Stans theory on bringing atoms in an unstable state
Started by unknown · · 20 posts · last reply 27 April 2011
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Stan Meyer talked often that his system worked, because of his effort in bringing the atoms of his HHO gas into an unstable state. As far as i understand it, you need less unstable gas as when you need stable gas in the burning proces, because of the energy state of unstable gas.
I just read that exitation into higher energy levels can be achieved by adding heat.
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aangeslagen_toestand
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excited_state
I know that the first link is in dutch, but go have a look on the pictures.
They look like Stans exitation pictures..........
When the atom receives enough energy, the electrons will cease to be bound and the atom becomes IONISED.......
Ionizing can be achieved by adding photons (light), high voltage and so it seems, also by use of heat.
That last option is new for me.
And made me think.
Which gas produces to highest temp on metal? Yes, HHO gas.
Who showed many times a flame as construction for making non combustable gasses?
Yes, Stan the man.
Who said that the USA where not happy Stan filing his patents AFTER they understood all patents together?
Did Stan Meyer just made HHO with electrolysis and then ionised the Hydrogen and oxygen gasses with help of heat?
To keep the gasses into that exited state he added ionised ambient air in the proces?
And to keep those gasses as long as possible into that excited state, didnt he uses a system to pull the released electrons away from the gasses?
Steve
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Stan Meyer talked often that his system worked, because of his effort in bringing the atoms of his HHO gas into an unstable state. As far as i understand it, you need less unstable gas as when you need stable gas in the burning proces, because of the energy state of unstable gas.
Steve,
I just read that exitation into higher energy levels can be achieved by adding heat.
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aangeslagen_toestand
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excited_state
I know that the first link is in dutch, but go have a look on the pictures.
They look like Stans exitation pictures..........
When the atom receives enough energy, the electrons will cease to be bound and the atom becomes IONISED.......
Ionizing can be achieved by adding photons (light), high voltage and so it seems, also by use of heat.
That last option is new for me.
And made me think.
Which gas produces to highest temp on metal? Yes, HHO gas.
Who showed many times a flame as construction for making non combustable gasses?
Yes, Stan the man.
Who said that the USA where not happy Stan filing his patents AFTER they understood all patents together?
Did Stan Meyer just made HHO with electrolysis and then ionised the Hydrogen and oxygen gasses with help of heat?
To keep the gasses into that exited state he added ionised ambient air in the proces?
And to keep those gasses as long as possible into that excited state, didnt he uses a system to pull the released electrons away from the gasses?
Steve
Wouldn't that be the "Steam resonator" ?
Stan said he used it when water is frozen in the watertank and it is a part of the WFC system combined.
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Steve, yes heat is one of the ways. Anything that is hot emit IR photons. And also a gas when hot enough it will liberate electrons, emission...
Photons are transaction between exited states. When an atom get exited it will than absorb energy, but soon it will lose this energy in the form of a quantized photon. Lasers work this way the atoms are exited but are prevented from coming to the closer energy state, lets say instead of coming back only one state it will jump two for example. In the molecules the same happens.
Heat is also know as kinetic energy. So If you increase the speed (accelerate) the atoms under voltage field you can increase its heat. Thats how field emission, xray... works.
I just watched two new videos of stan in Tony's youtube channel. Where he speak of vortex and other things that weren't present on the others.
In some of his drawings on the presentation he shows voltage zone as Static.
I believe he used laser just to initially ionize some molecules of oxygen than the acceleration witch he call (electron deflection) to impart high energy state to the oxygen, than he simply inject the oxygen and water and non combustible gases in a voltage zone and the magic happens.
I know the ions can get up to 10000°k in this process and therefore it must be a question of probability.
Stan said that in one gallon of water you have a energy equivalent to 2,5 million .... oil
So what is the % of the ions that we really need to be able to ionize in order to run a car? Very small!
