic" well makes a lot of sense! 

Also intriguing is the yellowish color that is already perceptible in the old videos...And Interesting that inside the inside tube too, I think is a kind of resin water resistant to enclose the electric field only in the middle between the tubes. I tried to do here but i used transformer insulation liquid, they became yellow too but in the water its color changes become white brown.


The other cool thing is that he made it in such way that he could disassembly it.


I noticed a tube of the diameter of the outer tubes under the base of the inner tubes.. whats that?


I heard that some one said it was a piezoelectric oscillator or something like this...


Thanks a lot Don

15 amps 450v transistor

15 turns 1 inch diameter 18awg each choke

movable plates...

it seems i saw this in the past, but cant remember where

the ground is missing on the bridge rectifier

Me too! Its very suspicious the subtle changes in the text!
Release atomic energy under controlled state by applying electric fields. wow
Makes lot of sense for me, the physicists don't see this, they can only see a chain reaction neutrons and ever lasting radiation...

for me is clean

Thanks Steve, Re-reading once again...

I think this coils are for creating the magnetic bottle, in witch the electrons emitted from the filament together with the ions being deflected by the anode field create a vortex witch makes the electrons to get trapped in the surrounding tube. This create a voltage that than can be discharged in order to take the electrons away.


An electron when flying perpendicular to a magnetic field curves. The geometrical configuration is very important and should not be over looked.

Oh boy


This patent say exactly what stan said in the Nz video that a given electron number equal one volt.


It also talk about what i've being talking about on electron emission-


It says exactly what i said, a heat filament having a negative field ( to repel the electrons) and all this inside a copper tube connected to the ground. 

Hello guys, just found this:

I typed (trap elctrons) on google and found this:

http://www.rexresearch.com/nelson/nelson.htm

He in the first rigs in the patent talk about magnetic bottle.

In the new video of stan that i saw from 1997, he talk about vortex and electromagnetic bottle...

But the best is this

A magnetic bottle is the superposition of two magnetic mirrors. For example, two parallel coils separated by a small distance, carrying the same current in the same direction will produce a magnetic bottle between them. Particles near either end of the bottle experience a magnetic force towards the center of the region; particles with appropriate speeds spiral repeatedly from one end of the region to the other and back. Magnetic bottles can be used to temporarily trap charged particles. This technique is used to confine very hot plasmas with temperatures of the order of 106 K. In a similar way, the Earth's non-uniform magnetic field traps charged particles coming from the sun in doughnut shaped regions around the earth called the "Van Allen radiation belts", which were discovered in 1958 using data obtained by instruments aboard the Explorer 1 satellite.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_mirror

Steve, yes heat is one of the ways. Anything that is hot emit IR photons. And also a gas when hot enough it will liberate electrons, emission...


Photons are transaction between exited states. When an atom get exited it will than absorb energy, but soon it will lose this energy in the form of a quantized photon. Lasers work this way the atoms are exited but are prevented from coming to the closer energy state, lets say instead of coming back only one state it will jump two for example. In the molecules the same happens.



Heat is also know as kinetic energy. So If you increase the speed (accelerate) the atoms under voltage field you can increase its heat. Thats how field emission, xray... works.


I just watched two new videos of stan in Tony's youtube channel. Where he speak of vortex and other things that weren't present on the others.
In some of his drawings on the presentation he shows voltage zone as Static.


I believe he used laser just to initially ionize some molecules of oxygen than the acceleration witch he call (electron deflection) to impart high energy state to the oxygen, than he simply inject the oxygen and water and non combustible gases in a voltage zone and the magic happens.


I know the ions can get up to 10000°k in this process and therefore it must be a question of probability.


Stan said that in one gallon of water you have a energy equivalent to 2,5 million .... oil 


So what is the % of the ions that we really need to be able to ionize in order to run a car? Very small!


I think he uses his own electrons as the source of the electrons also to cause ionization by collision in the way, by having the amp consuming device as the central electrode of the gas processor for example. could be,...

A kind of magic... plasma limit frequency


electron paramagnetic resonance


movement and deflection of electrons

Quote from: ali on June 26, 2012, 19:52:14 pm

its all about the resonant frequency of the choke !!!!!! thats what restricts amps on each side

Ok, so what are the parameters to build a choke with a SRF (self resonating frequency) of 5kHz, for example.

TS

For that you need a high permeability core and dielectric constant on the insulator...

Probably a thicker wire without insulation very close one turn from the other but without touching wound around a closed toroid high permeability and under a very pure water... or filled with barium titanate ...


 You want high inductance and capacitance per turn...

Another way to do that is thru the use of foil copper to roll the coil but you still need to add a core to it to lower the frequency down to 5 khz ... i would guess. The greater the number of turns the greater is the number of series of parallel resonant circuits... its intended to be a rolled foil capacitor like but having only one electrode... as the diameter increases there is going to be differences in the resonant frequencies in series so a the band width increases... to compensate for that the foil can be cut to compensate the capacitance and keep all turns resonant at the same frequency... an increase in insulation can also help compensate.

