How to build the vic tried and tested
Started by unknown · · 113 posts · last reply 6 September 2011
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I have been messing around with meyers vic for 8 months now, there had to be a answer, well lads its been cracked so fill ya boots.
This is a cut n paste from another site where i go under the name rizla
After building so many variations that just dont work i sat back and asked the question what is happening with meyers longitudal primary. Well mainstream science has no answer, so i dug a little deeper and uncovered the spin orbit of electrons. This creates emf in transformers, the angle of the magnetic flux affects the spin orbit of electrons and so the amount of induced emf. I was finding some answers.
Things got more interesting when i uncovered the fact that different metals have different effects when the electron orbits are manipulated by magnetic flux. In iron wire they form tiny magnets, they have a north and south pole they can attract and repel, i now have the effect meyer describes in his patents.
take a look at this site
http://www.asdn.net/asdn/electronics/spintronics.shtml
What it says is ferrous metals can have each atom give a 1 or 0 state, its a typical spintronics site, you have to look thru a lot to get the full picture.
The 1 or 0 are actually north and south poles, this is unique property of ferrous metals and it does not just apply at a nano level unless you wish to manipulate each atom individually.
First theorised around 1860 then proven in 1920 the spin orbit of electrons is where electronics meets magnetism, this science has been around a long time but not common knowledge.
I located some insulated iron based wire, after a number of experiments i found that a iron wire vic works, the mystery is over. Also the primary is not dual bi-directional longitudal wrap, it is a normal winding.
A recent test shows copper wire for the primary works but all other coils have to be a suitable ferrous wire like iron. Stainless, even 300 grade, is a poor choice due to electron scattering. Note as well the primary must be very tight and generate a uniform magnetic field (i mean a perfect uniform magnetic field) or current will leak out. A primary and secondary is all thats needed for testing to start with, this should read zero amps on a meter that measures down to 10uA with a short circuit. You can now wire in the inhibit and charge choke one at a time while checking for current leakage. If the primary is not wound correct you will notice the difference the inhibit choke makes in reduceing current while the charge choke adds more current.
So after building your vic you may well wonder why this has been such a problem, as you can see the patents have been altered and we have all been building crap that will never work, 4 years of running round in circles. Not only that but the spin orbit of electrons science has been hidden for about 80 years, it had to be suppressed or water fuel technology would be impossible to stop.
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Hi spintronic.
Just a fast responce. Could you do a reply with readings of the transformer and perhaps some images, also the core used - permeability and magnetic flux values allongside wire gage and wraps. This would help even further.
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hi iontruster
Yes a step by step guide with more info n pics would be a easier read for many, only people who have tried to build the vic from his vic matrix patent will fill in the gaps straight away. This is still in early development stages calculations of any sort have not been done, they probably will be needed to get high gas yield from a wfc. It has been try it and see what happens. The way i approached this was it`s 4 coils of wire, what do i have to do to make it work.
I use .63mm wire, other sizes will work. I havent found a need for flux gauges.
You need to look at meyers vic matrix patent, the copper wire is replaced by iron wire for secondary and chokes. The primary is a normal winding not as described in his patent. Have you seen the pictures of the vic spools? You need to build something that looks like that.
http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1267
these pictures do not show his primary spool that fits in the middle.
I use a large flyback transformers ferrite core (large for modern designs)
It is driven with a simple darlington transistor config, some diodes and signal generator for basic function test, nothing complicated.
basically i am telling you what you need to alter to get his vic working. I will try to find time for a step by step guide however its a matter of time now before building his vic technology becomes common knowledge, the tube system, steamresonator ect will follow.
like i say this is tried and tested and 100% correct, people will build this and find it works. They can alter already built vics to work.
Read thru his vic matrix patent and ask about anything thats not clear.
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Yea this technology dealing with the spin-up (1) or spin-down (0) is currently being implemented into the next generation of Computers. -
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i spent 2 weeks reading thru that nano gobble-degook garbage , gave me a real headache -
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all,
I had been playing with some iron wire vics a ways back and was wondering how you guys keep em cool and not smoking the place up?
