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similarly to magnets moving with coils..

a moving away electron in a sea of free electrons create a hole in place disturbing the other electrons to take its place as if it were a positive charge... similarly the electron coming in repels the electrons there bringing them into movement too

it just popped out in the forums while ago.. allong with another 2 images...

i dont remember who gave us this... unfortunately

Here is pretty clear the polarities reverses...

Yes man!

i think this is my goal... perhaps find a way to see if there is some EASING action could be an indication that it could be the way... water being the lasing medium under discharge, just like a co2 tube...

i think the tubes could be used too with two mirrors on both sides but having a way to let the laser light source get in...

From what i remember lasers have one mirror with 5% transparancy to get the laser out or something

https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/911713

Back to the alternator idea, perhaps as the induction 3 phase motor is not synchronized it’s load in reference to the alternator if connected to a belt as load and as source of electricity will be equivalent to the rpm relation among the two… so if the induction motor is to run at 3600 rpm and the alternator is at 3000 it will be pushing the alternator rpm up with the alternator voltage…. I think it would need to be a multipolar 3 phase motor to get up with the frequency… or maybe the gate could do this job of converting to a lower frenquecy but it would need to be in sync to resonate or something

Yes i understand this... and i think that is what is happening here, up to a point... because things are behaving strange


lets say 10 hz


my field coil has 3 ohms also and 22mh


so at ten hertz the reactance impedance should be 1,4 ohms



so the impedance should be around 4 ohms this should make at least 3 amps flow having 13v, but i'm getting 260ma ..


Is very strange for me... Seems like the armature add a kind of extra impedance to the change of the current direction-- but i'm not sure if this is the case.. .will keep experimenting,


i'm going to try adding a capacitor in parallel or a diode to the field coil and check what happens!


Oh and the most stranger behavior is that at a frequency higher than 10khz the amps start to get higher... at 100khz i get 1,20 amps...


I don't know if is the meter witch is crap... i'm going to try with the other meter witch can measure dc or ac current...


Thanks Donald   

I tried pulsing the alternator and got the following results... (using the same 1/3 hp motor)


Battery will charge if i pulse the field coil and the driving motor fell very little change in speed... i can pulse it from 10hz up to 100khz ... pulsing at 10 hz i get the battery charging a bit charging more than is discharging.. the field coil at this condition have 11v and 260ma 10hz...


If i raise the frequency, the amps get down to almost zero..


when i'm higher than 10khz the amps start to raise and can reach up to 1 amp close to 50khz... at about 700ma(field  coil) the battery get 13,5 volts charging and the motor experiment a bit of force...(slow down just a bit) if i get up to 1 amp it experience big force...


Conclusion : will keep working =) with this motor for now.. .


Strange is that using the voltage regulator the motor will not keep turning... but pulsing the field it will..


I think that at higher pulsing frequencies the field coil or my pulsing circuit is not able to completely reverse the field thus maybe i'm getting dc on the field coil... but i'm not sure... my meters are bit crap...


What do you think about? 

yes i agree with you that simulation is not going to simulate perfectly his strange components and its interactions... however on the simulation the capacitor with the resistor in parallel was the wfc ... i tried to substitute this by a small value 100ohm resistor and worked even better too... what i tried to show with this simulation is that i created a dc off set using the charging chokes mutually coupled and got higher voltage on the "water capacitor" load than the transformer was putting out...  the transformer should only give 360v and i was getting up to 1200 volts with the 10kohm water resistance... using only 70 watts.. well i think this is a good figure.. 


i have figured out another thing


while analyzing the harmonic frequencies coming out from my alternator i get this


Fundamental = 1,140 Hz
2° Harmonic FX2 = 2,280 Hz
3° Harmonic FX3 = 3,420
4° Harmonic FX4 = 4,560
5° Harmonic FX5 = 5,700


Do you remember his equipment electrical polarization process...  X, X2, X3, X4

Got some news on my alternator setup


got frequencies like 1250hz fundamental  and  overtones from positive of the bridge rectifier to the middle of the star connection


got 2450hz and harmonics from full bridge rectifier configuration...  up to 45v


i just have a problem my motor is weak and under load will reduce too much its speed.. i have only a 1/3 hp motor


however


got an interesting idea


What if!!! we oscillate the water with an inductor causing ac resonance, but we provide a dc off set synchronized with the resonance? 
 