For me there are two fixed walue chokes and a third wariable one connected to a hidden component across the circuit. The purpose is to balance the unipolar pulses into the cell... And is adjusted according to waters dielectric properties... The woltage across the cell is 180° dephased with pulses coming from the secondary but have the same polarity.

this is my theory of what was he doing...

ah I understood, i've saw that stuff 4 years ago, I had an italian friend who payed 1200 euros for one from a Romanian guy. He had this installed at the car and claimed some better millage. When i told him that the wire was ss and not platinum like the guy said he felt like a fool.

You made a 50 feet SS coil and applied dc to it under water?

sebos

Thanks

Thats clear for me now.

Is ok to run into confusion with so many terms.

I'm still curious about the light string stuff. it would be a serious flaw in ohms law. Even resistors won't have the same resistance. they have an acceptable range of precision. I think lamps are much worst precision in resistance.

Once i made a series cell with around 30 plates and connected the battery only to the end plates, the result was that only the end plates generated gas but i attributed this to the fact that they were all sitting in water and that probably the current preferred to leak thru the water than follow the plates route.

About the lights string this fact is new to me. I still strongly believe is only about contact resistances and non equal share of temperatures. If it do behave as you described, those close to ground are dimmed? How do you explain that? If you are using a battery to feed them, what happens if you touch the battery positive to earth ground? what if you simply revert the polarity?

The greater the temperature in a filament the greater or lower is its resistance?
 
 

Hello TS_

Frankly ohms law is not that mystic. The example you gave about the lamps is not very real, they should all light up with same intensity if in series, the problem is that they are not exactly the same in real world and their resistances can even change with temperature. They all share the same current, the current times the resistance give the voltage across each lamp.

A choke creates what is called impedance. Impedance is the following: when you apply a voltage to a circuit having an inductor and the current start to flow it will develop a contrary voltage that in series with the applied one subtracts thereto the load will receive Vapplied - V across inductor. where the last is given by XL=2*pi*f*L and so V=XL*I.

Chokes are designed to block high frequency while allow low frequency to pass. A capacitor does the contrary it blocks low frequency while allo high frequency to pass. they are kind of filters. A microwave has two chokes between the source of current for the filament and the filament of the magnetron... given the freaking high frequency they are quite small.

A resonant choke blocks frequency only within a range, and its impedance is extremely high for the specific frequency. A resonant choke means a coil with a tuning capacitor in parallel with it.

If the capacitor and inductor has the same reactance, at a given frequency they are in resonance. the impedance of the circuit becomes zero. This mean that if you apply the Vt in series the circuit will behave like a resistor. Take a look at stan equations.  If you apply vt in parallel the impedance seeing by the source is maximum so the current will be minimum, however across the circuit the recirculating current is of greater value.


good luck

hope you understand what i mean

In my opinion the vic are made to drive a kind of parallel resonance... And the second choke migh have another purpose...

Another possibility is that stan used the inter-turn capacitance as resonance which is certainly parallel n regard of the source. once i got an incident where my pll tuned to this resonance in a transformer (was around 200khz) and the thing became light blue like a space ship i played with a bit but when i hit harder the thing blowed into fire. It was a toroidal core and the wire was steel that has a black plastic insulation, i couldn't find this wire anywhere again.

This would explain why he coupled the feedback into the transformer and not in an external coil.

The greater problem is the oxygen atom release the electron. The heat interacts quantum mechanically.  The heat raise the possibility for an electron to be ionized with a lower potential than was theoretically predicted as a minimum. The heat increase the speed water molecules vibrates..

No electron can effectively cross the water, actually the electron makes its run only around the circuit... in the water only ions move.

Stan might have tried to pass the electron thru the water to create avalanche effect.

you need for electrolysis two electrons with at least 1,24 ev... for it to happen  i guess

For the record for a photoelectric effect to happen the electron or photon must strike the electrode with an energy greater than the work function...   

Sorry my english might not be really good because i'm autodidact. By the white stuff I meant the small bubbles... At the buggy first run demonstration you clearly see the water bath boiling very vigorously, not just small tiny bubbles...   

I like ICEs since i was 10 years old, i use to dismount and mount it again... Now i got a better figure of its operation since i studied thermodynamics recently at the university and since today i know a lot about sensors and timing and synchronization mechanisms.
I never got any ICE at hands to play with hydrogen, but i read about a lot and saw many people doing it, so i know you don't really need lot of gas to run it lean, however as you just stated it will lack power because you are limited to the battery energy.

If i achieve my goal, to create all the control electronic metering mixing and injecting system will be really easy... 

Since i could never generate as much gas as 60liter per minute or at least 30L yet with just few watts,  I would not go to work on engines yet.. . _Because there will be even more problems to solve. Of course i would be able to try the gas processor, but that really is not my focus now. 

I imagine that if you add some gasoline to the water will help you start the engine and also let you run partly on water, but what is the point if your consuming more energy to generate the gas than it is giving up inside the engine?

Thats why my focus is exclusively to generate loads of gas.