Start here your topics on the water injector & ambient airgasprocessor system
Started by unknown · · 132 posts · last reply 4 November 2011
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if it wasn't used then might it have been a second one? and the original is away with the stacked cavity unit? -
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My guess would be it was the only one,but then the one in Meyers slides shows a sticker on it,and maybe a different one.The one I saw didn't look like it ever had a sticker on it,could still have been the same one though.
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Can you offer any description of the control labels, switches, buttons and stuff that are on this controller for the stacked cavity assembly?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v81/bigbuba/Frequencygenerator.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v81/bigbuba/fractionation_controller.jpg)
These are the only two pictures I have on the control box... -
#29 ·
I don't think that you understand the usage of the air gas processor.It does not process all of the air going into the engine.It only does a small amount.This processed air is injected under the throttlebody along with exhaust gas recirculation.Also the idle control air is added in there as well to control the engines idle spped.So you have ionized air,exhaust gasses and metered air,all going in under the throttlebody,in the vacuum area.
The air gas processor.tubes are the same size as the resonant cell.3 inches long.To ionize the air several thousand volts will be needed.
Don
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in the Hydrogen Gas gun, do you know where the primary is? we see two coils at the bottom and one at the top. Any guess on the wire gage?
The coils at the bottom and the top were there to create a magnetic field that would increase the speed of the ejected electrons through the cavity and get them more quickly to the extraction grid at the output to make sure the electrons were extracted before they fell back to their ground state in the atomic orbits
the patent and video speaks of electromagnetic waves, those are the coils that provide electron acceleration once the electrons are free from n=infinity in the ionization energy scheme.
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#31 ·
Hey lads interesting thread.
Does anyone know if Stan had success in running an engine using the water injector?
For practical purposes of actually making an injector/ plug what would be a suggested drawing to work from?
thanks
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#32 ·
Hey lads interesting thread.
Does anyone know if Stan had success in running an engine using the water injector?
For practical purposes of actually making an injector/ plug what would be a suggested drawing to work from?
thanks
Many people many opinions.
I personnally think he did ran with water injectors.
He had put in soo much effort. Made many proto's.
People close to Stan confirmed this.
Others standing further from him, deny.
Another thing: Stan presented that injector on seminars. You just do not such things if you havent anything working, in my opinion. So many people......and then presenting a hoax? I dont think so....
Steve
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#33 ·
Hi Steve,
Thanks, I agree. To my mind on the vehicles with fuel injection theres a challenge to overcome - with a cell the option is to run a hybrid diesel/petrol and cell install or a 100% setup. In the hybrid setup some put the hho supply before the buttryfly, some connect directly to the intake manifold, the latter meaning that fuel savings / efficiency relies upon less opening of the butterfly, there are also complications with vacumm on a cell....and so on. What I found with my first install was no matter what I did, the fuel consumption of the vehicle was tied to the air flow meter, throttle position sensor, oxy sensor temp sensors and the map of the ecu and engine spark timing.
I found obd1 vehicles are just tough to play with the ecu unless the tools to modify are available, particularly so as auto gearboxes have their ecu linked to the main ecu......
so thats why im thinking the injector is the way to head to as the injector timing would already be there to be used from the ecu..... -
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For practical purposes of actually making an injector/ plug what would be a suggested drawing to work from? -
#35 · date not recorded
Any pointers gratefully received thanks, it is fabulous to witness the substantial theory being worked out on the tube/plate fuel cells but imho to be free is to have a way to practically install something in a vehicle, thats why I am asking. Thanks -
#36 ·
Good morning members. I've attached a PDF called "Eureka Fuel" after a reply I did over at watercar@yahoogroups.com earlier today. Even if the knowledge about the subject's been known for a few years, I thought I would post it here as well before anyone ells claimed the right to it, as it happened before. Not claiming I am the inventor, but rather letting people know that I was part of discovering the events taking place and allowing more individuals to become aware of the knowledge.
