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Please reassume what you want ask about.. isn't clear  .. without figures isn't possible understand.. please indicate link or post document. Regards

Everything I said was correct. You have some more learning to do.

Sorry .. in part is correct.. however explain chemically with formula what is your water fuel. If you know for you is simple write that.. My formula is 8N2+6HHO+Hv=4NH3+6N2O.. yours??

Nitrous Oxide is discussed in the Exhaust Reclaimer Technology in the Tech Breif, it can be broken down and completely eliminated. It is not desired, and yet even without eliminating it, it is minimal as a byproduct anyway. Listen to him talk about it in his various lectures.

Sorry but you forget if you think that only hydrogen produced from WFC run an engine 100%.  Nitrous oxide is formed from oxygen of water during the process and is, with ammonia, the other main component for reach right green fuel. Document attached is extracted from scientific analisys.

Stan did not use UV light. The reason why he did not use UV light is because it would exceed the work function of the SS and create a photoelectric current inside the Hydrogen Gas Gun. UV light would pluck electrons off of the plates and send them into the gas cavity, which is exactly counter to amp restriction process that is required to ionize the combustible gas atoms.

That isn't UV???

FOR COMPANIES ..

Plans for commercial usage are selled to different price with license.

From 1 november 2011 I'm able to sent you all materials (including plan) for build that cell at popular price, in that way you save more time for find these on internet. Complete plan for Electron Cascade Cell is also available for personal usage at 50 euro with payment trough paypal. If you are interested sent me email to alnenc@libero.it. Regards Alessandro

P.S. Also Iontruster can buy these.. no problems

thickness of quartz tube is 1,6-2mm

The main problem is create perfect contact from inner electrode with dielectric.. I have solved that after few tests using an "liquid electrode", inside quartz tube I have put electrolyte solution formed from distilled water and koh. Inside tube centrally an SS316L electrode for HV energy propagation.. see diagram attached.. with this last information all of you are able to create an working cell for produce brown gas. About micronic gas.. Im sorry but for that system I can't sent you additional informations.. I hope you understand.. Regards Alessandro

HI Fabio,
You can use all you want as dielectric.. personally I use quartz tube

Can be that you had good intuition.. however you can use mesh tube as ground but need right gap from inner and outer tube.

I don't think that you have put mesh tube casually.. There is a reason for this. Maybe you can explain to all.

HI HydrogenMask,
If you want use mesh tube you need to change an little internal design of WFC or you obtain some discharges from positive to mesh tube (grounded). Regards Alessandro

Best example of Alex Petty circuit.. him have understand the way but forget ground inside water (casually?)
Jean Naudin instead have added the dielectric around inner electrode 

However for obtain best results you need AC/DC (rectifier diode) heterodyne circuit.. suggest to use half-bridge driver simple and functional   
Merge all of these togheter and you obtain right process.
 
WFC can be designed differently for semplify and amplify the electron cascade and for solve high voltage discharges inside.
Remember that WFC in fact is an capacitor with metal around.

 About WFC cell some peoples ask many theories, the main is resonance of water... some peoples are working on that , on PWM circuits, to increase or decrease frequency.. change IC , add new capacitors, chokes, etc.. Personally I have an my theory that is confirmed from some experiments that I have started. For obtain more gas you need more energy power.. normally energy , see Faraday, is applied externally to circuit .. if you want generate 60LPM not problem you need some Kw but you reach success. I have found some little faraday cells on internet but the better cell that obtain 8LPM consume 1200W (50Ax24V) of power energy. Ok that is no the way.. but what is the way? Good question.. After some study and tests I have realized that the only way is electron avalanche, and I think the wfc cell of Meyer is based on that principle. But inside wfc cell I don’t find any electron emitter.. but how is possible then Meyer cell work? The answer is .. with that design meyer cell can’t work  because a piece is missing. Electrons are emitted using vacuum (not our case) or using dielectric.. the principle is called dielectric absorption. You charge and discharge the dielectric using an AC field and you reach point of break and you emits electrons. The positive field on outside tube is used for “amplify" the chain reaction inside water. We are talking of dielectric but water isn’t an best dielectric? AC is needed for dielectric absorption, DC is used as amplifier, the only lost part is electrons emitter.. you have only an outer tube and one inner tube. But what is the emitter? And why is missing? Surely for preserve Meyer secret. Can be more simple with complete drawing reproduce wfc cell. The only design where there is (hidden) the electron emitter is in that image attached. Need more fantasy for undestand how is positioned and what is the form. I have found that but only because my reactor work using same principle.