This info may have me return to the ideas I had using iron wire. I'd like to find some teflon coated stuff.
I'm playing around, for observation's sake, with some soft iron twisty stuff that is paper coated and I coat that with varnish prior to wrapping a core....
kb
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interesting, i guess u can see how even if the primary is not wound tight enough the inhibit choke reduces current?. If the secondary is wound and wired as tesla pancake coils further reduces current? As the primary warms and expands the current out reduces? the tighter the primary is wound the less current out. can you give us some more info on what you have been doing?
I have wound a small coil setup to test, its makes sense for the first go, if it did not work theres less time and effort put in. It did work, split water meyer style with tiny bubbles no gunk and zero current to the tubes. It was wound with a iron primary and 16v supply, it got warm but no smoke, what have u been doing to set the place on fire? Copper wire looks like the way to go for the primary with less heat from my first test and as soon as i get my winding kit made i shall post the results of iron v copper primary.
kickback the primary needs to be closely wound, thick insulation could cause problems and the paper may give capacitance between coils that may or may not be a problem. -
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I have just confirmed a earlier observation the iron primary induces over x2 more current than the same size copper primary. This has not been tested on a normal transformer just my vic with loose wound primary (leaky). I am not expecting much in replys so i will just say this, if you build a vic or anything based on technology like the 8xa circuit out of all copper you are wasteing your time, 4 years of building stuff that don`t work or of little use proves it.
Resonance has been a source of confusion with meyers patents. I have identifyed alterations in his patents and the use of resonance has been referred to in a number of places it should not be.
The resonance talked of in meyers wfc for example refers to the freedom of movement of hydroxyl ions in water that needs to be tuned into for high gas yield, this comes from a independent evaluation of meyers wfc. http://www.scribd.com/doc/36927148/WFCexpl
So much mis-information about meyers technology for so many years has left people not knowing what they are doing.
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I have just confirmed a earlier observation the iron primary induces over x2 more current than the same size copper primary. This has not been tested on a normal transformer just my vic with loose wound primary (leaky). I am not expecting much in replys so i will just say this, if you build a vic or anything based on technology like the 8xa circuit out of all copper you are wasteing your time, 4 years of building stuff that don`t work or of little use proves it.
Resonance has been a source of confusion with meyers patents. I have identifyed alterations in his patents and the use of resonance has been referred to in a number of places it should not be.
The resonance talked of in meyers wfc for example refers to the freedom of movement of hydroxyl ions in water that needs to be tuned into for high gas yield, this comes from a independent evaluation of meyers wfc. http://www.scribd.com/doc/36927148/WFCexpl
So much mis-information about meyers technology for so many years has left people not knowing what they are doing.
Hi Spintronic,
Welcome here at ionizationx
I can follow what your are explaining here.
Is it possible that you publish some pictures of your iron wire tests? Maybe scope-shots?
Would help others a lot with getting an idea on what you are researching.
One question from me is about your statement to tune into the hydroxyl ion.
First, my idea was that in such setup, to tune into the H+ ion and not the HO ion.
Maybe you can explain why you choose the HO ion?
Steve
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What kind of iron alloy are you using for the wire?
Soft magnetic iron wire seems to be hard to find.
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Hi stevie and mr h2o
I can see what your saying, i shall sort something out. All u need is a large enough ferrite core or grain oriented silicon steel core, machine your spools and populate with iron wire. Only the primary is a critical winding and a problem. I will post a few pics of what i am useing and a circuit diagram.
Heres a link for some iron wire, its not ideal but works and is cheap (about £2.50 for 40 metres). Garden wire and others like it are a bit naff.
http://www.crazywireco.co.uk/acatalog/Iron_Wires.html or the other just posted
Pure iron should give best results, but yes i agree it`s a b*tch to find and when you find it the cost is £75 for 5 metres so thats simply not happening for me.
Does everyone get the spintronic science as far as meyers technology is concerned?