I am happy to help further the understanding of the process. So enjoy the information in this document and have a nice day.Eureka Fuel.pdf
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#37 ·
" The months past and an engine project was showing problems when using Hydroxy gas generated as is from the electrolyser. Water had formed in the oil proving that Hydrogen molecules had passed beyond the piston-rings and bonded with Oxygen, and power development was also in the lower region due to the fact that the flame front burned too fast - the same problem as many others have. Tests was done with compressed and pure H2 but the problem remained - water was formed in the oil, and this was a bad thing. This problem had to be addressed, a solution had to be found. "
Hi Iontruster, I was wondering when others would see such a problem.
I would suggest treat the oil and improve boundary lubrication, the product to use is Powerup NNL690.
Use google to locate a distributor.
3% Powerup added to the engine oil does in fact substantially increase the film strength and boundary lubrication. I can tell you I have seen friction tests done and its simply amazing - their grease is simply excellent for bearings.
There is also another bonus - with Powerup in the oil - as I have seen, water does not separate into the layers causing problems - any good Powerup distributor can show the friction tests on their tester machine and show how water in oil is much different with Powerup added. That is why anyone putting any wfc on their engine I think should at a minimum treat their oil to ensure the friction barrier remains intact.
By adding a dose of powerup in the fuel(petrol or diesel at a ratio of 1/2ml powerup per litre of fuel) a upper cylinder boundary lubrication is kept - i would say give it a go.
Thanks for a very interesting document
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#38 · date not recorded
"and power development was also in the lower region due to the fact that the flame front burned too fast - the same problem as many others have. Tests was done with compressed and pure H2 but the problem remained"
I can think of two other reasons for that.
-chamber walls are too hot and ignite the h2 uppon contact..... too early. Add some water vapour to the intake air to cool the engine down. Google that.
-ignition timing has to be changed because h2 combusts more rapidly than gas/patrol
read page 55-61
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#39 · date not recorded
"and power development was also in the lower region due to the fact that the flame front burned too fast - the same problem as many others have. Tests was done with compressed and pure H2 but the problem remained"
I can think of two other reasons for that.
-chamber walls are too hot and ignite the h2 uppon contact..... too early. Add some water vapour to the intake air to cool the engine down. Google that.
-ignition timing has to be changed because h2 combusts more rapidly than gas/patrol
read page 55-61
Yes, there might be multiple reasons why the problems were present, but I was working on a distance and could not be there, I had limit methods of solving the problem. But did so in a chemical way as you've read. -
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@ wfchobby
Contact me - re_crea_06@hotmail.com
regards -
#41 · date not recorded
In regards to US Patent # 1,431,047, the 1922 patent of the guy who later started Duracell Corp.
@ Line 52; Nascent Hydrogen is the same as Atomic. It is probably not an ion since ion is either less or more electrons, so note - atomic equals same amount of electrons as in it's ground state or singular atom state.
@ line 61/62: He clearly speaks of an electrochemical event known as transmutation as described in my prior article concerning ammonia (NH3), ammonium hydroxide (NH4-OH+) and nitrous oxide (N2O), but here carbon monoxide (CO) is priming gas and upon contact will form Formaldehyde (CH2O) - in remark to this - if carbon monoxide or dioxide is present in the air gases, there is also a possibility that the style and construction of Meyers apparatus could produce this chemical.
But it is very clear that what Samuel Ruben is describing is an apparatus were hydrogen and oxygen gas is liberated through electrolysis and are also allowed to react with other incoming air gases in a manor which is known by ionization by electrical stimulation.
The reason why Formaldehyde might be formed is of the fact that Salt - probably normal table salt with the chemical formula NaCl (where C is Chloride) is used. NaCl is by many used as an electrolyte and whereby one of the byproducts is Chlorine gas (Cl) - chlorine gas is a reactive gas and very toxic - created in the process. Therefor it is always recommended to use Sodium Hydroxide (NaOH) as the electrolyte (I use the opportunity to mention this if anyone is experimenting with electrolysis). Sodium Hydroxide do not react in the same manor as NaCl does and the added amount of NaOH will remain in the water bath meaning, there the amount of NaOH will remain constant and not consumed as it will re-new and balance the chemical reaction.
