sebosfato

So, guys i would like to hear more about you all that is reading this thread.. what do you think about the voltage perform work theory that i came up with? Now that some time passed, i think that you are now more able to visualize what i´m saying. That stan talked about voltage causing self ionization of water and than performed work separating the charges on the dielectric using no energy from the conventional current... and that than discharged those ions generating electricity witch was applied instantaneously to the resonant charging choke and that by transformer action cause the voltage to build up even further! What do you think about the fact that the movable wiper coil was to be the primary that induce on the "secondary" resonant charging choke voltage, and for that reason it should be able to change its inductance value to perfectly tune to the dielectric and resitance proprieties of the water, and to get the rioght ratio between voltage and current, to maximize the resonant effect. 
 
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I HAVE JUST ATACHED THE FIELD COIL AND ONE OF THE PHASES ON THE PCOSCOPE AND I NOTICED THAT DOES NOT MATTER THE FREQUENCY I PULSE ON THE FIELD COIL IT WIL AWAYS BE 120HZ ON THE PHASE COIL...
 
vERY STRANGE ISN´T ?
 
I´M THINKING ABOUT CREATING A SIMPLE FREQUENCY GENERATOR TO USE WITH THE MOTOR DRIVING THE ALTERNATOR TO BE ABLE TO CHANGE THE RPM... WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT?

This is exactly what i have here exept that i have 4x cd4017 divide by 10 and a 4 way switch giving me range from 150khz to 10 hz
 
 
The circuit as it is give you a range from 1khz up to 150khz, if you change the 1nf capacitor by a 10nf capacitor you will get from 100 hz up to 15khz ...
 
 
THERE WAS ONLY ONE ERROR IN THIS SCHEMATIC, THE POSITIVE GOING TO THE FIELD COIL DON´T COME STRAIGHT FROM THE BATTERY BUT FROM THE SWITCH... !  NOW IS CORRECT!!!!!!!!

Yes steve hopfully in the end of the day today i will get it to work. Cross your thingers too ... =)
 
I tried to make the pulse transformer on the ferrite core (antena rod) not very gud i think is because the permeability is low, i´m trying to figure out another way easy with no need to build more 2 driver circuits with also two new isolated power supplies...
 
 
 if anyone can help, basically i need to send +- 15 v to the igbts gates at 50 ma i will than use some zener to limit the voltage... The main problem is that both igbts must be isolated from ground and each other.,.
 
thanks

Hello guys
 
I´m finishing to construct the thing i created a new pll cd4046 circuit with 4429 driver and 4 divide byu 10 dividers cd4017 giving it a range of 150kz to 10hz very precise frequency. i´m using a irfp 250  as the transistor and i´m using simply a 60APU06 diode in parallel with the field coil of the alternator. This circuit is being supplied by 12v from car batery... and regulated by a lm7812...
obs nothing get hot
 
only the motor that is driving the alternator, is a 300 watts motor and is fixed speed, i´m getting 120hz out from the alternator witch indicates that the rpm is about 1200 i think, please correct me if i´m wrong... 
 
Now i need to finish my coil its like this:
i used as coil former a pvc pipe about 10cm diameter  25cm long, i separated two pieces of 22 meters (one for each coil)  of 35amp wire (those for house wiring, I think is 6mm2 area,) that allowed me to make a coil of about 90 turns divided in two layers (well insulated with nomex (transformer HighV isolation) and resulted about 246uh of inductance... Now i´m going to coil the other coil on another pvc pipe witch is a litle bigger than the first one just got one here that matches perfect the size, so i can move one coil in relation to the other to be able to change the coupling... I will also make taps on it to change its transformer action ratio =) inductance... 
 
than i will just need to make the circuits for the drivers of the igbts... but afer that i finish this coil i will try using only two diodes... to check if i get some resonance...
 
Oh my filtered water here connected to the alternator builded up only few bubles and at 3,8 volts...
 
 
 

DO YOU REMEMBER THE STAN HAND DRAWINGS, CHECK THEM OUT ANOTHER TIME.
 
oPEN AN OLD PHYSICS CHEMISTRY BOOK AND YOU SEE THE REPRESENTATION JUST THE SAME AS HE DID...
 