The wfc document explains how the chemical reaction works, not sure it answers your question stevie, the document was released well before meyers death and appears unaltered and would be difficult to alter haveing never been held under national security. Resonance is not used as current restriction in the vic as implied in the patents, it is used to trigger the explosive gas release. The details of the chemical reaction are beyond me
before i clear off the 8xa circuit, if i wind a primary first on each spool (single layer) then on top of each primary wind the other coils, secondary and so on, i believe i have the basis of his older technology, what do you think stevie?
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Spintronic articles relates to nano science it`s nano techno babble, with a little patience we can piece together usefull information.
Spin-polarized currents flow well in magnetic materials, but when they enter non-magnetic materials the electrons begin to lose their spin polarization in a process called spin-flip scattering.
source http://www.spintronics-info.com/technical/cold_copper_causes_spin_diffusion
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copper (non magnetic) is crap.
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/spin.html
This covers the boys that first proved the spin orbit theory
Spintronics is an advanced form of electronics that harnesses not just the electrical charge of electrons (as in conventional electronics) but also a property called spin that makes electrons act like tiny bar magnets
source http://leebor2.741.com/spintronic.html
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alright,
I wound a quick and dirty 8xa bifilar with paper coated garden wire about as big as my fist, sloppy for sure, on a 1"x 3" iron powder epoxy mix core.
result... more gas than ever before at 10 volts and 5ma and not much in the way of high voltage spike... clean looking square waves out..
this meyer thing may get interesting again, lol
kb
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#15 ·
Spin,
Thanks for the iron wire source. $4 airmail and 4 roles at 40 meters each for a grand total of $8.97, on the way, in for a dime in for a dollar.. chuckle
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i should get shares in that bas**ard company there must be one similiar in america
find a easy way of getting that primary wound perfect for me dude, the vic has to be zero amps out.
no bends,kinks or twist in the magnetic field of the primary. it needs to be compressed and as you wind your coil on the spool and compress it one part will push down further than the other causeing a bend in the wire. It`s a pain in the arse.
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Hi stevie and mr h2o
I can see what your saying, i shall sort something out. All u need is a large enough ferrite core or grain oriented silicon steel core, machine your spools and populate with iron wire. Only the primary is a critical winding and a problem. I will post a few pics of what i am useing and a circuit diagram.
Heres a link for some iron wire, its not ideal but works and is cheap (about £2.50 for 40 metres). Garden wire and others like it are a bit naff.
http://www.crazywireco.co.uk/acatalog/Iron_Wires.html or the other just posted
Pure iron should give best results, but yes i agree it`s a b*tch to find and when you find it the cost is £75 for 5 metres so thats simply not happening for me.
Does everyone get the spintronic science as far as meyers technology is concerned?
The wfc document explains how the chemical reaction works, not sure it answers your question stevie, the document was released well before meyers death and appears unaltered and would be difficult to alter haveing never been held under national security. Resonance is not used as current restriction in the vic as implied in the patents, it is used to trigger the explosive gas release. The details of the chemical reaction are beyond me
before i clear off the 8xa circuit, if i wind a primary first on each spool (single layer) then on top of each primary wind the other coils, secondary and so on, i believe i have the basis of his older technology, what do you think stevie?
@ Spintronic
About winding secondairys over primary's i can say that that seems to do something. I seen certain OU coils being winded like that. The last i seen was done with cores between the windings. The effect with iron wire would be that the wire it self becomes magnetic. Some sort of saturation.
Its a brand new approach
Looks like KB already made some kind of prove of concept!
@ KB
Whats this KB? Having some nice results but not sharing any video of it?
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Steve,
I think it is still simple electrolysis. 8XA with iron wire. My vic transformer make nice voltage peaks and limits current almost to zero yet makes no gas. The iron wire experiments continue...
here's a question... when meyer's diagram of five pulses on and an off gap is viewed, what does it show? is it five individual pulses from a pwm or is it five resonant "bulbs" from a resonant frequency situation as seen on the oscope?