Very well my friend. I think now its clear to me... why you need two reactors?
First reactor is UV ionizer for all (water gas/nitrogen), second is UV splitting for water gas

Is these achievable using uv lamps? Or leds? x-rays? microwaves?
You can use uv lamp or leds , in all case as lens use quartz not glass

Is your production of HHO already over unity?
surely yes.. but you reach that using only electron avalanche method

How much power output increase we are talking about here? I mean relating the burn of pure H2 and your micronic fuel? What exactly do you mean by 3 times that of gasoline? what is the comparative parameter?
I have scientific document that prove that.. as meyer ask you need explosive energy ..

would be possible to use pure hydrogen than to create this micronic fuel? Or it needs the complete reaction?
you can use hydrogen but you need also oxygen for create nitrous oxide, don't forget that N2O is important inside that reaction.. thermal explosive energy is formed from nitrous oxide.. see my docs attached. with brown gas you have hydrogen/oxygen/extra electrons.. all in one

Cant you use the exhaust as source of nitrogen?
i don't suggest.. you need pure nitrogen and pure water gas.. you need to preserve your micronic production system for long time

HI Steve,
you have the solution right before your eyes. You need to use salt only if you use RF inside the cell. You do not need even a catalyst, you have enough extra electrons when the brown gas dissociates to liberate hydrogen and oxygen. you just need to figure out what is the dielectric absorption, and that kind of power supply you must use. For this you get to study but not for a long time to fully understand how it works. with respect to water is essential that both bi-distilled and has a pH less than 7 for properly ammonia creation. About chokes..  these can be eliminated for the moment, I don't use these..

Steve,
you're the only one who replied. I probably have not been clear. you do not have to extract electrons from water but the water itself as a dielectric creates free electrons inside when electrically charged. The phenomenon is called dielectric absorption but you need an water bi-distilled for obtain best results and right PH. The second is the correct circuit (positive on outer tube) so it is clear that the first circuit included within the patent has been manipulated.

As in chemical formula use only nitrogen and you obtain stechiometric mixture in the time..
Nitrogen extracted from air trough membrane..

Brown gas mixed with nitrogen and sended inside UV reactor.. Yes.. after you obtain new fuel that I have called micronic formed from ammonia and nitrous oxide.

With formula you can simply calculate right amount of nitrogen mole mixed with water gas mole for obtain new fuel formation

About UV...Low wattage.. 10W max are ok..  UV beam is only important, better use lens or little gap from UV irradiation.. no more heat you need during the process

With UV reactor you can create in real time micronic gas and sent inside engine directly without special injector.

Hello,
Just returned back on that forum..  All start processing water and nitrogen. Meyer inside papers is obsessed from solar irradiation and non-combustible molecule (nitrogen) because have found an simple interaction from these when bombarded with uv beam. Initially Meyer use WFC cell producing brown gas and after use charge water vapour for semplify method. In all case thermal explosive energy isn't based on lost electrons as Meyer wrote but on new fuel formation. As you know brown gas don't have enough power for run an engine at 100% also if is reduced to atomic state. Brown gas born from water and  is water to gas state. Some peoples ask that inside brown gas are present other molecules like O3 and H3+, isn't correct. For obtain these you need an electro-catalyst (on cathode/anode). HOH (right brown gas composition) is just water gas with extra electrons and are these responsibles of interactions with some metals,etc..
Brown gas = electricity+water
Brown gas+ignition = electricity+water
HOH is just an CAPACITOR GAS. Yes... burn but don't have enough power needed for our applications because is just an water gas molecule, an transition molecule. Is important understand that.
The simple key of Meyer is that nitrogen is ionized in presence of water gas (extremely reactive) when togheter are irradiated from specific UV field, subsequently water gas molecules are splitted simply with another UV field.  You need two different UV wavelenghts as Meyer ask in some documents (see attached) but wavelenghts indicated are wrong!!
Some peoples ask about catalyst for obtain new fuel molecules like ammonia and nitrous oxide. Yes ..normally you need an catalyst that releases electrons for obtain new molecules formation but in our case we have capacitor water gas that released extra electrons accumulated inside needed for obtain right reaction.   
In all case THERMAL EXPLOSIVE ENERGY is formed from ammonia and nitrous oxide trough that chemical formula:
8N2+6HOH+Hv=4NH3+6N2O
In internet you can found simply an pdf that  40% of ammonia and 60% of nitrous oxide are burned with only 0,07mJ releasing a lot of energy power in that way you don't need extra H2 as written from Patrick alias Iontruster alias Oneminde. See chemical formula above.. Is casually that are created same stechiometric percentages of NH3/N2O from water and nitrogen? Surely not!!
In that way for reach simply the same results of Meyer you need low percentage of HOH, nitrogen molecular and just one UV reactor. For build that you can use UV lamp or UV power led, not difference.
Regards
Alessandro
 
 

Hello Steve,
Sorry for delay of reply bt I'm working hard on water system, from no more days you can see with your eyes... as written in EF Meyer or government  have written wrong nformation inside patents for preserve that "SIMPLE" technology.. My italian friend have see functional water cars from italian government but they ask .. no ready for use now maybe from 20years.. My friend collaborate with me to that project but after see that have stopped all.. I don't know really why.. but explaination is I have lost 2 years and is all ready . Personally I think that governement have old water ca that don't run completely to water or maybe my friend have see meyer car  . In all cases I have continued to working on that project and I have found solution, true solution not dream. And can be ready NOW!! We can't continue to live in an world consumed from wars and pollution. Green energy is need now not from 20 years. For that I have decided to modify an car, transform that to water gas  and present the video  to the world .. Thanks for read me...