 

i TRIED TO BUT DIDN´T UNDERSTOOD... WHY THE FULL WAVE BRIDGE AND THE RESISTOR IN SERIES WITH THE CAPACITOR, I THINK YOU REPRESENTED THE 3 PHASES RIGHT?
 
I´M WORKING ON A SCHEMATIC, ACTUALLY ITS READY AND IS =TO THE ELECTRON EXTRACTION STAN SHOWED BUT THE SECONDARY IS ONE OF THE PHASES OF THE ALTERNATOR AND THE FIELD COIL IS FEED WITH THE AC RESONANT FREQUENCY..
 
tHE FACT IS THAT MY COMPUTER GOT BROKEN SOMEHOW SO I CANNOT MAKE ANY DRAWINGS AND I HAVE NO SCANNER OR ANYTHING THAT I COULD USE TO COMUNICATE BETTER WITH YOU...
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bUT THE ALTERNATOR BEING CONSTANTLY PUSHED BY THE MOTOR WILL GIVE IT THE ABILITY OF ACCELERATE IF DIRECT CURRENT FROM FROM ITS SECONDARIES... iF THE FIELD COIL IS FEED WITH AC ... YOU JUST NEED TO FIND THE RIGHT POLARITY OF THE TWO COILS. AND REMEMBER THEY SHOULD BE COULPLED...
 
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS?

Here is food for your brain, Fabio.
 
Hope you like it.
 
As you can see, is the second battery, or capacitor, charged with the EEC...
So, every new pulse is done with a higher voltage on the primary coil...
Meaning, the wfc gets a higher shot and the EEC delivers more volts to the cap/battery.
So, it is step charging............
 
 
Steve

This is the spirit but i'm not sure if will work exactly like that.
Did you tried it already?




Today i think that i understood the alternator operation. You will give to the field coil the the pulses at the resonant frequency, and than it will charge the water and make the current to pass... Being the field coil alternating current and the other coils direct current coming from the ions the alternator should almost self run. the alternator speed will not change the resonant frequency but i guess there might be an optimum rpm.
I will buy an analogue voltage reducer for my motor and finish to assembly it now.


The adjustable coil is just needed on the other two circuits connected to the other windings of the alternator, because as it is phase locked with one resonating circuit, he than need to fine tune the other two...


After the alternator i'm gonna use a 30amps 5mh bifilar coil  witch will be my resonant coil. It will be connected just like stan show on the electron extraction circuit.  But being the resonant chokes = to this coil (the secondary will be the alternator)
 

notice your mistake seb.. 1 amp is inacurate because you not accounting for the 2 extra volts being superimpsed onto the 12 volt battery!!:)  that 2 volts raised the amperage of the 12 volt 1 amp by .1662 amps! (volts out power resistance raising amps as volts go up in ANY material conducting)
man i feel like i gain the key to the universe lol
i can see the ratio for acceleration of signal in a medium now..

we must learn drift velocities of electrons.. we must refraim from the example of amps in reference to how may electrons pass a given point to how fast they travel in a medium under different potentials.. need to know how long the travel from a to b is in the cell gap..

Yes you are right! the resistance would not change...=) Yes they accelerate but mainly on conductive materials there are so many of them that they move very slow. There is a mit lecture about this on you tube electricity and magnetism...   


We should be able to calculate yes the mobility of the ions in water too. Tonight i'm going to the university to consult a teacher specialized in atomic physics...

Quote from: sebosfato on August 31, 2010, 10:53:22 am

Hope you understand what i mean.

The xc and XL i understand, but in your schematic i dont understand it..
Can you explain it to me?
 
Steve

Which one you are talking about??

Outlawstc you are right! i was confused there are 12 poles on my alternator thus 6 Hz per rpm. I also forgot to count that rpm is per minute thus 60 seconds. Thank you for pointing that!
=)
Sebos

Questions to you all out there:
 
We have 2 battery's.
1. 2V and 100 amps
2. 12V and 1 amp
 
What happen if we hook them up in serie. (all components can handle 100 amps)
Might it be that we get 14V potential diff and 101 amps current?
 