Looking at the Meyer style of hydrogen and oxygen production, there is no added chemical in relationship to standard Faraday electrolysis (basic electrolysis uses current to split water using electron collision - optimum electrolysis is 1.24-2V @ X amount of amp were voltage is only used as a current flow stimulation) and hence, no additional gases are evolved beside H2 and O2. For this reason together with the developed ionization method for said gases are used, the method is no longer ionization by electrolysis but rather more commonly known as Voltrolysis whereby voltage and harmonic oscillation is used in order to induce a covalent breakup between the oxygen and hydrogen constituting the water molecule. Depending on the water used in Voltrolysis, additional gases can be developed that is similar to standard Electrolysis since the presence of carbon in the water bath can induce a reaction with the liberated hydrogen and oxygen. But since no extra carbon chemical is added, the amount of possible hydrocarbon combinations is in the lower regions or highly limited.
As a side note, there is always the possibility that said chemicals can be evolved and found in a system where the prior art of gas development in line with these debates are possible and can therefor not be discarded all together. It is on the other hand more likely that the mentioned fuel and oxidizer is developed. It is therefor important to know that using a system where hydrogen, oxygen and nitrogen is used as priming gases, we can conclude that carbon might be presented in the gases in a range of different chemicals. It is also normal to measure carbon in water at some percentage as long as we allow air gases to be exposed to and absorbed by the water, this also concludes that water used in a system installed in a car that are using non treated and incoming air (containing pollution - COx diluted air) will at some point in the system introduce this to the process. It is on the other hand quite hard to control the entire reaction of chemicals produced since the system is exposed to the outside environment. We also have the fact that different places on this planet contain a variety and amount of chemicals present in the air and when looking at this system in the manor I have presented here, we can fairly easy understand that we must leave some room for other chemicals developed. -
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Thanks for the pdf.
I also had contact with Edward and with Tutanka.
There have been many discussions on how to create a possible new mix of gasses.
For sure, if you can ionize nitrogen and remove the freed electrons!, then maybe the ionized atom will attack the hydrogens electron.
I have achieved myself a better burnrate of H and O with help of ionized ambient air. Meaning Nitrogen and oxygen.
My engine much better, like 25% more power then on HHO and normal ambient air.
So, yes. Thats a good direction to research into.
Tutanka seems to have build plans ready, but he is asking 200 euro's for them, which is a lot of money for a normal Joe.
But is his reactor really works, then its worth every penny.
About getting water in your oil of engines.
That might happen. I havent seen it in my tests, but those engines never ran longer then 1 hour orso.
For sure, a normal ICE is not build for water.....
Steve
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#43 · date not recorded
@ Steve.
I advice you to read my described reaction again. Notice that there are no freed electrons. You are mixing my and Edwards concept. All I do is to create nascent or atomic nitrogen - note: I do not take away electrons, that would make the process of ammonia and nitrous oxide formation impossible. All I do is to create a situation where available space within the atomic nitrogen can be re established using available electrons in the hydrogen atom.
The reactor Alessandro is promoting was developed together with Michael Nunerlay and was a terminated collaboration in the same style that me and Alessandro had. -
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@ Steve.
I advice you to read my described reaction again. Notice that there are no freed electrons. You are mixing my and Edwards concept. All I do is to create nascent or atomic nitrogen - note: I do not take away electrons, that would make the process of ammonia and nitrous oxide formation impossible. All I do is to create a situation where available space within the atomic nitrogen can be re established using available electrons in the hydrogen atom.
The reactor Alessandro is promoting was developed together with Michael Nunerlay and was a terminated collaboration in the same style that me and Alessandro had.
Thank you Iontruster for pointing that out to me. I apologise for not reading proper your post.
Let me ask you the same question as i did towards Alesandro.
Have you build such reactor that re-establishe the atoms with all available electrons?
I find it very fascinating!
Steve
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#45 · date not recorded
unfortunately I have not, due to the lack of funding. There is however other experiments that prove the formation of ammonia in a similar environment that S.A.Meyer is using and talking about. I will however when time comes perform a crud setup in order to prove my own theory. I can not disclose any further information regarding this at the moment.