in my opinion the alternating current on the water will not have the 1,24volts limitation and so the dc off set will allow that half of the current of the ac voltage to be dc somehow... check this:


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w 496 256 544 336 0
v 96 224 96 320 0 2 10000.0 12.0 0.0 0.0 0.5
w 96 224 192 224 0
d 496 336 496 256 1 0.805904783
T 192 224 288 320 0 0.01 30.0 -3.8312805302159054 0.1281279753822593
r 96 320 192 320 0 0.031
T 368 176 448 256 0 0.0010 1.0 -0.013280367480126981 -0.11484760790211884
w 448 256 448 320 0
c 352 112 464 112 0 1.0E-9 846.3556532423378
d 352 256 352 112 1 0.805904783
w 448 176 352 112 0
w 352 256 368 256 0
w 288 224 288 96 0
w 288 96 400 64 0
w 400 64 464 112 0
r 352 112 400 64 0 10000.0
c 352 256 448 320 0 1.0E-10 -1383.1095449913214
c 368 176 432 224 0 1.0E-10 -1383.0982502691068
w 432 224 448 176 0
l 368 176 464 112 0 0.03 0.026522563918445055
w 288 320 288 352 0
w 448 320 448 352 0
d 288 352 448 352 1 0.805904783
c 288 384 448 384 0 1.0E-7 -386.7594434274493
r 288 416 448 416 0 1.0E8
w 448 384 448 416 0
w 448 384 448 352 0
w 288 352 288 384 0
w 288 384 288 416 0
o 8 1 0 291 1280.0 0.2 0 -1
o 15 1 0 289 640.0 0.2 1 -1
o 9 1 0 289 1280.0 0.4 2 -1
o 5 64 0 33 0.078125 25.6 3 -1
o 19 1 0 35 1280.0 0.4 4 -1
o 15 1 1 291 160.0 9.765625E-5 5 -1


i added some stray capacitances and resistances
adjusting the inductor in series with the coupled chokes (witch generate the dc offset) you minimize the ac voltage or the negative peak...


jst an idea...


result 4 amps 12v


960v across the capacitor having 81v negative peak... would this make electrolysis???


oh and notice that i'm inputing about 50w peak and i'm getting 90w peak across the resistance...


the boton diode is not really needed but help a bit


this second circuit uses a capacitor instead of the inductor in series and get
6,5amps 12v peak 75w consume


but the resistor see a peak of 1,2kv positive and 100v negative with peak 140watts


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v 96 224 96 320 0 2 10000.0 12.0 0.0 0.0 0.5
w 96 224 192 224 0
T 192 224 288 320 0 0.01 30.0 3.4891578105593046 -0.11781053490479582
r 96 320 192 320 0 0.1
T 368 176 448 256 0 0.0010 1.0 0.19521730092645329 0.12404826010594122
w 448 256 448 320 0
c 352 112 464 112 0 1.0E-9 51.92665902947
d 352 256 352 112 1 0.805904783
w 448 176 352 112 0
w 352 256 368 256 0
w 288 224 288 96 0
w 288 96 400 64 0
w 400 64 464 112 0
r 352 112 400 64 0 10000.0
c 352 256 448 320 0 1.0E-10 -59.84658654523578
c 368 176 432 224 0 1.0E-10 -59.790894328792
w 432 224 448 176 0
w 288 320 288 352 0
w 448 320 448 352 0
d 288 352 448 352 1 0.805904783
c 288 384 448 384 0 1.0E-7 -380.3310660406634
r 288 416 448 416 0 1.0E8
w 448 384 448 416 0
w 448 384 448 352 0
w 288 352 288 384 0
w 288 384 288 416 0
c 368 176 432 128 0 9.999999999999999E-5 -7.675582793168587
r 432 128 464 112 0 1.0
o 6 1 0 291 1280.0 0.2 0 -1
o 13 1 0 289 640.0 0.2 1 -1
o 7 1 0 289 640.0 0.8 2 -1
o 3 64 0 33 1.25 25.6 3 -1
o 13 1 1 291 160.0 9.765625E-5 4 -1
o 0 4 1 291 320.0 9.765625E-5 5 -1

Usually output impedances should be low, less than a tenth of the load impedance connected to the output. If an output impedance is too high it will be unable to supply a sufficiently strong signal to the load because most of the signal's voltage will be 'lost' inside the circuit driving current through the output impedance ZOUT. The load could be a single component or the input impedance of another circuit.   