I think he uses his own electrons as the source of the electrons also to cause ionization by collision in the way, by having the amp consuming device as the central electrode of the gas processor for example. could be,... -
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Hello guys, just found this:
I typed (trap elctrons) on google and found this:
http://www.rexresearch.com/nelson/nelson.htm
He in the first rigs in the patent talk about magnetic bottle.
In the new video of stan that i saw from 1997, he talk about vortex and electromagnetic bottle...
But the best is this
A magnetic bottle is the superposition of two magnetic mirrors. For example, two parallel coils separated by a small distance, carrying the same current in the same direction will produce a magnetic bottle between them. Particles near either end of the bottle experience a magnetic force towards the center of the region; particles with appropriate speeds spiral repeatedly from one end of the region to the other and back. Magnetic bottles can be used to temporarily trap charged particles. This technique is used to confine very hot plasmas with temperatures of the order of 106 K. In a similar way, the Earth's non-uniform magnetic field traps charged particles coming from the sun in doughnut shaped regions around the earth called the "Van Allen radiation belts", which were discovered in 1958 using data obtained by instruments aboard the Explorer 1 satellite.
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Oh boy
This patent say exactly what stan said in the Nz video that a given electron number equal one volt.
It also talk about what i've being talking about on electron emission-
It says exactly what i said, a heat filament having a negative field ( to repel the electrons) and all this inside a copper tube connected to the ground. -
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Guys, Here's a fun read on topic. My son and I may make this this afternoon.
Sparking buckets This article is on loan from Wayne Plummer, and can also be found on his original page as well.(http://bizarrelabs.com/images/dot_clear.gif)--ed. One day in 1976, I (Wayne Plummer (plum@cix.compulink.co.uk)) and some school-chums were poking around in an old pile of magazines on top of a cupboard in the Physics Department at Exeter School and we found a description of a fascinating sounding experiment called the "Sparking buckets". We showed this to our Physics Teacher who said it did look interesting, but that these things almost always turned out to be disappointing.
Luckily, he didn't put us off and we proceeded to try it - it was a great success; here's how it goes:
Ingredients You will need.Two buckets (plastic or metal) Six expanded polystyrene cups Two wire coat-hangers Two heavy weights Two pipette nozzles Some thin flexible tubing (aquarist air-hoses?) One T-piece for the tubing Two taps to regulate flow through the tubing Something to support the tubing over the buckets A water source Somewhere waterproof to do it all!Method This is how you put all the ingredients together:Stand the buckets with the rims about 5cm apart on three expanded polystyrene cups apiece; do this in a waterproof location (e.g. a bath?). Straighten out the wire coat-hangers (ask the owner's permission first!). Bend the end into a loop of about 1cm diameter (the water will flow through this loop). Attach the other end of the coat-hangers to one weight apiece. Stand a weight in each bucket and arrange the wires so that they pass within 1cm of each other and then stand with their loops over the opposite bucket. Set up the tubing, pipette-nozzles, T-piece and taps as shown in the following diagram, supporting it all as best you can (sticky-tape it to the bathroom wall?) Introduce water into the tubing in a reliable and constant manner. Carefully adjust the two taps so that you're getting smooth flow from the pipette-nozzles that subsequently breaks into droplets just about where the water passes through the loop coming from the opposite bucket!Wait for the fun to begin!
The following diagram shows how it's all set up:
(http://bizarrelabs.com/images/dot_clear.gif)
(http://bizarrelabs.com/images/buckets.gif)
What Should Happen The fact that the buckets are standing on good insulators means that one is almost certain to be more negatively charged than the other.
This means that the wire in that bucket, with its loop over the opposite bucket, will tend to repel electrons in the water back up towards the water source, i.e. to make it more positively charged.
When this water breaks into droplets, this positive charge is trapped in the water and falls into the opposite bucket, making it more positively charged.
The positively charged bucket's wire, with its loop over our first bucket will be attracting electrons from the water source into the water passing through that loop, i.e. making it more negatively charged.
When this water falls into the first bucket - it further increases the negative charge we started with.
The positive feedback loop continues apace!