Steve

Quick answer to that:


you will end up with 14 volts 1 amp.


But if you have a battery of 12v giving 5 amp and other in parallel 12v giving 100 amp you have 105 amp.

What you mean by blocking? It depends. The 1 when he approach the magnet he create a current on the coil, when he move it again he create another current. If we were to try to compare would be like you approach the magnet and than you approach the magnet again. But in our case the second approach will be generated by the ions current.


I was starting to think if stan didn't use his tubes as the coil.. but i'm not so sure.


I will stop a bit with theory and see practically, if will work. I guess it will...


If it works will mean that my theory holds.


If not we must find the right phase and combinations of coils capacitors and diodes... And is done. Because certainly the energy come from the ions.

Cool steve, bring more info about that if you can...


Today i bought some stuff that i will need for doing the circuits


I got this for today
2 igbts 
toshiba mg50q2ys40

The guy actually borrowed me this two it would cost here about 350 euro, this were already used...


4 tc 4429 inverter drivers     
4 4n25 optocouplers     http://www.datasheetcatalog.net/pt/datasheets_pdf/4/N/2/5/4N25.shtml
5 cd 4046 pll
5 cd 4001 nor gates
3 pre perforated pcb boards
connectors for my new pc oscilloscope
I also got a 50 amp 1000v full bridge rectifier and other 2 1000v 10 amps rectifier


I will still need some more stuff... I have spent equivalent to 50 euros for this stuff...


Now i need to tell you


I was talking to my chemistry teacher this morning and i told him about the project and during our conversation i realized something.
When he told me that instantaneously if you switch between the two igbts the charges will not hold there on the electrode. (if we turn of the voltage) So i realized that maybe there is only one 1igbt and the other might only be a diode, because it will keep the capacitor charged not allowing it to discharge...


And also that maybe this pulse to the igbt must be twice the frequency of the transformer and should start 90° after the first pulse.


Because this way voltage will be at max when you allow the ions to discharge...


=)

Hello guys i need your help to make this project to finish as soon as possible.


I need the following, if you can help me good, if not stay tuned and learn too.


I need a variable voltage supply that variate from 3 volts up to 14 volts up to 5 amps.  Any schematics would help.


I need a good program for using the pc as an oscilloscope. using the sound card. If you can help indicating me one program i thank you.


I need some information about how to drive a 3 phase motor.


I also need to find a good optocoupler with up to 5kv isolation that can drive igbts and or a driver to drive that igbt also...


That igbt..




The rest i get here already.


Well thank you everyone for reading. I believe that finally we found the answer.


cheers 
 

Ok i got the old computer back to life today and now i have an oscilloscope. Thanks god. . Just need to find a mouse.


yes i think must be all in synchronistic than you just chose with how much pulses you want to put in turning on or of the pll... on pin 5

This is exactly what i'm saying

Quote from: sebosfato on August 29, 2010, 20:48:44 pm

Check this drawing

 
What you do on this schematic is adding the voltage that you extract to the secondairy voltage? Like normally the secondairy produces 10V. By using the extracted voltage, you basically add a coil like battery to the secondairy.
When the extracted pulse delivers a 10V also, you end up with 20V?
 
Again, i just try to understand..

I basically discharged the ions into a isolated circuit witch will discharge their energy in form of magnetic field (increasing the aways rising voltage across the water) Using the secondary coil as a second primary coil than there is another coil witch might or might not be coupled to the other coil on the top... 


The extracted voltage will be equal to the input voltage but the amperage will be high i believe. I'm not sure if is actually needed to add a load, but i believe that the energy will be accumulated on the transformer and used in sequenced pulses to increase voltage every pulse.

I thought i little better and i'm going to make a simple square wave generator and variate the frequency using the transformer i have here if i find some resonance i will than make the pll feed back.. . I will use just a square wave 50% generator... 4046 and a driver with the 2 optocouplers with its owns isolated power sources... and Those might be igbts i believe about 60 amps its ok to start, with the high amp diodes in series to ensure that the circuit keep closed  ... =) 






 

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