Now
 
here the circuit Wave forms:
 
 
i´m making a study of the current lagging voltage graphics too, for me to understand better this phenomenom ...
 
 

Guys i just figured out how the circuit should be if i would like to trigger the EEC just before current start to flow in the inductor (vic).
 
I basically divide the frequency signal from the pll pin 4 by 2 using a 4017 ic and than combine this 2 diferent signals into a nor gate (4001) witch will create a third positive signal when the 2 signals happen to be both 0 logic. Having the vic the ability to double the frequency, its feedback will need no dividing to close the pll circuit...
 
This will allow me to have a pulse exactly after 90° from the first pulse trigering the vic because the 4429 driver i´m using inverts the signal... other wise i would need to use an and gate instead of a nor gate to have (theoreticaly) the right signal. (also the signal coming from the nor gate must pass thru a optocoupler and again the 4429 as to remain uninverted) as from the drawing
 
 
Don´t complain about the drawings, if is not good enough for you to understand, try drawing it yourself... If you still don´t understand, read the datasheets or google logic gates...
 
 
For the optocoupler part;
 
Must have its own isolated power supply
Regulator 7808 (doing good here) 8v
than
in series with the laser diode a 500ohm resistor (this must beconnected to the nor gate circuit grownd and output )
 
Than the emiter of the opto must go to the isolated grownd such as the 4429 grownd too
 
the colector from the opto should go to the pin 2 of the 4429 and from the same pin 2 should go a 1 or 2 kohm resistor to the isolated positive
 
Basically only the diode of the optocoupler should be connected to the first circuit
 
When the puse go to the optocoupler it will short the pin 2 from the 4429 to the ground making it to start conducting...
 
i´m going to build this circuit today for doing some tests
 
 
 
 
 
I´m trying to understand
 
Are you?
 
i Would not like to talk alone.
 
 

http://physics.bu.edu/~duffy/py106/ACcircuits.html
 
Great reading
 

I discovered today that hot water will conduct 3 times more.


the water from the rain i had was the best one but i have no more...

Hello i just figure out something:
 
I said that my water was 60ohm righ
 
I calculated the capacitance to be around 1,5 nf so to charge it up to 12v should be only needed 18 nano coulombs witch is the same as 18 nano amps applied for 1 second...
 
This mean that my water here is way too much conductive...
 
I was thinking about the 200 ma / 18 nano ampere  is almost 10.000.000 times more conductive than is able to retain charge...
 
This mean that if i have a period of 1 ms i would need to apply 18 micro amp to charge up the water up to 12v but i would still have 200ua passing as a power lost
 
i hope you start understanding the impedance relation ;
 
I have just bought some demineralized water and i´m going to perform some test now...  if is not enought monday i will buy some bi distiled water.
 
I believe that this is one of the keys
 
than other important thing is to heat up the water to aid self ionization... maybe add laser energy too...
 
 
If all this don´t work i will try using another couple of electrodes (honey comb like) inside the tubes to act as the electron extraction grid stan mention...
 
many ideas
 
 

Important things:
 
The impedance of the water charging circuit must be high.
 
The impedance of the ions discharging ciruit must be low.
 
The frequency must double. as water will see a kind of full wave rectied current. being one of the pulses generated by the ions discharge...
 
I believe there are many ways of achieving the effect but stan tried to cover all them...
 
The best i belive is this to consume the ions energy to further increase voltage separation... and so on...
 
The restric current coil or amp inibhiting coil i thought of a coil witch will share both the currents going in oposite directions so closing the circuit but not allowing the electrons influx and also not allow the water to discharge;... 
 