As things start to heat up, newly created droplets find themselves heading towards a bucket with the same charge as themselves (and in later stages actually start splitting up because their own charge is great enough to overcome the forces keeping the droplet together!) - what you see is the stream of droplets starting to fan out as it falls; some droplets are sufficiently attracted to the loop and wire they just passed through to spiral around that into the bucket with the opposite charge which they find much more attractive!
If things go well and the gap between the two wires isn't too large, you will be rewarded with a good spark after which things quiet down again; the reprieve is only temporary of course because the whole thing starts up again.
With a suitable backdrop and lighting, this experiment can be really beautiful - well worth a go!
The humidity of the atmosphere has a big impact on this experiment, don't bother trying when it's high. -
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maybe he removed electrons first and used the heat in the cumbustion process to finalize the triggering process
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The video Stan Meyers Estate Water Fuel Cell #3 shows some reasonably clear images of the gas processor, compared to the basic drawing, the gas processor appears to have 2 coils at one end and one at the other along with the LED's and probably the negative and positive voltage zones as shown in the drawings........what if IR led's were used, id like to construct something similar, just unsure of how to calculate how much material to use for the two sets of end coils....wonder if they were pulsed coils. if this does work to remove electrons it then makes sense why, when looking at the simplistic drawing ofthe manifold, that the exhaust gas and quenching tubes are downstream in the manifold.
Stan Meyers Estate Water Fuel Cell #3
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I think this coils are for creating the magnetic bottle, in witch the electrons emitted from the filament together with the ions being deflected by the anode field create a vortex witch makes the electrons to get trapped in the surrounding tube. This create a voltage that than can be discharged in order to take the electrons away.
An electron when flying perpendicular to a magnetic field curves. The geometrical configuration is very important and should not be over looked. -
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whats interesting to read is Memo WFC 422 DA, copy attached, it helps make clearer the overall view of the system design for i was getting confused with the laser accellerator, now it comes clearer why he used IR led's paired with IR receivers....
what pointed me to that memo was a comment found on another blog thru google,
"the LED in the GP are not red, they are ultraviolet look at the patent Memo WFC 422 DA page 3-23, in addition to ionization of the area ambiente must use UV 400 to 250 nm is not IR."
section3.pdf
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Oxygen will absorb and emit ultraviolet, while, Hydrogen will absorb and emit infrared... So, I assume he used both at one point or another. In fact, in the tech breif he illustrates how to make a laser device with the use of ionized hydrogen to emit infrared.attachment_6402 gas laser.jpg
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QuoteAtomic and molecular excitons
Atomic and molecular excitons Alternatively, an exciton may be thought of as an excited state of an atom, ion, or molecule, the excitation wandering from one cell of the lattice to another.
When a molecule absorbs a quantum of energy that corresponds to a transition from one molecular orbital to another molecular orbital, the resulting electronic excited state is also properly described as an exciton. An electron is said to be found in the lowest unoccupied orbital and an electron hole in the highest occupied molecular orbital, and since they are found within the same molecular orbital manifold, the electron-hole state is said to be bound. Molecular excitons typically have characteristic lifetimes on the order of nanoseconds, after which the ground electronic state is restored and the molecule undergoes fluorescence. Molecular excitons have several interesting properties, one of which is energy transfer (see Förster resonance energy transfer) whereby if a molecular exciton has proper energetic matching to a second molecule's spectral absorbance, then an exciton may transfer (hop) from one molecule to another. The process is strongly dependent on intermolecular distance between the species in solution, and so the process has found application in sensing and molecular rulers. -
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well, i dunno about any of you but reading through the many pages of info its easy to get confusion about the parts and labelling, ie the gas resonant cavity, ambient air ioniser and laser accellerator..... as all 3 initially appear similar due to the use of LED's. -
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well, i dunno about any of you but reading through the many pages of info its easy to get confusion about the parts and labelling, ie the gas resonant cavity, ambient air ioniser and laser accellerator..... as all 3 initially appear similar due to the use of LED's.