For the time being, even if I am convinced that ammonia and possibly nitrous oxide can be formed in the style and manor described will work, it is simply a matter of creating an environment that will promote the reaction, and that might in the end require a some changes to the method in use - this can be pressure and time such similar to the style Michael and Alessandro displayed. I do not have any plans on purchasing the plans Alessandro are offering, but if you are, let me know and maybe I can help you.
My conceptual design is not available in the public domain since this method (apparatus) might grant me a patent and is also more focused in terms of conversion efficiency and do in fact collect the knowledge a bit better. -
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hmm, I couldn't find much infos in this thread. Could somebody explain to me what this is all about? What is the goal?. -
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@ Lektor
Well, you could read Meyers patents in regards to EGR and Gas Processor and then read the PDF I wrote located in Reply #35 - page 8, that should help you understand what it is. -
#48 ·
Hello,
Just returned back on that forum.. All start processing water and nitrogen. Meyer inside papers is obsessed from solar irradiation and non-combustible molecule (nitrogen) because have found an simple interaction from these when bombarded with uv beam. Initially Meyer use WFC cell producing brown gas and after use charge water vapour for semplify method. In all case thermal explosive energy isn't based on lost electrons as Meyer wrote but on new fuel formation. As you know brown gas don't have enough power for run an engine at 100% also if is reduced to atomic state. Brown gas born from water and is water to gas state. Some peoples ask that inside brown gas are present other molecules like O3 and H3+, isn't correct. For obtain these you need an electro-catalyst (on cathode/anode). HOH (right brown gas composition) is just water gas with extra electrons and are these responsibles of interactions with some metals,etc..
Brown gas = electricity+water
Brown gas+ignition = electricity+water
HOH is just an CAPACITOR GAS. Yes... burn but don't have enough power needed for our applications because is just an water gas molecule, an transition molecule. Is important understand that.
The simple key of Meyer is that nitrogen is ionized in presence of water gas (extremely reactive) when togheter are irradiated from specific UV field, subsequently water gas molecules are splitted simply with another UV field. You need two different UV wavelenghts as Meyer ask in some documents (see attached) but wavelenghts indicated are wrong!!
Some peoples ask about catalyst for obtain new fuel molecules like ammonia and nitrous oxide. Yes ..normally you need an catalyst that releases electrons for obtain new molecules formation but in our case we have capacitor water gas that released extra electrons accumulated inside needed for obtain right reaction.
In all case THERMAL EXPLOSIVE ENERGY is formed from ammonia and nitrous oxide trough that chemical formula:
8N2+6HOH+Hv=4NH3+6N2O
In internet you can found simply an pdf that 40% of ammonia and 60% of nitrous oxide are burned with only 0,07mJ releasing a lot of energy power in that way you don't need extra H2 as written from Patrick alias Iontruster alias Oneminde. See chemical formula above.. Is casually that are created same stechiometric percentages of NH3/N2O from water and nitrogen? Surely not!!
In that way for reach simply the same results of Meyer you need low percentage of HOH, nitrogen molecular and just one UV reactor. For build that you can use UV lamp or UV power led, not difference.
Regards
Alessandro
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#49 ·
Hi Tut,
Thanks for posting here again.
You are saying that the trick is to use hho in combination with ambient air, mix it and then put them thru uv light?
How much led power would we need?
1, 100watts?
Steve -
#50 ·
As in chemical formula use only nitrogen and you obtain stechiometric mixture in the time..
Nitrogen extracted from air trough membrane..
Brown gas mixed with nitrogen and sended inside UV reactor.. Yes.. after you obtain new fuel that I have called micronic formed from ammonia and nitrous oxide.
With formula you can simply calculate right amount of nitrogen mole mixed with water gas mole for obtain new fuel formation
About UV...Low wattage.. 10W max are ok.. UV beam is only important, better use lens or little gap from UV irradiation.. no more heat you need during the process
With UV reactor you can create in real time micronic gas and sent inside engine directly without special injector.