But this implie a center tap on the coils;;; or something else that i didn´t imagined yet.
 

Hello guys
 
i did more tests today and i found again that strange effect.
 
I developed a schematic for the electron extraction that could work for the vic setup in witch the primary resonates with the water for the discharge cycle and the secondary charge the capacitor..
 
Basically i think that the secondary must have a diode and in series a coil with fields aiding, this will form an electron pump or a very high impedance and unipolar output, while for the next cycle when the pulse on the primary is reversed the coil is connected to the cell thru one igbt, (having alredy the positive from the battery connected to one of the sides of the cell) thus discharging the ion and restricting amps as the transformer will be full of energy from the discharge....  The coil alredy energyzed but with reversed polariti will than discharge the ions... The vic configuration (secondary with coil in series with a diode there between) with the primary being pulsed but than discharged inside the water instead of reversing the pulse..
 
Do you understand what i mean?
 
Now i´m trying to figure a way to do this with the alternator but i´m starting to think that is more complicated...
 
 
I need to make many many tests...
 
Oh mike, about the variable inductor, you could be right or wrong, however there are no limits for an inductor...
 
one thing that crossed my mind is that it could be there to cancel out the other inductor action as a mean for fine tuning the impedance of the secondary...
 
who knows..
 
Steve i´m going to check again your schematic...

~hELLO
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I GUESS I DISCOVERED THE FUNCTION OF THE MOVABLE WIPER COIL
 
IT IS THERE TO ACT AS A PATH FOR THE IONS TO DISCHARGE THEIR ENERGY BY INDUCING FURTHER VOLTAGE IN THE OTHER RESONANT CHARGING CHOKE. hOWVER ITS IMPEDANCE SHOULD BE MAYBE MORE THAN 10 TIMES SMALLER THAN THAT OF THE WATER OTHER WISE CURRENT WILL LIKE TO DISCHARGE INSIDE THE WATER.. .
 
pICTURE THIS
 
yOU HAVE 1000 VOLTS THRU WATER
 
yOU DISCHARGE THIS THRU A COIL WITH 10 OHMS IMPEDANCE, YOU WILL GET 100 AMPS;
 
iF THIS 100 AMPS BY TRANSFORMER ACTION INDUCE A VOLTAGE IN THE OTHER COIL DURING PULSING OPERATION WITCH IS 10 TIMES BIGGER YOU WILL HAVE 10000 VOLTS BEING INDUCED AT 10 AMPS  AND SO ON
 
sO IF THE CONTAMINANTS CHANGE THE FREQUENCY WILL ALSO CHANGE BECAUSE WILL CHANGE THE SPEED AND THE AMOUNT OF IONS THAT WILL BE DISCHARGED IN RELATION TO THE CHARGE WITCH IS GETING IN THE CAPACITOR FOR EACH CYCLE.
 
baSICALY YOU NEED TO HAVE TWO COILS WITH RIGHT PROPORTION AND COUPLING TO REACH THE WATER IONIC RESONACE..
 
i GUESS THE FREQUENCY WILL BE DICTATED BY THE MUTUAL INDUCTANCE. . ALLONG WITH THE DIELECTRIC OF WATER AND ITS CONTAMINANTS;;;
 
 

i JUST NEED TO FINISH ONE MORE OPTOCOUPLER DRIVER CIRCUIT FOR THE IGBTS AND SOLDERING EVERY THING... I´M GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO SOME TESTS IN THE END OF THE DAY...
 
 
i WILL TRY IT STEVE...
 
thANKS

I have to say that, stan was not a stupid he was very speciaslised scientist in contrary to what seemed, because he knew that anyone with enough knowledge would be able to understand and repeat what he was doing, the way he hided his secretes was a tentative to protect him against those with knowledge in the prior art;;; I aways knew that the knowledge was the way... I´m not a chemist not a physicist, not a mathematian, i´m a musician and a scientist, i studied so hard in this 5 years about hydrogen, water, energy...  that i can tell you, i don´t find anyone not even in the university that speek my language, they are aways busy with their lifes, i believe those are not scientists, they don´t even want to understand... 
 
The only people witch can understand what i´m saying are you...