THE "LASER ACCELERATOR" IS SIMPLY A FANCY TERM FOR "gAS PEDAL" THAT USES PHOTODETECTORS TO SENSE THE POSITION OF A MOVING METAL TAB BETWEEN TWO ROWS OF LEDS AND DETECTORS...THIS POSITIONING DEVICE WAS DESIGNED TO LAST A LONG TIME, EVERY TIME YOU STEP ON THE GAS PEDAL THE CABLE ON THE DUNE BUGGY WOULD MOVE THIS METAL TAB, RESULTING IN A FEW LIGHTS PASSING THRU THE GAP OR ALL THE LIGHTS PASSING THRU THE GAP. eSSENTIALLY THIS IS SIMILAR TO A LINEAR VARIABLE RESISTOR, EXCEPT THAT THERE ARE NO PARTS TO WEAR DOWN.
So the result is any number of 5 volt signals 1 to 15 sent to the figure 2 multiplexor chip which in turn shaped the pulses from 10% duty cycle to 90% duty cycle based on the position of your foot on the gas pedal...
this in turn sent anywhere from 3 volts to 12 volts to the positive side of the VIC Coils to control their gas output or hydrogen production.
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Oxygen will absorb and emit ultraviolet, while, Hydrogen will absorb and emit infrared... So, I assume he used both at one point or another. In fact, in the tech breif he illustrates how to make a laser device with the use of ionized hydrogen to emit infrared.
This is one of his most amazing developments. He is "flexing" the "energy aperture" of the hydrogen atom which allows universal energy to enter this three-dimensional portion of the universe. Like he explains, with the electron spinning around the proton, it should collapse into it in a billionth of a second, the forces require it, however it does not happen because energy is constantly being drawn into the atom structure to maintain it's stable state. This energy that is constantly being drawn into the atoms to maintain their existence can be manipulated by putting the atom into a non-equilibrium state where an increased amount of universal energy is demanded by the atom to maintain it's existence. Doing this in a controlled manner allows him to release energy directly from the atoms without reacting or destroying them. The kind of energy that comes out is electromagnetic energy, of which light is merely a select frequency range of the larger spectrum. He calls it an EASER, where the E stands for Energy, instead of an L for Light in LASER. Energy (Light) Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation -
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Oxygen will absorb and emit ultraviolet, while, Hydrogen will absorb and emit infrared... So, I assume he used both at one point or another. In fact, in the tech breif he illustrates how to make a laser device with the use of ionized hydrogen to emit infrared.
This is one of his most amazing developments. He is "flexing" the "energy aperture" of the hydrogen atom which allows universal energy to enter this three-dimensional portion of the universe. Like he explains, with the electron spinning around the proton, it should collapse into it in a billionth of a second, the forces require it, however it does not happen because energy is constantly being drawn into the atom structure to maintain it's stable state. This energy that is constantly being drawn into the atoms to maintain their existence can be manipulated by putting the atom into a non-equilibrium state where an increased amount of universal energy is demanded by the atom to maintain it's existence. Doing this in a controlled manner allows him to release energy directly from the atoms without reacting or destroying them. The kind of energy that comes out is electromagnetic energy, of which light is merely a select frequency range of the larger spectrum. He calls it an EASER, where the E stands for Energy, instead of an L for Light in LASER. Energy (Light) Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation
Yes, Donald.
This is one of his greatest idea,s.
He often explains this with a big smile on his face.
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I was under the impression the "Energy Aperture" was linked to the elongation of the nucleus?
(http://tesla3.com/free_websites/wf_meyer_memo5_universal_energy1.gif)
(http://tesla3.com/free_websites/wf_meyer_memo10_radiant_energy.gif) -
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Yes, he was a genius.
Also, in one of his videos, he mentions about elongating the water molecule, then later exposing the water molecule to sunlight revives it and returns it to it's normal state, allowing it to be captured from the exhaust and re-used! -
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