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The 8xa circuit is a variation of the vic matrix circuit it uses the same technology. its just a matter of time when i decide to give it a go before it is made to work
You just need to apply the basic rules.
1) Primary flux aligns electron orbit spin in surrounding coils
2) electrons then behave as tiny magnets in ferrous metals with the correct magnetic field applied
3) the north and south poles of each atom attract to each other causeing electron clustering rather than electron flow, i do not know for certain this is how electron clustering happens but i do know it works.
lets look again at the science that makes this happen
Spintronics is an advanced form of electronics that harnesses not just the electrical charge of electrons (as in conventional electronics) but also a property called spin that makes electrons act like tiny bar magnets
source http://leebor2.741.com/spintronic.html
So why not use copper wire? (non magnetic, non ferrous)
Spin-polarized currents flow well in magnetic materials, but when they enter non-magnetic materials the electrons begin to lose their spin polarization in a process called spin-flip scattering.
source http://www.spintronics-info.com/technical/cold_copper_causes_spin_diffusion
in Copper wire each atom cannot form a north or south pole so meyers stuff will not work.
The tiny magnets formed will attract or repel, opposites attract likes repel, so we can start to see how meyers transformer works, like the inhibit choke for example.
Here is a new look on meyers vic with some real science to back it up and proven to work. from this we can build his tube system 6 tube assemblys can run a 1.6l engine, The steam resonator and his injector system the complete energy solution. Without his vic none of this can be built.
@steve
I am thinking the electrons in the secondary align to form a north south poles (electron clustering) as explained above, the primary can be copper or iron so they do not have to be attracted to the primary inorder to work. If you apply the basic rules at the top of the post there is no reason why the 8xa circuit cannot be made to work. if everyone (thats not a lot) posts replies based on this science we can have less confusion about meyers technology.
kb seems very young to me (no offence kb) and does not come across to me as understanding anything i have posted on my thread.
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"kb seems very young to me (no offence kb) and does not come across to me as understanding anything i have posted on my thread"
and what purpose did this comment serve you? if anything you've betrayed your youth, in maturity and wisdom... it IS offensive
my comments and questions are not made to satisfy your apparent sense of superiority in any measure
....make a simple question on your thread to the group about the five pulses diagram and this is the result?
when you have done it then I'll bow, until then I'll keep learning and consider ideas from all here and elsewhere including yours
in addition, however, I shall not refrain from asking questions for fear of insult or insolence
kb
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@kb
no sense of superiority, no egos, no need for aggression or offensive
no need to delete posts either
I said the wire you are useing is unsuitable and asked several questions about your setup, i got no answer and now you are posting results that the iron vic (8xa circuit) you built does not work. you could not of got the uk wire in 24hr let alone machine and populate them leaveing me confused as to what you are doing. this thread is trying to get a better picture of the science as well as the build which you have shown no interest, its what this thread is about.
I am sorry u have taken deep offence, of course i do not know who you are so my opinion is from your posts only.
lets leave it there
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Spintronic,
I did not delete any posts. I thanked you for the wire source. okay dokay, the twisty wire vic worked for the purpose of the experiment that was intended when I wound it.
regards,
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We are all adults here.Sligtly crazy and a little bit of ego's.
If we didnt had those quality's, then we wouldnot have such hobby like this.
And do not forget the fact that writing posts or emails can be interpretated different as that we would like, sometimes......
KB and ST are reseachers who add good things to our quest..
Its amazing that we still learn new things!
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@stevo
wise words indeed, you remind me of either a boxing referee or the instructor from karate kid, maybe a bit of both.
there is a number of people looking at this page, but i have no idea if any have looked into what i am saying. The science is there i have not picked it out of the aether, i have given you links to research, how about a little feedback. The primary winding is very important anybody want to go through it?
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The purpose of spirally wrapping the choke coils in the Tri-Coil Configuration is to minimize current leakage and to maximize the coupling coefficient to where as the L1 magnetic flux lines will be cut by the L2 flux lines.